We note that these temporary filings have been removed from the system by Qantas.
Airlines do this sort of thing from time to time to assess flight timings, codeshares and for plenty of other reasons, including basic system testing (Qantas also used to codeshare on this route with SAA, before their authorisation was revoked), so not reason to celebrate yet.
If and when there's any news to report, you can be sure we'll report it with confirmation from Qantas.
interesting though. Perhaps they're considering using the new Perth terminal for JNB flights (it does say arrives T3). A connection at Perth would be slower for SYD pax who currently have a direct flight, but probably faster for pax from MEL or BNE. Although didn't VA have to fly a longer route than a 744 can do?
Maybe SYD-JNB is falling off with the retirement of the next 744.
We'll wait to see if this is a development for real.
I would think ETOPS would cause them problems with the routing.
Although Air Mauritius flies their A330 to Perth. But do they have to comply with CASA's ETOPS 180 limit?
CASA only has ETOPS regulation control over Australian carriers. The A330 has a ETOPS type rating for ETOPS270. The PER-JNB great circle cuts slightly into the ETOPS330 range, but a slightly north track would get it into the 270. Tracking a route about 1-1.5 hours north would be in the 180 range.
The issue VA had with their MEL-JNB attempt was the east coast great circle routes run deep into the ETOPS330 area and need an extra 3 odd hours to track through ETOPS180 areas.
Qantas currently has 7 weekly flight allowances from IASC. There are 14 weekly flights left available for Australian carriers to South Africa. It is possible that QF could cut QF63/64 to 3 weekly and add a PER-JNB "QF65/66" 4 weekly. Wouldn't need to get any more capacity assigned and would allow a 747 retirement.
If and when there's any news to report, you can be sure we'll report it with confirmation from Qantas.
Now that AusBT has sighted internal documents at Qantas detailing these new flights which provides a much more concrete source than information posted elsewhere ont he Internet, we've been able to publish the following story: Qantas set to launch Perth-Johannesburg flights
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chap6595
chap6595
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
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Looks like Perth might be getting some direct flights to Johannesburg in the near future with an A330-200 according to routesonline
Chris C.
Chris C.
Member since 24 Apr 2012
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We note that these temporary filings have been removed from the system by Qantas.
Airlines do this sort of thing from time to time to assess flight timings, codeshares and for plenty of other reasons, including basic system testing (Qantas also used to codeshare on this route with SAA, before their authorisation was revoked), so not reason to celebrate yet.
If and when there's any news to report, you can be sure we'll report it with confirmation from Qantas.
dm12
dm12
Member since 08 Feb 2018
Total posts 200
interesting though. Perhaps they're considering using the new Perth terminal for JNB flights (it does say arrives T3). A connection at Perth would be slower for SYD pax who currently have a direct flight, but probably faster for pax from MEL or BNE. Although didn't VA have to fly a longer route than a 744 can do?
Maybe SYD-JNB is falling off with the retirement of the next 744.
We'll wait to see if this is a development for real.
Grannular
Grannular
Member since 31 Mar 2014
Total posts 272
I would think ETOPS would cause them problems with the routing.
afloskar
afloskar
Member since 10 Aug 2015
Total posts 156
SAA already have flights to JNB from PER so it is not a new flight
mannej
mannej
QF
Member since 21 May 2014
Total posts 176
SA have used their 332 on this run a handful of times over the last couple of months.
Himeno
Himeno
Member since 12 Dec 2012
Total posts 295
CASA only has ETOPS regulation control over Australian carriers.
The A330 has a ETOPS type rating for ETOPS270. The PER-JNB great circle cuts slightly into the ETOPS330 range, but a slightly north track would get it into the 270. Tracking a route about 1-1.5 hours north would be in the 180 range.
The issue VA had with their MEL-JNB attempt was the east coast great circle routes run deep into the ETOPS330 area and need an extra 3 odd hours to track through ETOPS180 areas.
Qantas currently has 7 weekly flight allowances from IASC. There are 14 weekly flights left available for Australian carriers to South Africa.
It is possible that QF could cut QF63/64 to 3 weekly and add a PER-JNB "QF65/66" 4 weekly. Wouldn't need to get any more capacity assigned and would allow a 747 retirement.
Chris C.
Chris C.
Member since 24 Apr 2012
Total posts 1,116
Now that AusBT has sighted internal documents at Qantas detailing these new flights which provides a much more concrete source than information posted elsewhere ont he Internet, we've been able to publish the following story: Qantas set to launch Perth-Johannesburg flights