Full body scanners at domestic airports

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fxdxdy

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Member since 18 May 2011

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Apparently there will be funding for full body scanners at domestic airports in the Federal budget.
I appreciate the extra safety but I just hope that unlike the US, they will install and use dozens of them instead of just a few of them at each screening point.

tomJ

Member since 02 Nov 2017

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Don't forget the proposal includes to carry the international liquids rule over to domestic flights, which would make taking just carry on for short domestic trips a pita.

fxdxdy

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Member since 18 May 2011

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Don't forget the proposal includes to carry the international liquids rule over to domestic flights, which would make taking just carry on for short domestic trips a pita.

I didn't know about that was happening. That will be a pain.

SilverBromide

Member since 05 Mar 2015

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And once again the Coalition tries to pad their newspoll numbers with US-style homeland security theatre. Let's not beat around the bush--full body scanners slow down security lines, and generate a high rate of false positives which can only be resolved with a pat-down. Most importantly, full body scanners miss more concealed weapons and concealed substances than metal detectors. In recent tests, US TSA body scanners missed 95% of concealments--metal detectors have a far higher success rate. Body scanners don't work. They don't make us more safe, they make us feel more safe, and frankly that's not worth our time.

Last editedby SilverBromide at May 05, 2018, 10:58 AM.

lobby

Member since 26 Feb 2017

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Fantastic! Nothing worse than waiting 10 minutes for a wand due to a hip replacement.

Doubleplatinum Banned

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Member since 07 Feb 2013

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I'm praying that the only redeeming thing with the implementation of this, is that the upgraded CT scanners for hand luggage that are being reported will negate the need to remove laptops and liquid/aerosols from bags prior to scanning. Should help compensate for the additional time that will be required for body scans. Probably wishful thinking though :(

Geoffair

Member since 04 May 2018

Total posts 42

Better security subject to SilverBromide comment above and more delays at security?

Just a way to make you check in earlier and maybe connect quicker if you don't need another check for international flights?

Himeno

Member since 12 Dec 2012

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Apparently there will be funding for full body scanners at domestic airports in the Federal budget.
I appreciate the extra safety but I just hope that unlike the US, they will install and use dozens of them instead of just a few of them at each screening point.

Nothing about this improves safety or security in any way. Body scanners are a backwards step.

Himeno

Member since 12 Dec 2012

Total posts 287

Look at what happened when they were debating the body scanners for international ports.

At all stages of the plan, all through testing and public consultation, the government maintained that they would have an opt out should they be rolled out.
When the bill was tabled, that was changed with no notice.
The bill went through committees in both the house and senate.
EVERY SINGLE submission to both committees, other then the governments own, with submissions coming from the public, airports, tourist bodies, business, airlines and law enforcement, all stated that body scanners were not needed nor were they wanted and they should not be rolled out as they did not work and that if they rolled them out anyway, then an opt out option was required.
The Greens attempted during the senate debate to get the opt out restored.
One committee reported that the body scanners shouldn't be installed. The other reported they should be, with the opt out.

The government then IGNORED every single public submission, blocked the Greens amendment and forced out these failed, broken, unnecessary wastes of money anyway.

As both major parties supported the measure (while everyone else, including the people they claim to work for, disapproved), I now no longer vote for either party, on any level.

GBRGB

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Member since 21 Jan 2014

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I don’t think these things are political, we will find this is just a recommendation by some govt dept adopted by the govt of the day, the other mob would have done the same thing also, be a brave govt to go against dept recommendations, if something did happen they would be hung out and dry.

Doubleplatinum Banned

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Member since 07 Feb 2013

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I don’t think these things are political, we will find this is just a recommendation by some govt dept adopted by the govt of the day, the other mob would have done the same thing also, be a brave govt to go against dept recommendations, if something did happen they would be hung out and dry.

Pity the recommendations were exactly the opposite or your point would hold merit.

Red Cee

Member since 15 Feb 2018

Total posts 151

Full body scanners were invented in the early 1990’s and the developers tried to sell them to American Airports as a way of combatting terrorism. The airports rejected them, as they weren’t as efficient in detecting concealed weopens as the current then in use metal detectors. A scapegoat, to make airports look like they were doing something occurred following September 2001. Now, it appears the current Government are trying to have us all believe they are necessary. What a load of rubbish.

plad

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Member since 16 Jun 2017

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I would be interested to know what resolution image is generated. Is it similar to the scanners in "Flying High II"

Himeno

Member since 12 Dec 2012

Total posts 287

Full body scanners were invented in the early 1990’s and the developers tried to sell them to American Airports as a way of combatting terrorism. The airports rejected them, as they weren’t as efficient in detecting concealed weopens as the current then in use metal detectors. A scapegoat, to make airports look like they were doing something occurred following September 2001. Now, it appears the current Government are trying to have us all believe they are necessary. What a load of rubbish.

They tried selling them to airports because they couldn't get enough sales from their primary market, prisons.

Andrew Barkery

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Member since 21 Mar 2011

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Hands up in the air, like in "I surrender mode" is the only way that will placate the human watching!

Many times, I get pointed to the appartus, hah, being able to say I don't want to go through it will see you not fly on the flight/any flight.
Opt out, my foot!
Its the most humiliating procedure to have to do at any place, for any reason, is to put your hands up in the air, as if you don't have any "arms" as in you know what I mean...
And even passing through the full body scanner, I still get a pad down because the apparatus sees that I have something hidden on my body, but after pat down, nothing is found.
Waste of time, and waste of money, in taxes paid via the security surcharge, guess the security company has to earn their maximum profitability!
Grrrr, not happy.
Plus the AFP agents being able to demand ID for flyers or visitors in airport locations.
What happens if people loose their wallet/id card, those things have date of birth and home addresses, good for scammers!

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