Heard from a friend quite senior in QF that next week they will announce a massive loss, no surprise there, but the big surprise is the downsizing of the International divisions, JNB to go, code share with EK over DXB, LHR gone flights, to terminate DXB, code share with EK - UK/Euro. JFK gone codes share with AA, SCL gone code share with LA. A380 services BNE/LAX.
All 747’s gone by the end of 2015. Longer term plan is to withdraw from DXB.
Jet star to be beefed up with services to SIN/HKG, even though they operate to MEL/SIN, these flights have been reduced from daily to 5 a week and loads very poor and AKL/SIN cancelled.
Very sad day QF needs a new management team. Anyone else heard this news/rumours?
Austline: plenty of rumours swirling around, as there always are before the Qantas financials these days. Loss is already predicted at $1 billion (see http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-virgin-australia-head-for-billion-dollar-blowout), rumours of route cuts and JQ swaps abound but until Qantas reveals all next Thursday these remain rumours, nothing confirmed, so can I just suggest to readers here not to treat rumours as anything more than speculation. We'll know the full story soon enough.
It is sad indeed, but IMHO replacing management will fix nothing. Qantas was doomed as great company when it was privatized. Last nail in the coffin was deregulation. Now we facing how Qantas corpse decomposing. Really sad story – sooner rather then later we will replace our former best of the best with made in china. Like everything else.
I think you're trolling here, Austline. You happen to have a friend who is 'very senior' in Qantas, who is privy to all the network changes that Alan Joyce will announce next week and who shares them with you to in turn post onto a public website? Airlines go into a 'quiet mode' before financials like this for a reason, they don't just let senior executives spill the beans to their mates. Sounds to me like you're just tring to stir up rumours for no good reason. If everything you say turns out to come true next week then I will apologise but I doubt it.
Well done Al,it appears you are the troll..dont like facts that may soon hit you in the face.May be comment next week.Augustine,s delivers news you do not wish to here...just wait to they report next week.
Just focus on they fact you can get 80000 AA FF points for a US$500 plus discount..right now..aprox US$1600 and just 72000 points gets you p class one way US/AUST.. looked recently and p showing early new year and may thru July.Just remember your yearly points limit and or set up an account for a family member and tranfer them back.
Except this is NOT 'news' Robert, it's just idle rumour and as we can see now from today's QF announcements some of this rumour has already been shot down, which should make amny sensible person doubt the 'truth' of the rest of Austline's claims.
As I have said, come next Thursday if I am proven wrong and all that Austline says proves to be true then I will be back with an apology but for now I think it's very very wise to take this as idle speculation, trolling until proven otherwise.
BNE/LAX to streamline US operations,more than enough loads and no requirement for... to go 747,s and no more JFK..just wait to after the annual report.
I find this hard to believe- ceasing Jo'burg and South America? Surely QF would have at least downscaled flights before cancelling them altogether- JNB is daily and SCL just got upgauged to an extra flight p/w. Moreover, QF are able to make JFK viable due to the cargo they carry in the belly. I could understand the faster 747 retirement but still fairly unlikely. This is all just to say the least!
I'm with the others- if you're correct my apologies but not much here seems expectable.
JNB going has be discussed for a while and would not surprise me. Certainly filling a daily 747 without SA code cant be easy. But perhaps a reduction in frequency is something to look at first. JQ to SIN has generally struggled and only fools would increase capacity to SIN at the moment. Dont see LHR going as QF has gone through the trouble of the QF9 retime. SCL is essentially a monoply and increased codeshares have just been announced. JFK going is possible, but wont save QF a plane. Whilst a BNE LAX A380 service would be nice, I fail to see where the planes are coming from to fly that route.
This is all guesswork. IMHO the real ssue is, that whilst QF Int struggles, it is QF domestic that is causing headaches now. There needs to be reduction of capacity pronto.
- JNB, I could see being cut to less than daily during the low season now that the partnership with South African is gone. Perhaps 4-5 weekly during the winter, with extra flights during the summer.
- Why go to the effort of retiming MEL-LHR (which presumably involved some slot negotiations) if they're going to cut it a couple of months later? They would be stupid not to wait and see how the new timings work out before making any futher moves there.
- JFK is difficult to call. On the one hand, AA's new transcon product is very good, but on the other those LAX-JFK flights help QF compete with alternative routings over Asia (which are also a single stop and don't take all that much longer if you only have a 1-2 hour connection). Ultimately, I don't see any reason why it would be cut now having survived the bigger cuts in recent years.
- SCL is getting extra flights over the summer and is a successful route. Would be shocked to see it go.
- A380s on BNE-LAX make no sense given that VA is adding capacity to that market, and QF themselves only flew 6 days a week until last year. Extra A380s on SYD-LAX (or even the retention of SYD-HKG) would come before BNE-LAX.
- More JQ to SIN/HKG doesn't make sense, because of the poor performance of MEL-SIN that you highlighted. The only QF to JQ transition I could see occurring is SYD-BKK, with EK being offered as the premium option on that route. HKG doesn't make any sense at all until JQHK is up and running.
This year's massive loss is largely just a delayed reaction to events of the last few years. Making large numbers of people redundent is an expensive exercise for any company, which has probably been a major factor in the larger loss this year compared to last year.
It is concerning though. I don't personally have much faith left in current management, but I can appreciate the difficult situation that they find themselves in.
An A380 out of BNE/LAX is long over due.Your statement makes no sence as it is far more difficult getting on QF15 than QF 11/107.No person from Perth/brisbane/northern Australia wants to travel thru Sydney to get to LAX..The reason BNE flights are allways full.Further more put an A380 the BNE/LAX sector and first class and may be the other half of Australia and i can be served.Cut VA down as obviously, they cutting flights MEL/LAX and moving them to BNE they see greater profits.
Austline
Austline
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Heard from a friend quite senior in QF that next week they will announce a massive loss, no surprise there, but the big surprise is the downsizing of the International divisions, JNB to go, code share with EK over DXB, LHR gone flights, to terminate DXB, code share with EK - UK/Euro. JFK gone codes share with AA, SCL gone code share with LA. A380 services BNE/LAX.
All 747’s gone by the end of 2015. Longer term plan is to withdraw from DXB.
Jet star to be beefed up with services to SIN/HKG, even though they operate to MEL/SIN, these flights have been reduced from daily to 5 a week and loads very poor and AKL/SIN cancelled.
Very sad day QF needs a new management team. Anyone else heard this news/rumours?
David
David
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Austline: plenty of rumours swirling around, as there always are before the Qantas financials these days. Loss is already predicted at $1 billion (see http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-virgin-australia-head-for-billion-dollar-blowout), rumours of route cuts and JQ swaps abound but until Qantas reveals all next Thursday these remain rumours, nothing confirmed, so can I just suggest to readers here not to treat rumours as anything more than speculation. We'll know the full story soon enough.
Serg
Serg
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It is sad indeed, but IMHO replacing management will fix nothing. Qantas was doomed as great company when it was privatized. Last nail in the coffin was deregulation. Now we facing how Qantas corpse decomposing. Really sad story – sooner rather then later we will replace our former best of the best with made in china. Like everything else.
AlG
AlG
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I think you're trolling here, Austline. You happen to have a friend who is 'very senior' in Qantas, who is privy to all the network changes that Alan Joyce will announce next week and who shares them with you to in turn post onto a public website? Airlines go into a 'quiet mode' before financials like this for a reason, they don't just let senior executives spill the beans to their mates. Sounds to me like you're just tring to stir up rumours for no good reason. If everything you say turns out to come true next week then I will apologise but I doubt it.
reno
reno
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Well done Al,it appears you are the troll..dont like facts that may soon hit you in the face.May be comment next week.Augustine,s delivers news you do not wish to here...just wait to they report next week.
TheRealBabushka
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OMG! Are you our long lost Robert re-incarnated?
Blessed be!
reno
reno
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Just focus on they fact you can get 80000 AA FF points for a US$500 plus discount..right now..aprox US$1600 and just 72000 points gets you p class one way US/AUST.. looked recently and p showing early new year and may thru July.Just remember your yearly points limit and or set up an account for a family member and tranfer them back.
AlG
AlG
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Except this is NOT 'news' Robert, it's just idle rumour and as we can see now from today's QF announcements some of this rumour has already been shot down, which should make amny sensible person doubt the 'truth' of the rest of Austline's claims.
As I have said, come next Thursday if I am proven wrong and all that Austline says proves to be true then I will be back with an apology but for now I think it's very very wise to take this as idle speculation, trolling until proven otherwise.
reno
reno
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Augustine,
The rumours are not only news but have been out ther for some six weeks.It is sad and i hope QF INT can get thru it.
djcz
djcz
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A380 BNE -> LAX???? or SYD -> LAX?
reno
reno
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BNE/LAX to streamline US operations,more than enough loads and no requirement for... to go 747,s and no more JFK..just wait to after the annual report.
FrequentFlyer
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I find this hard to believe- ceasing Jo'burg and South America? Surely QF would have at least downscaled flights before cancelling them altogether- JNB is daily and SCL just got upgauged to an extra flight p/w. Moreover, QF are able to make JFK viable due to the cargo they carry in the belly. I could understand the faster 747 retirement but still fairly unlikely. This is all just to say the least!
I'm with the others- if you're correct my apologies but not much here seems expectable.
hutch
hutch
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JNB going has be discussed for a while and would not surprise me. Certainly filling a daily 747 without SA code cant be easy. But perhaps a reduction in frequency is something to look at first. JQ to SIN has generally struggled and only fools would increase capacity to SIN at the moment. Dont see LHR going as QF has gone through the trouble of the QF9 retime. SCL is essentially a monoply and increased codeshares have just been announced. JFK going is possible, but wont save QF a plane. Whilst a BNE LAX A380 service would be nice, I fail to see where the planes are coming from to fly that route.
This is all guesswork. IMHO the real ssue is, that whilst QF Int struggles, it is QF domestic that is causing headaches now. There needs to be reduction of capacity pronto.
We'll see next week of course.
am
am
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- JNB, I could see being cut to less than daily during the low season now that the partnership with South African is gone. Perhaps 4-5 weekly during the winter, with extra flights during the summer.
- Why go to the effort of retiming MEL-LHR (which presumably involved some slot negotiations) if they're going to cut it a couple of months later? They would be stupid not to wait and see how the new timings work out before making any futher moves there.
- JFK is difficult to call. On the one hand, AA's new transcon product is very good, but on the other those LAX-JFK flights help QF compete with alternative routings over Asia (which are also a single stop and don't take all that much longer if you only have a 1-2 hour connection). Ultimately, I don't see any reason why it would be cut now having survived the bigger cuts in recent years.
- SCL is getting extra flights over the summer and is a successful route. Would be shocked to see it go.
- A380s on BNE-LAX make no sense given that VA is adding capacity to that market, and QF themselves only flew 6 days a week until last year. Extra A380s on SYD-LAX (or even the retention of SYD-HKG) would come before BNE-LAX.
- More JQ to SIN/HKG doesn't make sense, because of the poor performance of MEL-SIN that you highlighted. The only QF to JQ transition I could see occurring is SYD-BKK, with EK being offered as the premium option on that route. HKG doesn't make any sense at all until JQHK is up and running.
This year's massive loss is largely just a delayed reaction to events of the last few years. Making large numbers of people redundent is an expensive exercise for any company, which has probably been a major factor in the larger loss this year compared to last year.
It is concerning though. I don't personally have much faith left in current management, but I can appreciate the difficult situation that they find themselves in.
reno
reno
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Am,
An A380 out of BNE/LAX is long over due.Your statement makes no sence as it is far more difficult getting on QF15 than QF 11/107.No person from Perth/brisbane/northern Australia wants to travel thru Sydney to get to LAX..The reason BNE flights are allways full.Further more put an A380 the BNE/LAX sector and first class and may be the other half of Australia and i can be served.Cut VA down as obviously, they cutting flights MEL/LAX and moving them to BNE they see greater profits.