Qantas Boeing 737 business class toilet 'invasion' by economy passengers

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banana0692

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

Member since 03 Oct 2016

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For those who are saying its just a toilet get over it, you clearly have never paid for business class before and maybe you don't see the benefit or want to pay which is ok. Business class is usually 4-8x more than economy and I push my budget to afford it for the listed benefits. One of the listed benefits is a toilet reserved for business class. If they can't / won't enforce it don't list is as a benefit.


One time that annoyed me a lot, I was actually sleeping and one of the Economy passengers waiting for the toilet bumped me and woke me up. I flew Business class as I needed the rest that day and to be woken up by someone who wasn't even supposed to be there was frustrating.

Sometimes when I've seen Economy passengers coming for the toilet i've told them to go away. Usually it works, but I shouldn't have to be the one to do that.

stoffel

Member since 27 Jul 2017

Total posts 21

A few months ago I flew a Qantas 737 in J from Brisbane to Perth. I was the last to board the (full) business cabin. The overhead bins were completely full - I had to put my bag below the seat in front which reduced the already restricted legroom. At the end of the flight I noticed that despite all the business class passengers having claimed their bags from the overhead lockers, numerous bags remained. Obviously economy class passengers had seen it fit to stow their bags up front before heading down the back. Just recently I took another flight in J and I witnessed first hand a passenger casually stow his bag above row two before walking back to economy.


It got me thinking - another consequence of removing the curtain between cabins is that economy passengers now see fit to stow their bags in the business class overhead bins. Since there is no curtain they can keep watch over their bag and if they needed to get something from it they could walk forward unimpeded.

Nichokiu

Member since 13 Apr 2018

Total posts 25

I solely fly domestic economy. I also always am seated in row 4 as a WP. Even though the business class toilet is WAY closer than the back of economy class toilet, of which the aisle is always clogged with flight attendant carts, I always use the back toilet.


People pay business for a reason. And it does somewhat annoy me when I clamber all the way to the back toilet, only to have people several rows behind me take to the front bathroom.

It's the exact same analogy of all the complaints for non-eligible people using the priority check in lane. Sure it's "just" another check in lane, it's "just" a bathroom, who gives a damn. But this is exactly what is wrong with the thought process of many people of this country.

Have some respect, do the right thing. There are many countries around the world (Japan for example), where people do the right thing, without ever being policed. All comes down to the thought process and respect for fellow man.

GregXL

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 26 May 2014

Total posts 307

Flying QF business to NZ on a 737 soon. I try to avoid the 737, but to Christchurch there was no choice. I am flying business because I will have flown overnight from Perth and therefore I don’t want to be disturbed by economy passengers queuing to use the business toilet. QF need to get their flight attendants to do their jobs and enforce the company’s rules.

JJJJJJJ

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 18 Feb 2017

Total posts 60

It’s a big deal to me if I’ve paid $2200 instead of $300 in economy PER>BNE.

Last editedby Chris C. at Mar 04, 2019, 10:23 AM.

airADL

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 25 Mar 2014

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I know two very big Maori gentlemen that are excellent at letting the correct people in and out!!!

Flyer00

Member since 31 Mar 2014

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Of late on 737 business class flights there has been an increasing number of economy passengers strolling through business class and using the toilet. On my last flight to Adelaide a clearly drunk passenger did this three times, with absolutely no resistance from the crew. I'm not particularly fussed, however perhaps their announcement at the start isn't enough? I've commented before that Virgin Australia with their white rope deters this effectively.

This is very simple; follow the rules. Eco pax to eco toilet (rules do state certain exceptions to this eg. medical emergency, etc).

Last editedby Flyer00 at Mar 03, 2019, 10:36 AM.

jch

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

Member since 15 Nov 2017

Total posts 143

The rope on VA seems very effective I can't remember seeing anyone taking it upon themselves to remove it to go through to the front. Having said that it was good to see the FAs assist an elderly gentleman with walking difficulties through to the front to use the bathroom. Got five 737 J sectors coming up as a part of a DSC run over the June long weekend HBA-DUD which should give a good perspective from the other side of the rope.

Razmataz

Member since 03 Mar 2019

Total posts 1

Australian culture is generally egalitarian in nature and understand some of the responses here.

However, QF could quickly resolve the discontent and grumbling by either delivering on the implied promise or not making the promise at all.

"Rules" are rules and if the crew are ignoring them, that's not really acceptable
Last edited by worldwanderer at Mar 02, 2019, 01.31 PM.

You've got to be joking? Aussies will step on another's head in heartbeat to get ahead. They may help out to provide a life-affirming tonic to the typically self-centered, all about no.1, keeping up with the Joneses routine....

Stanchez47

Etihad - Etihad Guest

Member since 03 Mar 2019

Total posts 1

I normally travel in Economy so I just piss myself in my seat like any Econoscum/JQ passenger should. #satire.


Seriously just use the two economy toilets people!

OCA

Member since 11 Nov 2014

Total posts 3

Just a thought for you all and the airlines....some of us with medical conditions (IBS/Chrones etc) pay for a little more emotional security by paying for a better chance to find a loo (pax v toilets ratio) in business. So economy passengers should respect this fact and airlines should enforce it! When you have these or similar illnesses when you have to go you really have to go! See it's not always about "snobbery" and maybe the airlines should note this on pax info (FF info) so they are aware of it and can help out.

Last editedby OCA at Mar 03, 2019, 04:40 PM.

dddale

Member since 06 Dec 2018

Total posts 25

Flying QF business to NZ on a 737 soon. I try to avoid the 737, but to Christchurch there was no choice. I am flying business because I will have flown overnight from Perth and therefore I don’t want to be disturbed by economy passengers queuing to use the business toilet. QF need to get their flight attendants to do their jobs and enforce the company’s rules.

Greg, if you're flying Perth to Christchurch with a stop in Sydney, then fly direct with Air New Zealand on their 777 or 787. Business class with lie flat seats will be far more comfortable and personal than the Qantas 737 business (with a stop in between). Obviously on bigger jets, business is not disturbed by economy too.

NoAngelNZ

Member since 29 Nov 2018

Total posts 14

Which is why I fly Virgin. No one crosses the white rope!

I don't think I've ever had a flight in VA business and not had someone open the rope to go in. And once one has, then people start to follow. However, when there's been an FA in the business cabin they've always politely told people to go to the back.

Ourmanin

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 08 Jun 2018

Total posts 144

Australian culture is generally egalitarian in nature and understand some of the responses here.

However, QF could quickly resolve the discontent and grumbling by either delivering on the implied promise or not making the promise at all.

"Rules" are rules and if the crew are ignoring them, that's not really acceptable
Last edited by worldwanderer at Mar 02, 2019, 01.31 PM.

Playing devils advocate here as I agree with the basic premis. Rules are rules indeed, can’t imagine one person here has ever complained about Qantas carry on baggage ‘rules’.

Goldmember

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 02 Mar 2019

Total posts 7

Of late on 737 business class flights there has been an increasing number of economy passengers strolling through business class and using the toilet. On my last flight to Adelaide a clearly drunk passenger did this three times, with absolutely no resistance from the crew. I'm not particularly fussed, however perhaps their announcement at the start isn't enough? I've commented before that Virgin Australia with their white rope deters this effectively.

I think Qantas need a social credit scoring system like China. Breach bag rules, frequenting the incorrect latrine, not going into flight mode etc should be marked and offenders are stripped of their status credits, or better yet their status.


The platinum class at the head of economy will head to the back of the plane quick smart. Way more effective than a white rope I think.

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