Member since 25 Oct 2010
Total posts 12
Does not matter if Qatar airways was at fault or not. Or if all of the blame sits with Qatari authorities. How can we feel safe flying through that airport every again? We should be clear as to what "internal exams of women" means. It means unwanted and forced handling of genitals. It means sexual assault. Women were taking off airlines and sexually assaulted. How can we fly to an airport where that is a possible outcome? I wont.
Delta Air Lines - SkyMiles
Member since 16 Oct 2017
Total posts 165
Fully agree with you TimHughes.
Member since 19 Apr 2012
Total posts 565
Originally Posted by XWu
I wasn’t doubting the sensitivity of the matter, and it is possible those who were not searched (including all male pax) were not aware that actually happened, and perhaps in the 14 hours flight from Doha to Sydney the crews and pax were asked/told not to reveal an incident had happened via social media and the like, but I am surprised that the multiple jurisdictions involved (including Qataris themselves), that no leak actually occurred for 3 weeks in this day and age, even if people who knew of some aspects of the incident but didn’t know there were women who were examined, and without consent?
Member since 09 May 2020
Total posts 64
You realised of course that men can also get internal examination as well, so if there is enough suspicion (justifiable or not) to do so....
Hence my previous query about how far the local law can affect you individual right, including on open sea or skies, what flag the ship/airplanes go by.
Interestingly there was a male passenger on one of those planes who provide a commentary of what happened; he was identified as Dr Wolfgang Babeck a Sydney lawyer who has “expertise in international law”, but the various media articles who included his description of the incident didn't feature too much on his professional opinion, only included some obvious takeaway comments.
Another perennial question is that whether the local authorities have any right to detain you when you are in transit in a international airport (ie did not enter the country) if you have outstanding subpnoea or warrant for previous transgressions (criminal or not) in that country, or even another country whereby there are preexisting agreements of corporation including extradition
Particularly relevant if some of us frequent international travellers who share a common name with other criminal or persons of interest
There is a well known range of situations where men can be under suspicion on the basis of gender, simply because of statistics and stereotypes but I am keen not to deviate from my original intent in my previous post which is simply pointing out men can get internal examination as well when under suspicion, whatever other interpretation or misunderstanding (however tenuous the extrapolation) that can be concluded from reading my post
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 13 Nov 2018
Total posts 15
Originally Posted by TimHughes
Guys, do you remember the old school way of checking out your prostate? Imagine being dragged out and having that forced on you by someone who you neither know nor trust...
I am also extremely worried that there was no social media or other cometary about this incident for three weeks. Had this been done to me; I would have been screaming it from the rooftops to every social media platform and mainstream platform that I had access to. How on earth did they keep this quiet? I cannot imagine a worse violation of privacy!
We are extremely lucky in Australia, UK, Canada, USA, New Zealand and EU. It is unimaginable that any government from the western world would sanction such grotesque behaviour. This should be a reminder that many countries do not share the same value for life and decency. Our company will never send its employees via the ME ever again. (This, of course, is a moot point as we are banned from travelling for the foreseeable future).
Direct flights on our national carrier, Qantas, will be the preferred way of travel. Better safe than sorry. Even if it costs you a few extra dollars. Bring on Project Sunrise.
UK/EU transit options:
HKG - getting risky
SIN - okay... for now
DXB - risky
AUH - risky
DOH - NEVER AGAIN
All China - Never again
Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer
Member since 08 Jun 2018
Total posts 144
Originally Posted by David
"Given the view that some have raised recently on this site I'm intrigued to know what, if any, coverage will be given to the story that is a lead on the BBC website in the UK of strip searches of female passengers at Doha. It's no less relevant than many other topics that have been worthy of articles recently."
Indeed, the story you mention isn't just a lead on the BBC website, it's also featured on the websites of the ABC, Fairfax/Nine, News, The Guardian and many other mainstream news outlets. And that's mainly why you won't see it being covered on Executive Traveller: because mainstream news sites with far greater resources than ET are already covering this, and to a depth we couldn't replicate.
As such, there's also no value we can add to the story, and any time we would spend on that story detracts from other content which has a greater 'unique' value to Executive Traveller and is more of what readers come here for.
In the past we've applied the same principles to a range of topics such as aircraft crashes, union disputes with airlines and the Boeing 737 MAX: the more a story receives widespread mainstream coverage and from better-resourced sites than ours, the more we'll consider giving it a pass on ET.
There's always room for exceptions to that, of course, but by and large we play to our strengths, to our target audience, and to what differentiates Executive Traveller from other websites.
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