Perhaps (and thats a big perhaps) when they order heaps more 787s. Assuming they used 787 on SYD-ORD-LHR that would use 3 frames... plus the additional cost of a tag. Not exactly great a return. Plus If QF wanted to do LHR via the USA (and there's zero indication of that) it would make more sense to use LAX as it'll have more feed. Finally, what does American get out of it?
Anyway, they certainly don't have spare 747s and nor could they use a 747 on direct syd-ord 747 flights with any load.
So all in all April fool.
Per-sin-lhr is at least possible. But I don't see QF flying to Europe except via dxb (at least in the immediate future) or one day direct
I think some people missed the point. Proposed route is London -Chicago across the Atlantic! Not Australia - Chicago -London. Qantas aircraft spend a lot of time on ground in London between flights. By retimeing flights can introduce new service and better utilize aircraft. 747 could go Perth - Singapore - London - Chicago opening up new connections with east coast services. Many people would love to see Singapore - London return!
I didn't miss the point... the business traveller comment discussed a service LHR-ORD to connect with future flights to Australia between ORD and SYD. It wasn't designed to be solely ORD-LHR.
In any case, PER-SIN-LHR-ORD would likely require QF to establish a 747 base in Perth (unless they position flights constantly), which would be costly. They do not have spare 747's to launch such a route and they have already retimed flights at LHR which saved 1 airframe and enabled SYD-DFW on the A380.
It's not a like for like comparison to compare a QF service of ORD-LHR to Air NZ who do AKL-LAX-LHR. NZ's flight would have travellers originating/destined to Auckland, as well as local LAX-LHR traffic. If QF only did ORD-LHR, they would need solely O&D traffic... unlikely for AA/BA to give QF any traffic.
If QF operated SYD-USA-LHR, since it would be a longer journey, there may be yield issues and seats previously used for US bound traffic would end up be allocated to LHR traffic. There is little benefit.
Finally, the orginally poster on BT has admitted it was an April fools.
While Australian carriers have US-UK 5th freedom rights, those flights have to continue to/from Australia, so a simple US-LHR flight is out of the question (unless it was a QF codeshare on a AA or BA flight).
QF doesn't have the needed frames to do such a flight. Any of the aircraft that sit on the US west coast all day would barely have the time for a return trip to the US east coast. A ORD-LHR turn would require 19-21 hours. There is no way to get that from the current fleet.
Given the current long haul fleet, planned retirements and confirmed incoming orders, no QF operated ORD-LHR day dream will happen for at least 10 years, if ever.
PS: Air NZ service from LHR to LAX is extremely popular with both Europeans and Americans. Favoured by many businesses people and celebrities due poor service on us airlines. A Qantas service between LHR and ORD geared to business travelers could be just as popular.
"Air NZ service from LHR to LAX is extremely popular with....Favoured by many....due poor service on us airlines."
U mean despite Y product specs on UA(i.e. 9abreast in Y on 777 or wider than the Y on 350) being superior to NZ(i.e. 10abreast in Y on 777) on that route?
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QF to launch LHR/ORD and PER/SIN/LHR?
TheRealBabushka
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QF to launch LHR/ORD and PER/SIN/LHR?
Heard it from the grapevine...well Business Traveller. Operated initially on a 744 then on the 787. Anyone with better sources?
hutch
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I reckon 1 April.
alex_upgrade77
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Seems plausible though.
hutch
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Perhaps (and thats a big perhaps) when they order heaps more 787s. Assuming they used 787 on SYD-ORD-LHR that would use 3 frames... plus the additional cost of a tag. Not exactly great a return. Plus If QF wanted to do LHR via the USA (and there's zero indication of that) it would make more sense to use LAX as it'll have more feed. Finally, what does American get out of it?
Anyway, they certainly don't have spare 747s and nor could they use a 747 on direct syd-ord 747 flights with any load.
So all in all April fool.
Per-sin-lhr is at least possible. But I don't see QF flying to Europe except via dxb (at least in the immediate future) or one day direct
Covo95
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they could use a 747 that sits in Los angeles or San Francisco all day and fly to ORD and back to LAX/SFO
aniljak
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I think some people missed the point. Proposed route is London -Chicago across the Atlantic! Not Australia - Chicago -London. Qantas aircraft spend a lot of time on ground in London between flights. By retimeing flights can introduce new service and better utilize aircraft. 747 could go Perth - Singapore - London - Chicago opening up new connections with east coast services. Many people would love to see Singapore - London return!
moa999
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LHR-ORD is a 9hr flight... So add 2-hrs for refuel/ reload etc you are at 20hrs.. I don't think planes are on the ground for that long in LHR.
Its a bit further than a SYD-AKL tag flight
TheRealBabushka
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Here here! Bring back SIN/LHR!
hutch
hutch
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I didn't miss the point... the business traveller comment discussed a service LHR-ORD to connect with future flights to Australia between ORD and SYD. It wasn't designed to be solely ORD-LHR.
In any case, PER-SIN-LHR-ORD would likely require QF to establish a 747 base in Perth (unless they position flights constantly), which would be costly. They do not have spare 747's to launch such a route and they have already retimed flights at LHR which saved 1 airframe and enabled SYD-DFW on the A380.
It's not a like for like comparison to compare a QF service of ORD-LHR to Air NZ who do AKL-LAX-LHR. NZ's flight would have travellers originating/destined to Auckland, as well as local LAX-LHR traffic. If QF only did ORD-LHR, they would need solely O&D traffic... unlikely for AA/BA to give QF any traffic.
If QF operated SYD-USA-LHR, since it would be a longer journey, there may be yield issues and seats previously used for US bound traffic would end up be allocated to LHR traffic. There is little benefit.
Finally, the orginally poster on BT has admitted it was an April fools.
Himeno
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While Australian carriers have US-UK 5th freedom rights, those flights have to continue to/from Australia, so a simple US-LHR flight is out of the question (unless it was a QF codeshare on a AA or BA flight).
QF doesn't have the needed frames to do such a flight. Any of the aircraft that sit on the US west coast all day would barely have the time for a return trip to the US east coast. A ORD-LHR turn would require 19-21 hours. There is no way to get that from the current fleet.
Given the current long haul fleet, planned retirements and confirmed incoming orders, no QF operated ORD-LHR day dream will happen for at least 10 years, if ever.
aniljak
aniljak
Member since 15 Sep 2012
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PS: Air NZ service from LHR to LAX is extremely popular with both Europeans and Americans. Favoured by many businesses people and celebrities due poor service on us airlines. A Qantas service between LHR and ORD geared to business travelers could be just as popular.
FLX1
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"Air NZ service from LHR to LAX is extremely popular with....Favoured by many....due poor service on us airlines."
U mean despite Y product specs on UA(i.e. 9abreast in Y on 777 or wider than the Y on 350) being superior to NZ(i.e. 10abreast in Y on 777) on that route?