Probability of International Travel from January

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TheFreqFlyer

Member since 05 Oct 2017

Total posts 70

Originally Posted by inamfa

most people here say Jan 2022 is may be. I disagree with that. thats pessimestic. Reason is below

its going to start in November of this year in NSW
Government is under immense pressure from liberal voters, who travel more, to UK and US to open up and enough is enough.

not to mention the plight of families separated and students sitting idle putting more mental and economic stress on the country.

happy travelling!




It will be December 18 for Qantas flights. No idea about foreign airlines...depends on what destinations are open by November, though America is requiring foreigners to be vaccinated starting November 1. I'm confused about this new policy, as America has reportedly only denied entry to foreigners who have arrived from mainland China, Iran, Brazil and most parts of Europe (including the UK), starting with China on Jan 31, 2020 and then expanding to the other countries beginning on March 14, 2020. I think permanent residents have been allowed in even if arriving from one of these countries, but not students and those on other non-immigrant visas.

Thai citizens and non-US citizens arriving from Thailand for instance, have been allowed to enter the USA unvaccinated and without quarantine this whole time. Does this mean they, along with arrivals from Australia, will be required to be vaccinated to enter the USA starting November 1?

If NSW allows travellers to leave the country and come back with only a short home quarantine period, then I anticipate the following destinations being open November 1: parts of Thailand (Phuket, Samui and maybe Bangkok), Phu Quoc, Vietnam, maybe Bali and maybe Singapore. That will be about it in SE Asia. The Maldives are already open so that will work too. South Korea is open for vaccinated foreigners without quarantine, while the situation in Japan is rather vague. Apparently they introduced a vaccination requirement to enter for some countries, but with quarantine.

Then you have most of Europe, the UK, the USA and Canada. Ironically, New Zealand won't allow entry until December.


Last editedby TheFreqFlyer at Sep 23, 2021, 03:01 PM.

TheFreqFlyer

Member since 05 Oct 2017

Total posts 70

Originally Posted by IMissTravel

It's a big beautiful world out there.. come on already!

Unfortunately, as you're well aware, initially travel will mostly be for the vaccinated, though I anticipate this will change over time. I wasn't very impressed by David's rather authoritarian response to your post on that other thread, which he closed as soon as he made that comment.

Like on the one hand, he suggested travel isn't going back to normal anytime soon but vaccination ensures it will happen sooner even though there are several examples which prove this is a fallacy? Look at Israel. They're getting their 3rd shots, cases are going through the roof and Sweden and Portugal have closed up shop for Israelis, no matter their vaccination status.

I do believe normal travel will eventually return in the future, I just can't put a date on it because the goalposts keep getting moved.

I will say one thing though - unlike the past 18 months and with the exception of the short lived Australia-New Zealand travel bubble, which provided a lot of hope, there does seem to be some momentum to reopen borders around the world and we could thus see a situation where in 6 months from now, most countries will finally have reopened, but with conditions.

For those of us who choose not to get vaccinated (this likely includes those with a medical contraindication to vaccination), we will have to wait longer...but I think even for the vaccinated, few destinations will allow you to get on a plane with just a vaccination certificate and enter the country as if it were 2019 or early 2020.

Canada will allow this, while the USA will also require a negative PCR test. For Europe it's mostly trouble-free too, but depends on the country (check the fine print). Most European countries will allow entry to Aussies with just a PCR test result, proof of recovery or a vaccination certificate. Don't expect Asian countries to permit this though, at least not at the beginning. They'll want to do multiple Covid tests, before and after arrival, as a condition of entry. Even then, they may require everyone to book a hotel for the first few days. I anticipate this will be relaxed as the months roll by, to the point that they'll follow the US lead. Eventually it may become vaccination or test.

For the unvaccinated, it will probably begin with regional travel between countries considered "low risk". Australia-New Zealand will probably go back to a similar arrangement to the 3 month travel bubble between April and July, meaning no testing and no vaccination required, but possibly not before around July 2022. More wide scale freedom of movement may occur in the 4th quarter of 2022 or Q1-Q2, 2023, though this is speculation on my part. However, it has been suggested by some travel experts and even government spokespersons in various parts of the world.

Don't get overly excited though - the goalposts can easily be moved again but I think we'll know when it happens.

Last edited by TheFreqFlyer at Sep 23, 03.04 PM.
Last editedby TheFreqFlyer at Sep 23, 2021, 03:06 PM.

Dartpro

Member since 28 Aug 2019

Total posts 8

With the current attitude of our premier who is so full of herself and her position, is not very likely to reopen at all.

She obviously has not realised that the dreaded virus is here to stay just like all the other viruses we have. It's not going to go away. We have to learn to deal with this virus by keeeping a safe distance and wearing a mask when there are too many people around. It's that SIMPLE ! I can't see why those who have already had the double jab of the vaccine can't go overseas. Travelling within our State isn't an option for those who wish to travel overseas.

Journeyman

Singapore Airlines - The PPS Club

Member since 11 Sep 2015

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Even if one still has to get an exemption I think they will be a lot easier and quickly given for the unvaccinated. I know of two recent cases where exemptions to travel to Europe were given within 24 hours.

In both cases the party was fully vaccinated and was leaving Australia for more than 3 months. The reason given was to visit family.



Dartpro

Member since 28 Aug 2019

Total posts 8

2 very lucky cases. There has been several cases based on compassionate grounds that did not get the clearance. The excuse being that they (qld health/medical dept.) did not receive those requests. Extremely LAME excuse. I don't think it would be easier for the unvaccinated. Overseas flights will only take those on board that have been vaccinated. I certainly would not like to be on a flight anywhere with an unvaccinated person.

Why can't the average person understand the simple logic of getting vaccinated ? Get vaccinated, and should you still get the covid it will not be a disaster. It certainly would be a disaster if you did not get vaccinated and caught the deadly virus.

We the vaccinated should be allowed to travel anywhere overseas where we would be made welcomed because of being fully vaccinated.

Unfortunately, and I mean UNFORTUNATE that we live in this State (Qld) because of the weather. For everything else here we appear to be at the BOTTOM of the proverbial ladder.

TheFreqFlyer

Member since 05 Oct 2017

Total posts 70

Originally Posted by Dartpro

2 very lucky cases. There has been several cases based on compassionate grounds that did not get the clearance. The excuse being that they (qld health/medical dept.) did not receive those requests. Extremely LAME excuse. I don't think it would be easier for the unvaccinated. Overseas flights will only take those on board that have been vaccinated. I certainly would not like to be on a flight anywhere with an unvaccinated person.

Why can't the average person understand the simple logic of getting vaccinated ? Get vaccinated, and should you still get the covid it will not be a disaster. It certainly would be a disaster if you did not get vaccinated and caught the deadly virus.

We the vaccinated should be allowed to travel anywhere overseas where we would be made welcomed because of being fully vaccinated.

Unfortunately, and I mean UNFORTUNATE that we live in this State (Qld) because of the weather. For everything else here we appear to be at the BOTTOM of the proverbial ladder.

That is NOT true. You are projecting your own biases into your statement. Airlines will take whoever is eligible to enter the country of destination. For US bound flights starting November 1, US citizens (not sure about permanent residents) will NOT be required to be vaccinated, but Australians and other foreigners, will be.

As for your logic that flying will be safer if you're vaccinated...I beg to differ. It's probably the opposite. I won't get into that here suffice to say your authoritarian and discriminatory attitude needs to be worked on.


Dartpro

Member since 28 Aug 2019

Total posts 8

You can BEG to differ all you want, and I would not lose any sleep over it.

You have a right to your opinion, as I have a right to mine. Amen !

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

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Freq not all airlines will take unvaccinated passengers, some require it to keep their staff safe and to protect other passengers. The evidence is well and truly in now that being vaccinated is far safer than being unvaccinated.

TheFreqFlyer

Member since 05 Oct 2017

Total posts 70

Patrick, you're speculating here. No airline so far is banning the unvaccinated, even if they said they would in the future. It would be a violation of human rights to prevent a citizen of a country from returning home. That is never going to happen.

Let's see what happens when the time comes, shall we? International travel has not yet returned to Australian shores, and until it does, all is speculation. Although I believe this time round they're serious, don't make the mistake of assuming they won't flip flop or delay the reopening because if the last 18+ months have shown us anything, there is no certainty. There has never been a better time to be a procrastinator - until travel has actually started, I wouldn't be making any bookings, only tentative plans. I'm sure employers, family members, relatives and friends will understand.

Joe

Member since 03 May 2013

Total posts 124

We were all wrong! It's next month :)

Dartpro

Member since 28 Aug 2019

Total posts 8

Hello Joe, just found out that it is going to be next month (November 2021)

Last week I was making a booking business class from 19 Nov to 19 Dec for London for my wife and myself, only to find out that Qantas was fully booked up. But I could make a booking from 19 Nov 2021 to 19 Jan 2022 with no problems.

Cheers

Last editedby Dartpro at Oct 01, 2021, 03:19 PM.

GoRobin

Member since 07 May 2020

Total posts 83

@patrickk...I just escaped Australia 3 days ago SYD-SIN-FRA and I am not medicated. Singapore Airlines only requires that ALL passengers present a negative covid PCR test at checkin.

GoRobin

Member since 07 May 2020

Total posts 83

@journeyman...I got my EXIT visa to leave Australia within 24 hours of applying and I am not medicated. You just have to know how to do it. It is always the same with bureaucracies. You just gotta figure out what they want to hear.

Dartpro

Member since 28 Aug 2019

Total posts 8

How easy is it going to be for you to return to Australia ? Will you be looking for another loophole to sneak in ?

In spite of how you managed to get out of Australia, I am happy for you. My wife an I are desparate to get to the UK even for a short stay, and then go back in June 2022 for a longer stay, hoping by then all restrictions would have been lifted. Unfortunately we live in Queensland where rules are totaly different from the other lenient States.

Journeyman

Singapore Airlines - The PPS Club

Member since 11 Sep 2015

Total posts 27

Like 'Dartpro' I live in QLD. Once the international borders open, as decided by the Federal Goverment, I don't understand at a practical level how QLD can actually stop one from leaving on an international flight from say Brisbane. Border Force who control entry and exit is a Federal entity. Unless Gladys plans to surround Brisbane International with State Police!

I think we wille eventually see sanity prevail. Unfortunately in terms of reaching 80% double vacc for all of Australia QLD is dragging the rest of the country down. Hate to say but it probably needs an outbreak to release the great motivator for this state - fear!


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