COVID-19 vaccine - paid options

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Greg E

Member since 26 Sep 2020

Total posts 19

Originally Posted by j13

I received the Moderna vaccine in the US last year and applied to the Australian government for reduced/home quarantine or no quarantine. My application was rejected and their response was, there will be no changes to hotel quarantine unless the vaccine is proven to prevent asymptomatic cases. Initial data suggest Moderna vaccine reduced asymptomatic cases by 62% after first injection. Moderna are doing further studies to determine asymptomatic reductions after second injection. The $64 question is does the Australian government want 100% reduction. If so, it is highly likely any vaccine will give that result. Are we chasing the impossible dream - elimination.

The answer should be no, you should go into quarantine. Until Australia reaches herd immunity through vaccinations, you have a very high risk of bringing the disease back with you and spreading it into the community.

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 47

Vaccine or no vaccine, it should not be a virus we are scared of. We should be scared of state governments who introduce ridiculous restrictions out of proportion to the risk. The virus will affect a tiny, tiny percentage of the population, government intervention affect everyone for no need.

Rita Cavanagh

Member since 01 Dec 2011

Total posts 10

Yes, we should be scared of the virus--just look at the numbers of infections and deaths in the UK and the US, and yes I know that they have bigger populations than we have.

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 47

Originally Posted by Rita Cavanagh

Yes, we should be scared of the virus--just look at the numbers of infections and deaths in the UK and the US, and yes I know that they have bigger populations than we have.

Rita, what are you actually scared of? The average age of death from the virus is older than the average age of death in this country. Headlines are affecting how you view this. 99+% of people who get the virus shrug it off but news agencies like to report the worst of everything which impacts your thinking. You know, life is hard, none gets out alive. Sure, take some simple precautions but don’t cower away thinking the virus will disappear even through vaccination.

Rita Cavanagh

Member since 01 Dec 2011

Total posts 10

Richard, I know we all have to die sometime, but this virus has also killed younger people, not just us oldies. As for the border closures, yes, they're harsh, but the Melbourne lockdown showed that not everybody will follow the rules. If we all maintained our distance and wore a mask when that wasn't possible, we'd be much safer. I'd love to travel out of Australia, but I won't before we get an effective vaccine and treatment for COVID-19.

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 47

Originally Posted by Rita Cavanagh

Richard, I know we all have to die sometime, but this virus has also killed younger people, not just us oldies. As for the border closures, yes, they're harsh, but the Melbourne lockdown showed that not everybody will follow the rules. If we all maintained our distance and wore a mask when that wasn't possible, we'd be much safer. I'd love to travel out of Australia, but I won't before we get an effective vaccine and treatment for COVID-19.

Rita, you are perfectly entitled to not travel if that is your wish. But any government who follows an elimination strategy is not caring correctly for its people. It’s too simplistic. At some point things will get back to normal. The longer we wait the devastation caused will be so much worse than the virus itself!

Kev2003

Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 20 Apr 2016

Total posts 6

Originally Posted by Grannular

Originally Posted by KW72

Given how many people in Australia have no desire to travel and want to stay behind closed borders forever (particularly in QLD and WA), they should go to the back of the queue. Irrespective of their age etc.

Those reliant on travel for their business or to connect with their families should be prioritized, and if needed pay to get the vaccine. This will ensure a quicker and more efficient economic recovery.

Ah yes. Lets punish the population of an entire state because of the decisions of their state government

Then vote them out. The decision of WA Premier is well supported by WA residents. Might change their mind if they WA that is wait a while have to wait. Some of us are sick of the whack a mole statements that WA premier comes out with. Anyway WA does not need a vaccine as they allow no one into their state therefore no problem.

Kev2003

Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 20 Apr 2016

Total posts 6

Originally Posted by Grannular

Originally Posted by KW72

Given how many people in Australia have no desire to travel and want to stay behind closed borders forever (particularly in QLD and WA), they should go to the back of the queue. Irrespective of their age etc.

Those reliant on travel for their business or to connect with their families should be prioritized, and if needed pay to get the vaccine. This will ensure a quicker and more efficient economic recovery.

Ah yes. Lets punish the population of an entire state because of the decisions of their state government

Then vote them out. The decision of WA Premier is well supported by WA residents. Might change their mind if they WA that is wait a while have to wait. Some of us are sick of the whack a mole statements that WA premier comes out with. Anyway WA does not need a vaccine as they allow no one into their state therefore no problem.

Kev2003

Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 20 Apr 2016

Total posts 6

According to the health minister we Australians will have been offered a Covid19 vaccine by September 2021. So why can’t we travel to see our family abroad until Maybe some time in 2022. Yes I know that the vaccine only stops 60-95% of people catching the virus But research so far is that the people within the 5-40% who got the virus , none were seriously ill and none died. This virus around the world will be around for a long time. With more than one vaccine for this horrible disease we will be in a good position by say Christmas 21 . We will have to live with it and take vaccine and social distance as normal. After all we have had more deaths due to car accidents in the past year than COVID-19 But our prime minister has not banned us from driving.

Kev2003

Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 20 Apr 2016

Total posts 6

Originally Posted by Greg E

Originally Posted by j13

I received the Moderna vaccine in the US last year and applied to the Australian government for reduced/home quarantine or no quarantine. My application was rejected and their response was, there will be no changes to hotel quarantine unless the vaccine is proven to prevent asymptomatic cases. Initial data suggest Moderna vaccine reduced asymptomatic cases by 62% after first injection. Moderna are doing further studies to determine asymptomatic reductions after second injection. The $64 question is does the Australian government want 100% reduction. If so, it is highly likely any vaccine will give that result. Are we chasing the impossible dream - elimination.

The answer should be no, you should go into quarantine. Until Australia reaches herd immunity through vaccinations, you have a very high risk of bringing the disease back with you and spreading it into the community.

Once we have been offered the vaccine and have some (60-95%) protection then you will go into 14 days government isolation. Herd immunity will not happen because there are too many people who will not take up the vaccine. That’s their choice but we must open our international travel . However all people coming to Australia must have proof of an Australian recognised vaccine certification. I remember going to one particular country where I had to have a valid Yellow fever vaccine certification. Ow and yellow fever vaccine has risk attached as its a Live vaccine.

Debsie

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 31 May 2015

Total posts 2

I don’t agree with the PAYG vaccine idea but I do see some sense in allowing those who want to leave Australia indefinitely to request it after the priority people have received their shots, and as long as the supplies are plentiful and they commit to not return in the short term. What is concerning though, is this gov can’t be trusted to develop well thought out and equitable policies! ie robodebt?? So watch this space!

Greg E

Member since 26 Sep 2020

Total posts 19

Originally Posted by Debsie

I don’t agree with the PAYG vaccine idea but I do see some sense in allowing those who want to leave Australia indefinitely to request it after the priority people have received their shots, and as long as the supplies are plentiful and they commit to not return in the short term. What is concerning though, is this gov can’t be trusted to develop well thought out and equitable policies! ie robodebt?? So watch this space!

I agree. It's not the Australian way to allow people that can afford it to jump the queue. Getting the vaccine earlier based on merit is fine, but buying it is not.

Greg E

Member since 26 Sep 2020

Total posts 19

Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by Rita Cavanagh

Yes, we should be scared of the virus--just look at the numbers of infections and deaths in the UK and the US, and yes I know that they have bigger populations than we have.

Rita, what are you actually scared of? The average age of death from the virus is older than the average age of death in this country. Headlines are affecting how you view this. 99+% of people who get the virus shrug it off but news agencies like to report the worst of everything which impacts your thinking. You know, life is hard, none gets out alive. Sure, take some simple precautions but don’t cower away thinking the virus will disappear even through vaccination.

The media is reporting the facts. In most countries that actual death toll has underreported deaths linked to Covid-19. If the international borders weren't closed we would have the same mess that they have in the US. Are you seriously saying that what is happening in the US is OK? More Americas killed by Covid-19 in under 12 months than died in World War 2?

Kev2003

Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 20 Apr 2016

Total posts 6

Originally Posted by Greg E

Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by Rita Cavanagh

Yes, we should be scared of the virus--just look at the numbers of infections and deaths in the UK and the US, and yes I know that they have bigger populations than we have.

Rita, what are you actually scared of? The average age of death from the virus is older than the average age of death in this country. Headlines are affecting how you view this. 99+% of people who get the virus shrug it off but news agencies like to report the worst of everything which impacts your thinking. You know, life is hard, none gets out alive. Sure, take some simple precautions but don’t cower away thinking the virus will disappear even through vaccination.

The media is reporting the facts. In most countries that actual death toll has underreported deaths linked to Covid-19. If the international borders weren't closed we would have the same mess that they have in the US. Are you seriously saying that what is happening in the US is OK? More Americas killed by Covid-19 in under 12 months than died in World War 2?

My aunt got COVID-19 and was ill she was 78 years. She is ok now . Her son who was 48 got COVID at same time . He died in icu .

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 47

Originally Posted by Greg E

Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by Rita Cavanagh

Yes, we should be scared of the virus--just look at the numbers of infections and deaths in the UK and the US, and yes I know that they have bigger populations than we have.

Rita, what are you actually scared of? The average age of death from the virus is older than the average age of death in this country. Headlines are affecting how you view this. 99+% of people who get the virus shrug it off but news agencies like to report the worst of everything which impacts your thinking. You know, life is hard, none gets out alive. Sure, take some simple precautions but don’t cower away thinking the virus will disappear even through vaccination.

The media is reporting the facts. In most countries that actual death toll has underreported deaths linked to Covid-19. If the international borders weren't closed we would have the same mess that they have in the US. Are you seriously saying that what is happening in the US is OK? More Americas killed by Covid-19 in under 12 months than died in World War 2?

The reported deaths from COVID have been over reported not under reported. Look at the deaths in Norway related to taking the vaccine. These people were going to die anyway. They did not die because of the vaccine just as the majority of COVID ‘deaths’ were people who died with it not because of it.

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