Member since 04 Feb 2013
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What's the freight capacity on the 777-8X versus the A350ULR? My understanding was that the ULR loses a lot of its freight capacity, to pick up the increased fuel load in a (largely) unmodified airframe.
Member since 15 Sep 2012
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If Qantas got the Airbus A350, would expect to see 787s shifted to Jetstar and used to serve asian tourist routes. Doubt they would operate both types on long distane routes.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 16 Nov 2016
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A350ULR's 17,960 km range vs 777-8's range of 16,100 km. MEL-JFK 16,696 km; SYD-LHR 17,016 km. With a calculated load plus a slower speed, A350ULR can make both routes work for Qantas. For 777-8, 18 in/45.7 cm in 10 abreast (3-4-3) economy, whereas 18 in/46 cm in 9-abreast (3-3-3) economy for the A350ULR.
Member since 23 Feb 2015
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OT - Aside from the benefit for Perth residents, does anyone know why they didn't make the 787 flights something like Mel-Rome-LHR? From a Melbourne departure perspective, that would have been much better.
Member since 05 May 2016
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QF wanted to be able to say they were doing the first non-stop flights between Australia and London. QF has a competitive advantage stopping in PER whereas stopping in a foreign country wouldn't give them that.
Member since 20 May 2015
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787s are smaller than A350s so its perfectly possible QF will operate both types long distance. We could expect 787-9s to be ex-PER/BNE long-distance, with A350s doing larger longhaul routes ex. SYD and MEL (presuming QF go for A350s in the first place).
Member since 24 Aug 2011
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Freight is a limited issue when considering freight. Heavy freight is rarely that time dependant. ULR is very much a niche market so QF (and other airlines) are more interested in what sort of premium traffic they can attract rather than freight (or Y class for that matter). The freight capacity of the 778 comes with a significant weight penalty in OEW so the trip cost of a 778 will be significantly more than the A359ULR.
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Member since 06 Sep 2012
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One of the advantages of the A359ULR is its ability to reconfigure the fuel tanks. Should airlines like SQ and QF find the ultra-long range routes unprofitable, they are able to quickly reconfigure the tanks to less weight and range, providing more flexibility to serve shorter range markets. The B777-8 will carry a weight penalty, so if it is utilised on short-medium haul routes, airlines will need to pay for its heavy weight.
Member since 02 Dec 2016
Total posts 104
I'm with you on this one. Qantas is showing a preference for less passengers paying higher yield and direct flights from SYD/MEL to JFK/LHR would appeal to those wanting extra comfort and willing to pay extra money. I could see a small first class, perhaps 4 seats, then take those seats out of economy.
Just throwing this out there..... wouldn't it be interesting if VA got the jump on QF and did this instead. And take the opportunity to replace the 330s and 777s at the same time. I know they have their money issues right now, but think about it, it would be a great move and allow VA to replace the 330s and 777s with a single type and reduce their costs.
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