Qantas to convert remaining A380 orders to A350-900ULR?

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Himeno

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QF wanted to be able to say they were doing the first non-stop flights between Australia and London. QF has a competitive advantage stopping in PER whereas stopping in a foreign country wouldn't give them that.

In any case stopping in PER is clearly a stop gap measure before bypassing PER flying direct from the East Coast all the way once QF has the aircraft to do it profitably. The question is whether the A350-900ULR is that aircraft or not.

Thanks - yeah I get the marketing aspect. Aside from that though I just don't see it. Surely analysis could have been done re which euro countries (aside from U.K.) we get most visitors from / send visitors too and do direct flights from Melbourne to that country would be better than the domestic leg. 

Using Rome as the example, but maybe Athens makes sense from Melbourne, Qantas would own the route compared to all others where a stop is required along the way.

The air service agreements for both Italy and Greece allow for 7 flights/week from Australia. They also have weekly seat limits for non operated codeshare flights. They don't appear to allow 5th freedom flights, so QF wouldn't be able to carry pax FCO-LHR or ATH-LHR like they could with HKG-LHR (7 flights/week), SIN-LHR, BKK-LHR or currently do with DXB-LHR.

Joe

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The Airbus A350ULR would definitely represent a superior passenger offering despite advanced 787/778 technology. The A350ULR is a few notches in front in most categories. Wonder how many A350ULR's 8, cancelled, A380's would buy?

AmbroseRPM

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Just throwing this out there..... wouldn't it be interesting if VA got the jump on QF and did this instead.  And take the opportunity to replace the 330s and 777s at the same time. I know they have their money issues right now, but think about it, it would be a great move and allow VA to replace the 330s and 777s with a single type and reduce their costs.

I've always thought VA should do this. It would bring a tremendous amount of publicity and if they truly want to take on Qantas, beating them on SYD-LHR/JFK would really be a kick in the teeth for QF. I've always seen the Virgin brand as being ambitious and daring and what could meet that more than having the longest flight (I believe both would be) in the world. 

Lala295

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The Airbus A350ULR would definitely represent a superior passenger offering despite advanced 787/778 technology. The A350ULR is a few notches in front in most categories. Wonder how many A350ULR's 8, cancelled, A380's would buy?

Based on market list prices in USD (which Qantas probably got a large discount on) 8 A380s is roughly equivalent to 11 A350-900ULRs

chap6595

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It would make sense that QANTAS has 30 options (and 15 purchase rights) for 787 for them to take all of them, as they were bought at the start and was nice and cheap. I would think long-term, that the 787 would replace the A330 East/West, and Triangle (MEL, SYD, BRIS) and into Asia. They currently have 28 A330's....they have another 

They could then use the A350 for other long and thin routes. 
I don't see the one stop to LHR a big winner as more and more airlines are going Point to Point. 

Trogdor

Member since 11 Dec 2015

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When you think about the Qantas experience with "ordering ahead" for the A380 and the 787, I can see why they'd go for a proven model (350ULR) third time around, rather than gamble on what the 777-X may or may not do, and any potential delivery delays.

Trogdor

Member since 11 Dec 2015

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Qantas going down the Airbus route would mean they could pick up "regular" 350-900s or even 350-1000s as 747 replacements rather than waiting for the 777-x. The Dreamlines only carry 236 people and that might be a little too thin for some routes.

Boof

Member since 29 Aug 2013

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Just throwing this out there..... wouldn't it be interesting if VA got the jump on QF and did this instead.  And take the opportunity to replace the 330s and 777s at the same time. I know they have their money issues right now, but think about it, it would be a great move and allow VA to replace the 330s and 777s with a single type and reduce their costs.

I've always thought VA should do this. It would bring a tremendous amount of publicity and if they truly want to take on Qantas, beating them on SYD-LHR/JFK would really be a kick in the teeth for QF. I've always seen the Virgin brand as being ambitious and daring and what could meet that more than having the longest flight (I believe both would be) in the world. 

The Virgin ambition is dampened by the lack of cash. Don't forget Branson trumpeted that VS would fly PER-LHR with 787's a few years back but since DL took the 49% ownership that died as well.

patrickk

Qantas

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Over that distance the main freight carried will be fuel.

Himeno

Member since 12 Dec 2012

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The Airbus A350ULR would definitely represent a superior passenger offering despite advanced 787/778 technology. The A350ULR is a few notches in front in most categories. Wonder how many A350ULR's 8, cancelled, A380's would buy?
Based on market list prices in USD (which Qantas probably got a large discount on) 8 A380s is roughly equivalent to 11 A350-900ULRs

Qantas also has another 4 options for A380s.
The original order was for 12 A380s and 12 options. 8 options were later converted to firm orders.

crazybenjamin

Member since 15 Dec 2015

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the 777-8 cannot fly as far as the A350ULR, another reason for qantas to buy the latter 
I thought the 777-8 had more range than the 777-200LR, which has more range than the A350ULR?

Covo95

Member since 30 Jul 2015

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the 777-8 cannot fly as far as the A350ULR, another reason for qantas to buy the latter 
I thought the 777-8 had more range than the 777-200LR, which has more range than the A350ULR?
The typical range of the 777-200LR is 15,840km, for the 777-8 its 16,100km, for the A350ULR its, 18,000km 

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Chris Chamberlin

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