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patrickk

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Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Patrickk...I thought you were double boosted so how could you possibly get infected let alone transmit the plague? Or perhaps it might be that something in this experiment has totally failed. Your guess is as good as mine.

GoRobin double boosted keeps me out of hospital it doesn’t mean I’m not really crook home in bed for a week or so, as colleagues attest. So something to be best avoided. I’m about to get some anti virals in case I catch a bad dose while I’m away. Prevention is far better than cure.

Not many people willingly want to get ill. There are many different potential illnesses in the world. Not many are new. I used to catch a coronavirus often when I travelled internationally, well before it became 'popular'!

The thing is, anything an individual wants to do to mitigate their risk is fine, good for them.

But governments, back off, stop telling us what to do with politically motivated mandates.

Richard yes public health is a political issue and as we have seen here in Australia governments rise and fall on availability of hospital beds and yes the common cold is often a coronavirus but these more recent (dare I say new) coronaviruses are quite a nasty bug best avoided if you can. Governments have mandates for all sorts of things and these are usually the result of political debates. This has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years.

patrickk

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Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by blaird

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Xwu....masks simply don't work. So they cannot work more or less in a plane, supermarket or water closet (WC). If the "old ladies" want to wear them in the WC, then they are free to do so.

We must tell the surgeons who wear them in the Operating theatres for years and years they have been wearing them for no reason at all.. Only an anti vaxxer would make such a idiotic comment.

Only a Covidiot would make such an idiotic comment. Surgeons wear them to prevent spittle entering a patient during surgery. Wearing a mask indoors or outdoors in any other setting, when that has never been done before is a sign of mental illness. Let's scrap the muzzle wearing on planes. Europe has already done so, America too. It's high time Australia followed suit.

Besides, Australia was the last major country to impose masking on flights - what's so hard about now ending the mandate?


freqflyer masks are to prevent droplets and aerosols floating around and being breathed in hence the preference for N-95 masks. Not sure wearing masks has never being done before. It is very common in Asia. Deliberately Exposing oneself and others to quite nasty bugs is hardly a great indicator of great mental health. I’ll be wearing my N-95 mask on a flight next week to make sure I don’t spread the bug in case I’m unknowingly infectious or breathing in the bug in case others are unknowingly infectious.

Firstly, outside of Japan (and Hong Kong/Guangdong during bird flu), masks weren't common in Asia prior to Covid-19. There was the occasional person, perhaps 1/1000 people who did wear them, but if you looked hard enough, the same was true in the west (mainly in hospitals, where nurses who didn't want to get the flu shot were mandated to wear a mask instead...in countries ranging from the USA to Australia and the UK).

No one in Asia, where mask wearing is still prevalent (though it depends on the country as some such as Myanmar and Cambodia have effectively stopped wearing them...in Myanmar this is despite the mandate still being in effect) wears an N95 mask. They wear cloth masks that allow you to breathe better but are simply ineffective.

Aircraft have highly effective air filtration systems hence why mask wearing really isn't necessary.

Sounds like all those shots you received have only made you more scared and paranoid, but aren't protecting you.


as I said those shots keep me out of hospital which to me at least is a plus and a N-95 mask protects me, and so keeps from being scared or paranoid. I know many (I would say) foolish people don’t agree with either vaccine or mask mandates, let alone using them together.

TheFreqFlyer

Member since 05 Oct 2017

Total posts 86

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by blaird

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Xwu....masks simply don't work. So they cannot work more or less in a plane, supermarket or water closet (WC). If the "old ladies" want to wear them in the WC, then they are free to do so.

We must tell the surgeons who wear them in the Operating theatres for years and years they have been wearing them for no reason at all.. Only an anti vaxxer would make such a idiotic comment.

Only a Covidiot would make such an idiotic comment. Surgeons wear them to prevent spittle entering a patient during surgery. Wearing a mask indoors or outdoors in any other setting, when that has never been done before is a sign of mental illness. Let's scrap the muzzle wearing on planes. Europe has already done so, America too. It's high time Australia followed suit.

Besides, Australia was the last major country to impose masking on flights - what's so hard about now ending the mandate?


freqflyer masks are to prevent droplets and aerosols floating around and being breathed in hence the preference for N-95 masks. Not sure wearing masks has never being done before. It is very common in Asia. Deliberately Exposing oneself and others to quite nasty bugs is hardly a great indicator of great mental health. I’ll be wearing my N-95 mask on a flight next week to make sure I don’t spread the bug in case I’m unknowingly infectious or breathing in the bug in case others are unknowingly infectious.

Firstly, outside of Japan (and Hong Kong/Guangdong during bird flu), masks weren't common in Asia prior to Covid-19. There was the occasional person, perhaps 1/1000 people who did wear them, but if you looked hard enough, the same was true in the west (mainly in hospitals, where nurses who didn't want to get the flu shot were mandated to wear a mask instead...in countries ranging from the USA to Australia and the UK).

No one in Asia, where mask wearing is still prevalent (though it depends on the country as some such as Myanmar and Cambodia have effectively stopped wearing them...in Myanmar this is despite the mandate still being in effect) wears an N95 mask. They wear cloth masks that allow you to breathe better but are simply ineffective.

Aircraft have highly effective air filtration systems hence why mask wearing really isn't necessary.

Sounds like all those shots you received have only made you more scared and paranoid, but aren't protecting you.


as I said those shots keep me out of hospital which to me at least is a plus and a N-95 mask protects me, and so keeps from being scared or paranoid. I know many (I would say) foolish people don’t agree with either vaccine or mask mandates, let alone using them together.

It sure sounds like wearing an N95 mask is making you both scared and paranoid. Most people, including myself just want to return to normal life. Most of Europe already has, the USA has internally (unfortunately they still have that pesky vaccine mandate for foreigners, but did just scrap the testing requirement to enter the country) and parts of the Middle East are the same. Vietnam is getting there, while Thailand could be next, but Asian countries like these will probably still be mandating masks for another couple of months, especially at airports and on board aircraft.

You can continue wearing your mask if it makes you feel safe, but the idea of wearing an oxygen restriction device in an environment, which already has lower levels of oxygen than at sea level (15% compared with 21%), seeing that the pressure inside an aircraft cabin is equivalent to around 6000-8000 ft or roughly 1800-2400 m, makes for a very uncomfortable experience. This is especially true if you wear an N95 mask, which already gives me headaches wearing it for 5 minutes when I'm using power tools.


patrickk

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Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by blaird

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Xwu....masks simply don't work. So they cannot work more or less in a plane, supermarket or water closet (WC). If the "old ladies" want to wear them in the WC, then they are free to do so.

We must tell the surgeons who wear them in the Operating theatres for years and years they have been wearing them for no reason at all.. Only an anti vaxxer would make such a idiotic comment.

Only a Covidiot would make such an idiotic comment. Surgeons wear them to prevent spittle entering a patient during surgery. Wearing a mask indoors or outdoors in any other setting, when that has never been done before is a sign of mental illness. Let's scrap the muzzle wearing on planes. Europe has already done so, America too. It's high time Australia followed suit.

Besides, Australia was the last major country to impose masking on flights - what's so hard about now ending the mandate?


freqflyer masks are to prevent droplets and aerosols floating around and being breathed in hence the preference for N-95 masks. Not sure wearing masks has never being done before. It is very common in Asia. Deliberately Exposing oneself and others to quite nasty bugs is hardly a great indicator of great mental health. I’ll be wearing my N-95 mask on a flight next week to make sure I don’t spread the bug in case I’m unknowingly infectious or breathing in the bug in case others are unknowingly infectious.

Firstly, outside of Japan (and Hong Kong/Guangdong during bird flu), masks weren't common in Asia prior to Covid-19. There was the occasional person, perhaps 1/1000 people who did wear them, but if you looked hard enough, the same was true in the west (mainly in hospitals, where nurses who didn't want to get the flu shot were mandated to wear a mask instead...in countries ranging from the USA to Australia and the UK).

No one in Asia, where mask wearing is still prevalent (though it depends on the country as some such as Myanmar and Cambodia have effectively stopped wearing them...in Myanmar this is despite the mandate still being in effect) wears an N95 mask. They wear cloth masks that allow you to breathe better but are simply ineffective.

Aircraft have highly effective air filtration systems hence why mask wearing really isn't necessary.

Sounds like all those shots you received have only made you more scared and paranoid, but aren't protecting you.


as I said those shots keep me out of hospital which to me at least is a plus and a N-95 mask protects me, and so keeps from being scared or paranoid. I know many (I would say) foolish people don’t agree with either vaccine or mask mandates, let alone using them together.

It sure sounds like wearing an N95 mask is making you both scared and paranoid. Most people, including myself just want to return to normal life. Most of Europe already has, the USA has internally (unfortunately they still have that pesky vaccine mandate for foreigners, but did just scrap the testing requirement to enter the country) and parts of the Middle East are the same. Vietnam is getting there, while Thailand could be next, but Asian countries like these will probably still be mandating masks for another couple of months, especially at airports and on board aircraft.

You can continue wearing your mask if it makes you feel safe, but the idea of wearing an oxygen restriction device in an environment, which already has lower levels of oxygen than at sea level (15% compared with 21%), seeing that the pressure inside an aircraft cabin is equivalent to around 6000-8000 ft or roughly 1800-2400 m, makes for a very uncomfortable experience. This is especially true if you wear an N95 mask, which already gives me headaches wearing it for 5 minutes when I'm using power tools.


freq the meetings I’m going to in the US require masks, so not quite as open as you suggest. No big deal and I certainly prefer to feel safe than sorry (not quite scared and paranoid). The incidence of COVID among work colleagues (being laid up for a week or more), plus the incidence of long Covid out there. Both best avoided, without fear or paranoia.


GoRobin

Member since 07 May 2020

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Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by blaird

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Xwu....masks simply don't work. So they cannot work more or less in a plane, supermarket or water closet (WC). If the "old ladies" want to wear them in the WC, then they are free to do so.

We must tell the surgeons who wear them in the Operating theatres for years and years they have been wearing them for no reason at all.. Only an anti vaxxer would make such a idiotic comment.

Only a Covidiot would make such an idiotic comment. Surgeons wear them to prevent spittle entering a patient during surgery. Wearing a mask indoors or outdoors in any other setting, when that has never been done before is a sign of mental illness. Let's scrap the muzzle wearing on planes. Europe has already done so, America too. It's high time Australia followed suit.

Besides, Australia was the last major country to impose masking on flights - what's so hard about now ending the mandate?


freqflyer masks are to prevent droplets and aerosols floating around and being breathed in hence the preference for N-95 masks. Not sure wearing masks has never being done before. It is very common in Asia. Deliberately Exposing oneself and others to quite nasty bugs is hardly a great indicator of great mental health. I'll be wearing my N-95 mask on a flight next week to make sure I don't spread the bug in case I'm unknowingly infectious or breathing in the bug in case others are unknowingly infectious.

Firstly, outside of Japan (and Hong Kong/Guangdong during bird flu), masks weren't common in Asia prior to Covid-19. There was the occasional person, perhaps 1/1000 people who did wear them, but if you looked hard enough, the same was true in the west (mainly in hospitals, where nurses who didn't want to get the flu shot were mandated to wear a mask instead...in countries ranging from the USA to Australia and the UK).

No one in Asia, where mask wearing is still prevalent (though it depends on the country as some such as Myanmar and Cambodia have effectively stopped wearing them...in Myanmar this is despite the mandate still being in effect) wears an N95 mask. They wear cloth masks that allow you to breathe better but are simply ineffective.

Aircraft have highly effective air filtration systems hence why mask wearing really isn't necessary.

Sounds like all those shots you received have only made you more scared and paranoid, but aren't protecting you.


as I said those shots keep me out of hospital which to me at least is a plus and a N-95 mask protects me, and so keeps from being scared or paranoid. I know many (I would say) foolish people don't agree with either vaccine or mask mandates, let alone using them together.

It sure sounds like wearing an N95 mask is making you both scared and paranoid. Most people, including myself just want to return to normal life. Most of Europe already has, the USA has internally (unfortunately they still have that pesky vaccine mandate for foreigners, but did just scrap the testing requirement to enter the country) and parts of the Middle East are the same. Vietnam is getting there, while Thailand could be next, but Asian countries like these will probably still be mandating masks for another couple of months, especially at airports and on board aircraft.

You can continue wearing your mask if it makes you feel safe, but the idea of wearing an oxygen restriction device in an environment, which already has lower levels of oxygen than at sea level (15% compared with 21%), seeing that the pressure inside an aircraft cabin is equivalent to around 6000-8000 ft or roughly 1800-2400 m, makes for a very uncomfortable experience. This is especially true if you wear an N95 mask, which already gives me headaches wearing it for 5 minutes when I'm using power tools.


freq the meetings I'm going to in the US require masks, so not quite as open as you suggest. No big deal and I certainly prefer to feel safe than sorry (not quite scared and paranoid). The incidence of COVID among work colleagues (being laid up for a week or more), plus the incidence of long Covid out there. Both best avoided, without fear or paranoia.


12 months ago the various Australian State governments were mandating masks in most situations. At that time only about 1 person was dying from covid every day. So you would have to assume that these very State governments had great faith in masks working. Now, 12 months later, there are 40 to 45 people dying every day from covid and masks have more or less been abandoned. Why? Because they simply don't work. If they did, and these State Governments still had faith in masks, surely they would be mandating them even more so now given that so many, mostly vaccinated people, are dying every day from covid. I suggest that the State governments know well that masks do not work.


Last editedby GoRobin at Jun 14, 2022, 05:28 AM.

TheFreqFlyer

Member since 05 Oct 2017

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Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by blaird

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Xwu....masks simply don't work. So they cannot work more or less in a plane, supermarket or water closet (WC). If the "old ladies" want to wear them in the WC, then they are free to do so.

We must tell the surgeons who wear them in the Operating theatres for years and years they have been wearing them for no reason at all.. Only an anti vaxxer would make such a idiotic comment.

Only a Covidiot would make such an idiotic comment. Surgeons wear them to prevent spittle entering a patient during surgery. Wearing a mask indoors or outdoors in any other setting, when that has never been done before is a sign of mental illness. Let's scrap the muzzle wearing on planes. Europe has already done so, America too. It's high time Australia followed suit.

Besides, Australia was the last major country to impose masking on flights - what's so hard about now ending the mandate?


freqflyer masks are to prevent droplets and aerosols floating around and being breathed in hence the preference for N-95 masks. Not sure wearing masks has never being done before. It is very common in Asia. Deliberately Exposing oneself and others to quite nasty bugs is hardly a great indicator of great mental health. I’ll be wearing my N-95 mask on a flight next week to make sure I don’t spread the bug in case I’m unknowingly infectious or breathing in the bug in case others are unknowingly infectious.

Firstly, outside of Japan (and Hong Kong/Guangdong during bird flu), masks weren't common in Asia prior to Covid-19. There was the occasional person, perhaps 1/1000 people who did wear them, but if you looked hard enough, the same was true in the west (mainly in hospitals, where nurses who didn't want to get the flu shot were mandated to wear a mask instead...in countries ranging from the USA to Australia and the UK).

No one in Asia, where mask wearing is still prevalent (though it depends on the country as some such as Myanmar and Cambodia have effectively stopped wearing them...in Myanmar this is despite the mandate still being in effect) wears an N95 mask. They wear cloth masks that allow you to breathe better but are simply ineffective.

Aircraft have highly effective air filtration systems hence why mask wearing really isn't necessary.

Sounds like all those shots you received have only made you more scared and paranoid, but aren't protecting you.


as I said those shots keep me out of hospital which to me at least is a plus and a N-95 mask protects me, and so keeps from being scared or paranoid. I know many (I would say) foolish people don’t agree with either vaccine or mask mandates, let alone using them together.

It sure sounds like wearing an N95 mask is making you both scared and paranoid. Most people, including myself just want to return to normal life. Most of Europe already has, the USA has internally (unfortunately they still have that pesky vaccine mandate for foreigners, but did just scrap the testing requirement to enter the country) and parts of the Middle East are the same. Vietnam is getting there, while Thailand could be next, but Asian countries like these will probably still be mandating masks for another couple of months, especially at airports and on board aircraft.

You can continue wearing your mask if it makes you feel safe, but the idea of wearing an oxygen restriction device in an environment, which already has lower levels of oxygen than at sea level (15% compared with 21%), seeing that the pressure inside an aircraft cabin is equivalent to around 6000-8000 ft or roughly 1800-2400 m, makes for a very uncomfortable experience. This is especially true if you wear an N95 mask, which already gives me headaches wearing it for 5 minutes when I'm using power tools.


freq the meetings I’m going to in the US require masks, so not quite as open as you suggest. No big deal and I certainly prefer to feel safe than sorry (not quite scared and paranoid). The incidence of COVID among work colleagues (being laid up for a week or more), plus the incidence of long Covid out there. Both best avoided, without fear or paranoia.


Those must be the only meetings in the entire United States where masks are still mandated.

I can't imagine that there is any legislative mandate that applies, so either it's a meeting of "hypochondriacs anonymous", "mask lovers", "Covid cultists" or some strange organization that still clings to such a policy. You'll have to tell me which one, because your average American doesn't wear (or need to wear) a mask in almost any setting anymore.

While there has been a re-instatement (or lack of abandonment) of mask mandates in very limited settings in specific localities such as New York City, which apparently still mandates masks are worn at the airport (even if no longer required on board the plane) and San Francisco/Los Angeles, which have re-imposed mask mandates on some of their urban public transport networks (such as BART in San Fran) and Philadelphia anywhere indoors (would have to check if that still applies), the USA is now essentially mask-free and has been for around 2 months now.

Your very action of wearing a mask implies you are living in fear and paranoia and that the mask makes you feel safe.


GoRobin

Member since 07 May 2020

Total posts 110

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by blaird

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Xwu....masks simply don't work. So they cannot work more or less in a plane, supermarket or water closet (WC). If the "old ladies" want to wear them in the WC, then they are free to do so.

We must tell the surgeons who wear them in the Operating theatres for years and years they have been wearing them for no reason at all.. Only an anti vaxxer would make such a idiotic comment.

Only a Covidiot would make such an idiotic comment. Surgeons wear them to prevent spittle entering a patient during surgery. Wearing a mask indoors or outdoors in any other setting, when that has never been done before is a sign of mental illness. Let's scrap the muzzle wearing on planes. Europe has already done so, America too. It's high time Australia followed suit.

Besides, Australia was the last major country to impose masking on flights - what's so hard about now ending the mandate?


freqflyer masks are to prevent droplets and aerosols floating around and being breathed in hence the preference for N-95 masks. Not sure wearing masks has never being done before. It is very common in Asia. Deliberately Exposing oneself and others to quite nasty bugs is hardly a great indicator of great mental health. I’ll be wearing my N-95 mask on a flight next week to make sure I don’t spread the bug in case I’m unknowingly infectious or breathing in the bug in case others are unknowingly infectious.

Firstly, outside of Japan (and Hong Kong/Guangdong during bird flu), masks weren't common in Asia prior to Covid-19. There was the occasional person, perhaps 1/1000 people who did wear them, but if you looked hard enough, the same was true in the west (mainly in hospitals, where nurses who didn't want to get the flu shot were mandated to wear a mask instead...in countries ranging from the USA to Australia and the UK).

No one in Asia, where mask wearing is still prevalent (though it depends on the country as some such as Myanmar and Cambodia have effectively stopped wearing them...in Myanmar this is despite the mandate still being in effect) wears an N95 mask. They wear cloth masks that allow you to breathe better but are simply ineffective.

Aircraft have highly effective air filtration systems hence why mask wearing really isn't necessary.

Sounds like all those shots you received have only made you more scared and paranoid, but aren't protecting you.


as I said those shots keep me out of hospital which to me at least is a plus and a N-95 mask protects me, and so keeps from being scared or paranoid. I know many (I would say) foolish people don’t agree with either vaccine or mask mandates, let alone using them together.

It sure sounds like wearing an N95 mask is making you both scared and paranoid. Most people, including myself just want to return to normal life. Most of Europe already has, the USA has internally (unfortunately they still have that pesky vaccine mandate for foreigners, but did just scrap the testing requirement to enter the country) and parts of the Middle East are the same. Vietnam is getting there, while Thailand could be next, but Asian countries like these will probably still be mandating masks for another couple of months, especially at airports and on board aircraft.

You can continue wearing your mask if it makes you feel safe, but the idea of wearing an oxygen restriction device in an environment, which already has lower levels of oxygen than at sea level (15% compared with 21%), seeing that the pressure inside an aircraft cabin is equivalent to around 6000-8000 ft or roughly 1800-2400 m, makes for a very uncomfortable experience. This is especially true if you wear an N95 mask, which already gives me headaches wearing it for 5 minutes when I'm using power tools.


freq the meetings I’m going to in the US require masks, so not quite as open as you suggest. No big deal and I certainly prefer to feel safe than sorry (not quite scared and paranoid). The incidence of COVID among work colleagues (being laid up for a week or more), plus the incidence of long Covid out there. Both best avoided, without fear or paranoia.


Those must be the only meetings in the entire United States where masks are still mandated.

I can't imagine that there is any legislative mandate that applies, so either it's a meeting of "hypochondriacs anonymous", "mask lovers", "Covid cultists" or some strange organization that still clings to such a policy. You'll have to tell me which one, because your average American doesn't wear (or need to wear) a mask in almost any setting anymore.

While there has been a re-instatement (or lack of abandonment) of mask mandates in very limited settings in specific localities such as New York City, which apparently still mandates masks are worn at the airport (even if no longer required on board the plane) and San Francisco/Los Angeles, which have re-imposed mask mandates on some of their urban public transport networks (such as BART in San Fran) and Philadelphia anywhere indoors (would have to check if that still applies), the USA is now essentially mask-free and has been for around 2 months now.

Your very action of wearing a mask implies you are living in fear and paranoia and that the mask makes you feel safe.


All things covid are like a religion. If you have the faith, then proof is irrelevant.

Rod H

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GoRobin.

That's the most sensible statement of all in this discussion.

Nothing more needs to be said, well quoted!!!!

stmaus

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Originally Posted by mspcooper

I agree, it may be onerous, but the number of people coughing around on my recent JNB flight, i was thanking that everyone was wearing them. Double protection!

Have you ever stopped to think why mask-wearers are coughing? Could it be because of the masks capturing bacteria and breeding them in the moist environment of a mask? (We know masks do stuff-all to stop viruses, given they are a tiny fraction of the size of the holes in masks.)

patrickk

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Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer

Originally Posted by blaird

Originally Posted by GoRobin

Xwu....masks simply don't work. So they cannot work more or less in a plane, supermarket or water closet (WC). If the "old ladies" want to wear them in the WC, then they are free to do so.

We must tell the surgeons who wear them in the Operating theatres for years and years they have been wearing them for no reason at all.. Only an anti vaxxer would make such a idiotic comment.

Only a Covidiot would make such an idiotic comment. Surgeons wear them to prevent spittle entering a patient during surgery. Wearing a mask indoors or outdoors in any other setting, when that has never been done before is a sign of mental illness. Let's scrap the muzzle wearing on planes. Europe has already done so, America too. It's high time Australia followed suit.

Besides, Australia was the last major country to impose masking on flights - what's so hard about now ending the mandate?


freqflyer masks are to prevent droplets and aerosols floating around and being breathed in hence the preference for N-95 masks. Not sure wearing masks has never being done before. It is very common in Asia. Deliberately Exposing oneself and others to quite nasty bugs is hardly a great indicator of great mental health. I’ll be wearing my N-95 mask on a flight next week to make sure I don’t spread the bug in case I’m unknowingly infectious or breathing in the bug in case others are unknowingly infectious.

Firstly, outside of Japan (and Hong Kong/Guangdong during bird flu), masks weren't common in Asia prior to Covid-19. There was the occasional person, perhaps 1/1000 people who did wear them, but if you looked hard enough, the same was true in the west (mainly in hospitals, where nurses who didn't want to get the flu shot were mandated to wear a mask instead...in countries ranging from the USA to Australia and the UK).

No one in Asia, where mask wearing is still prevalent (though it depends on the country as some such as Myanmar and Cambodia have effectively stopped wearing them...in Myanmar this is despite the mandate still being in effect) wears an N95 mask. They wear cloth masks that allow you to breathe better but are simply ineffective.

Aircraft have highly effective air filtration systems hence why mask wearing really isn't necessary.

Sounds like all those shots you received have only made you more scared and paranoid, but aren't protecting you.


as I said those shots keep me out of hospital which to me at least is a plus and a N-95 mask protects me, and so keeps from being scared or paranoid. I know many (I would say) foolish people don’t agree with either vaccine or mask mandates, let alone using them together.

It sure sounds like wearing an N95 mask is making you both scared and paranoid. Most people, including myself just want to return to normal life. Most of Europe already has, the USA has internally (unfortunately they still have that pesky vaccine mandate for foreigners, but did just scrap the testing requirement to enter the country) and parts of the Middle East are the same. Vietnam is getting there, while Thailand could be next, but Asian countries like these will probably still be mandating masks for another couple of months, especially at airports and on board aircraft.

You can continue wearing your mask if it makes you feel safe, but the idea of wearing an oxygen restriction device in an environment, which already has lower levels of oxygen than at sea level (15% compared with 21%), seeing that the pressure inside an aircraft cabin is equivalent to around 6000-8000 ft or roughly 1800-2400 m, makes for a very uncomfortable experience. This is especially true if you wear an N95 mask, which already gives me headaches wearing it for 5 minutes when I'm using power tools.


freq the meetings I’m going to in the US require masks, so not quite as open as you suggest. No big deal and I certainly prefer to feel safe than sorry (not quite scared and paranoid). The incidence of COVID among work colleagues (being laid up for a week or more), plus the incidence of long Covid out there. Both best avoided, without fear or paranoia.


Those must be the only meetings in the entire United States where masks are still mandated.

I can't imagine that there is any legislative mandate that applies, so either it's a meeting of "hypochondriacs anonymous", "mask lovers", "Covid cultists" or some strange organization that still clings to such a policy. You'll have to tell me which one, because your average American doesn't wear (or need to wear) a mask in almost any setting anymore.

While there has been a re-instatement (or lack of abandonment) of mask mandates in very limited settings in specific localities such as New York City, which apparently still mandates masks are worn at the airport (even if no longer required on board the plane) and San Francisco/Los Angeles, which have re-imposed mask mandates on some of their urban public transport networks (such as BART in San Fran) and Philadelphia anywhere indoors (would have to check if that still applies), the USA is now essentially mask-free and has been for around 2 months now.

Your very action of wearing a mask implies you are living in fear and paranoia and that the mask makes you feel safe.



Freq, the research is there surgical masks around 60% effective and N-95s 85% effective, so a bit better than ‘feel safe’. My choices are driven by evidence rather than fear OR paranoia. As someone famous said a while back ‘when the evidence is there I change my mind, what do you do??’

stmaus

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That "research" was flawed and based on people in California reporting their mask wearing or otherwise, with a tiny sample size and massive confidence interval range. The best study has been the Danish one, which showed no benefit to wearing masks.

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