I was booked on this flight but recently got an email saying my itinerary had changed. Evidently that flight has been cancelled. I am wondering why Qantas would cancel a significant flight such as Melbourne to London so far out from departure date, especially given it's the airline's only flight a day into London (from Melbourne) excluding any codeshare flights of course.
The same happened to me last year around 6 months prior on the LHR-SYD leg. When QF called to rebook me I was told it was probably due to scheduled maintanence. Seemed strange that the aircraft would be scheduled for maintenance at LHR.
There have been occasions where QF9 has been replaced by a charter flight for a large group. Given the Qantas/Emirates partnership as well as other connections with Oneworld partners, Qantas may have decided the economics of a charter flight and the reaccomodation of passangers booked on QF9 looked ok.
You are welcome anytime. But than blatant criticism without offering your point of view is also sux. Please offer better explanation and I happily read it. FWIW I never been fan of master-slave relationship that in my opinion obvious in “partnership” between Qantas and Emirates and since Qantas start to fly Europe via Dubai I use alternative carriers.
So in my opinion if someone like flying via Dubai he would be far better to buy ticket from Emirates and fly on Emirates metal – far more options, you use the same carrier, tickets cheaper and your flight will not be cancelled half a year before departure. Now you may start to convince me that this “partnership” is equal.
And I can repeat it again and again - I fail to see that it is mutually beneficial. Emirates loosing nothing while I fail to see what exactly Qantas gaining. Perhaps they gained ability not to serve pork on all Dubai bound flights? Not that I cannot survive flight without pork, but somehow it does not sound to me right. And again – if I happy to use Emirates network why on the Earth I have to buy ticket in Qantas when I can buy it directly from Emirates and it usually cheaper? You honestly believe that you supporting Australian company by buying ticket from them and flying Emirates? I do not.
Without Emirates, Qantas would probably have to stop offering any European connections altogether.
The situation where travelling to Vienna, Moscow or Rome on Qantas required you to fly to London and then backtrack on BA was clearly unsustainable.
Even though buying tickets on Emirates or other carriers may be cheaper, Qantas still has a bunch of loyal followers (including lucrative corporate and government customers) who appear to be more willing to part with their money that you or I would.
Serg I like your passion and comments. You speak your mind, keep it up.
The benefit to Qantas is the one-stop to multiple europe destinations instead of backtracking via London which was previously the case. It's good for me. At least I can be aligned to the Qantas program and utilise this. Also, EK treat you better as a QF gold than you get on QF. I'm all for it, not overly concerned who wins or loses as far as the relationship goes.
So-called “one-stop to Europe” is incredibly overrated. Well so often one need to have extensive layover in Dubai and usually in the middle of the night or fly to Dubai via Singapore/Kuala Lumpur or experience arrival/departure at 2am or so (Emirates known for “super-convenient” departure/arrival time) – not much fun at home airport and disaster in foreign one. Many routes OK, but for many it would be better to use alternative carrier.
For example MEL-DME by Emirates shortest time is 26h15m with departure 2:40am and arrival 21:55pm – both times hardly convenient especially for economy pax who not living in Moscow. Better connection is 26h50m. Finnair doing it cheaper for 26h25min total time. WAW-MEL – fastest connection by Emirates arrives in Melbourne at 1:00am – how existing to meet someone at 2:00am; I did it and it is nowhere as much fun as it may seem. For better arrival time one need to spend 11hr at night in Dubai – go figure what is better. Again Finnair do it tad longer (30 min or so) and cheaper with perfectly timed departure/arrival. LED-MEL – excellent time in air, but not flying daily. Not saying that some cities that easy achievable in one stop by other carrier cannot be done with Emirates with less than 2 stops (Kiev or Helsinki for example). And such pattern continues. Meantime if you flew with Singapore or Cathay you will have so desirable one stop and convenient time of departure/arrival. For example MEL-DME by SQ takes 20h45min with perfect departure/arrival time. DME-MEL even faster – 19h50min and again very convenient time. And cheaper – from $1783 vs $2048 by Emirates.
And, riley, if you feel that Emirates treat you better than Qantas why not have loyalty program with them and why not fly with them directly? Again, what Qantas gain – just commission for reselling Emirates tickets?
You seem to be arguing that flying Emirates is incredibly inconvenient... and then urging riley to switch to Emirates Frequent Flyer program instead of staying with Qantas.
In fact, your long argument about how terribly inconvenient Emirates flight schedules to Moscow, St. Petersburg and Warsaw vs Finnair or Cathay highlight one benefit of staying with Qantas FFP: being able to select from a variety of OneWorld carriers (e.g. Finnair) or Emirates while earning point and status with Qantas.
Sorry but I am very confused by your comments in relation to connectivity. EK407 arrives in DXB from MEL at 0530 and QF9 arrives in DXB at 0705, which both connect well with:
- EK133 which departs for DME daily at 0940
- EK179 which departs for WAW daily at 0805
- EK175 which departs for LED daily at 1005
All arrive into Europe in the early-mid afternoon.
SQ is a fanastic carrier and I'd fully recommend flying them if they provide a better offering or you're trying to fly somewhere that EK/QF dont opreate, but those DXB timings seem like decent 1-stop Europe options to me.
1.Emirates has convenient connection only to SOME European cities, nowhere to ALL of them as us like to convince Qantas propaganda.
2.if you happy with your connection and with Emirates as whole (I am not) then why on the Earth you like to buy Qantas tickets to fly Emirates metal when Emirates often (if not always) cheaper?
trevor
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I was booked on this flight but recently got an email saying my itinerary had changed. Evidently that flight has been cancelled. I am wondering why Qantas would cancel a significant flight such as Melbourne to London so far out from departure date, especially given it's the airline's only flight a day into London (from Melbourne) excluding any codeshare flights of course.
MrT
MrT
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The same happened to me last year around 6 months prior on the LHR-SYD leg. When QF called to rebook me I was told it was probably due to scheduled maintanence. Seemed strange that the aircraft would be scheduled for maintenance at LHR.
nmalon
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There have been occasions where QF9 has been replaced by a charter flight for a large group. Given the Qantas/Emirates partnership as well as other connections with Oneworld partners, Qantas may have decided the economics of a charter flight and the reaccomodation of passangers booked on QF9 looked ok.
Serg
Serg
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If this is true then it trully sux and only prove once more that Qantas became just ticket box for Emirates.
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i do enjoy reading some peoples snippets of 'wisdom'.
Serg
Serg
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You are welcome anytime. But than blatant criticism without offering your point of view is also sux. Please offer better explanation and I happily read it. FWIW I never been fan of master-slave relationship that in my opinion obvious in “partnership” between Qantas and Emirates and since Qantas start to fly Europe via Dubai I use alternative carriers.
So in my opinion if someone like flying via Dubai he would be far better to buy ticket from Emirates and fly on Emirates metal – far more options, you use the same carrier, tickets cheaper and your flight will not be cancelled half a year before departure. Now you may start to convince me that this “partnership” is equal.
Speak
Speak
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It doesnt have to be 'equal', it just has to be mutually beneficial.
Serg
Serg
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And I can repeat it again and again - I fail to see that it is mutually beneficial. Emirates loosing nothing while I fail to see what exactly Qantas gaining. Perhaps they gained ability not to serve pork on all Dubai bound flights? Not that I cannot survive flight without pork, but somehow it does not sound to me right. And again – if I happy to use Emirates network why on the Earth I have to buy ticket in Qantas when I can buy it directly from Emirates and it usually cheaper? You honestly believe that you supporting Australian company by buying ticket from them and flying Emirates? I do not.
dimi
dimi
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Member since 13 Jul 2012
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Without Emirates, Qantas would probably have to stop offering any European connections altogether.
The situation where travelling to Vienna, Moscow or Rome on Qantas required you to fly to London and then backtrack on BA was clearly unsustainable.
Even though buying tickets on Emirates or other carriers may be cheaper, Qantas still has a bunch of loyal followers (including lucrative corporate and government customers) who appear to be more willing to part with their money that you or I would.
riley
riley
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Serg I like your passion and comments. You speak your mind, keep it up.
The benefit to Qantas is the one-stop to multiple europe destinations instead of backtracking via London which was previously the case. It's good for me. At least I can be aligned to the Qantas program and utilise this. Also, EK treat you better as a QF gold than you get on QF. I'm all for it, not overly concerned who wins or loses as far as the relationship goes.
Serg
Serg
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Total posts 923
So-called “one-stop to Europe” is incredibly overrated. Well so often one need to have extensive layover in Dubai and usually in the middle of the night or fly to Dubai via Singapore/Kuala Lumpur or experience arrival/departure at 2am or so (Emirates known for “super-convenient” departure/arrival time) – not much fun at home airport and disaster in foreign one. Many routes OK, but for many it would be better to use alternative carrier.
For example MEL-DME by Emirates shortest time is 26h15m with departure 2:40am and arrival 21:55pm – both times hardly convenient especially for economy pax who not living in Moscow. Better connection is 26h50m. Finnair doing it cheaper for 26h25min total time. WAW-MEL – fastest connection by Emirates arrives in Melbourne at 1:00am – how existing to meet someone at 2:00am; I did it and it is nowhere as much fun as it may seem. For better arrival time one need to spend 11hr at night in Dubai – go figure what is better. Again Finnair do it tad longer (30 min or so) and cheaper with perfectly timed departure/arrival. LED-MEL – excellent time in air, but not flying daily. Not saying that some cities that easy achievable in one stop by other carrier cannot be done with Emirates with less than 2 stops (Kiev or Helsinki for example). And such pattern continues. Meantime if you flew with Singapore or Cathay you will have so desirable one stop and convenient time of departure/arrival. For example MEL-DME by SQ takes 20h45min with perfect departure/arrival time. DME-MEL even faster – 19h50min and again very convenient time. And cheaper – from $1783 vs $2048 by Emirates.
And, riley, if you feel that Emirates treat you better than Qantas why not have loyalty program with them and why not fly with them directly? Again, what Qantas gain – just commission for reselling Emirates tickets?
dimi
dimi
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Member since 13 Jul 2012
Total posts 154
Wait...
You seem to be arguing that flying Emirates is incredibly inconvenient... and then urging riley to switch to Emirates Frequent Flyer program instead of staying with Qantas.
In fact, your long argument about how terribly inconvenient Emirates flight schedules to Moscow, St. Petersburg and Warsaw vs Finnair or Cathay highlight one benefit of staying with Qantas FFP: being able to select from a variety of OneWorld carriers (e.g. Finnair) or Emirates while earning point and status with Qantas.
Speak
Speak
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Total posts 25
Sorry but I am very confused by your comments in relation to connectivity. EK407 arrives in DXB from MEL at 0530 and QF9 arrives in DXB at 0705, which both connect well with:
- EK133 which departs for DME daily at 0940
- EK179 which departs for WAW daily at 0805
- EK175 which departs for LED daily at 1005
All arrive into Europe in the early-mid afternoon.
SQ is a fanastic carrier and I'd fully recommend flying them if they provide a better offering or you're trying to fly somewhere that EK/QF dont opreate, but those DXB timings seem like decent 1-stop Europe options to me.
Serg
Serg
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Member since 12 Apr 2013
Total posts 923
I have two straight and simple statements:
1.Emirates has convenient connection only to SOME European cities, nowhere to ALL of them as us like to convince Qantas propaganda.
2.if you happy with your connection and with Emirates as whole (I am not) then why on the Earth you like to buy Qantas tickets to fly Emirates metal when Emirates often (if not always) cheaper?
And I am out of this thread.
Cheers to all participants.