So, What if Qantas exercised its fifth freedom wrights and whet SYD-JFK-LHR-SYD and obviously in reverse! I think that would be great to see the Red Roo on a trans Atlantic flight as part of project sunrise.
You could even link it up with the PER-LHR flight and it would be a quicker way for west coast people to get to NY than going via SYD
Not sure you would get many takers on JFK-LHR except the Perth crowd as you suggest. Still not enough for a 787. The regulators would also ask why??? and knock it back. See the trouble Norwegian has had to get slots. No way would anybody give Qantas a LHR-JFK slot.
Not to mention the gradual reduction of 5th freedom flights by airlines in general and passing those passengers off to their respective airline and/or alliance partners. NZ's ending LAX-LHR (and passing LHR passengers to UA on their upcoming EWR flights) is one example.
As far as I am aware, Qantas does not have 5th freedom rights between USA and UK. The USA has granted such rights, but the UK has not. The UK has only grated 5th Freedom rights to Australian carriers for flights between Asia and the UK.
Emirates is trying to get more Europe JFK flights as their Milan and Athens flights do well. The National Governments want to protect their home airlines and have said no. Plus the cost of slots.
There are already a number of one stop options for Perth-New York, including Singapore, Hong Kong, Doha and Dubai. Going via Sydney is only for those welded on to Qantas.
Emirates is trying to get more Europe JFK flights as their Milan and Athens flights do well. The National Governments want to protect their home airlines and have said no. Plus the cost of slots.
There's around 16 oneworld flights a day between London and New York, there's no need for QF to enter the competition or to fly JFK-LHR without Fifth Freedom to do a RTW.
Qantas used to operate trans Atlantic flights to London during the late 1960s.
There are up to 31 flights a day between London airports and NY area airports. AA and BA operate a number of those. There is no reason for Qantas to add what would be 1 daily flight at most to that.
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moecat
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So, What if Qantas exercised its fifth freedom wrights and whet SYD-JFK-LHR-SYD and obviously in reverse! I think that would be great to see the Red Roo on a trans Atlantic flight as part of project sunrise.
You could even link it up with the PER-LHR flight and it would be a quicker way for west coast people to get to NY than going via SYD
patrickk
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Not sure you would get many takers on JFK-LHR except the Perth crowd as you suggest. Still not enough for a 787. The regulators would also ask why??? and knock it back. See the trouble Norwegian has had to get slots. No way would anybody give Qantas a LHR-JFK slot.
DanV
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Low Yield and too expensive (extra crews, etc) to operate for QF. Also as previously mentioned by others, lack of slot availability at JFK and LHR.
Simple as that.
Steve987
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This is why oneworld exists
DanV
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Originally Posted by Steve987
This is why oneworld exists
Not to mention the gradual reduction of 5th freedom flights by airlines in general and passing those passengers off to their respective airline and/or alliance partners. NZ's ending LAX-LHR (and passing LHR passengers to UA on their upcoming EWR flights) is one example.
Becky1
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As far as I am aware, Qantas does not have 5th freedom rights between USA and UK. The USA has granted such rights, but the UK has not. The UK has only grated 5th Freedom rights to Australian carriers for flights between Asia and the UK.
paulkaz
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Emirates is trying to get more Europe JFK flights as their Milan and Athens flights do well. The National Governments want to protect their home airlines and have said no. Plus the cost of slots.
GregXL
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There are already a number of one stop options for Perth-New York, including Singapore, Hong Kong, Doha and Dubai. Going via Sydney is only for those welded on to Qantas.
nix584
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Originally Posted by paulkaz
Emirates is trying to get more Europe JFK flights as their Milan and Athens flights do well. The National Governments want to protect their home airlines and have said no. Plus the cost of slots.
And EWR can't accommodate an A380.
nix584
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There's around 16 oneworld flights a day between London and New York, there's no need for QF to enter the competition or to fly JFK-LHR without Fifth Freedom to do a RTW.
Himeno
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Qantas used to operate trans Atlantic flights to London during the late 1960s.
There are up to 31 flights a day between London airports and NY area airports. AA and BA operate a number of those. There is no reason for Qantas to add what would be 1 daily flight at most to that.