I am curious what aircraft Qantas will operate on its South America and South Africa flights once the 747s sadly leave us. A380 to big and a330 and 787 slighty too small.
With JNB flights I know there is a problem with lack of diversion airports in the Indian Ocean which makes using a twin engine plane problematic. When VA flew MEL-JNB with a 777 it wasn’t economical due in part to the two hours extra flight time required to stay further north. The 747 JNB-SYD usually flies almost over Antarctica and crosses the mainland Australian coastline at Melbourne. So ETOPS rules might only leave the A380 as an option.
If CASA allow us to use the full ETOPS 330 standard which the Dreamliner is entitled to then there will be no issues from SYD - JNB. If they don’t then PER - JNB will still work economically should QF decide to fully incorporate the western hub idea...
Another factor to consider is the 787-9 has about 100 fewer economy seats than the 747-400, and 16 fewer business class seats. I do JNB a couple of times a year and it always seems quite full across all classes. Replacing the 747 with the 787 may lead to high seat demand, higher prices. Also, while my work travel is in premium cabins, leisure isn't, and there's no way I'm doing 14 hours in a 9-across squeezeliner. SQ could be the winner out of this.
My guess, and is only a guess, that a 787 will operate from SYD, and this will be supplemented by a second 787 from PER to JNB. I also believe that 787’s will be used to service sCL from SYD, and maybe MEL. I feel that CASA may come to the party, as LAtam already operate the 787across the Pacific. All that Qantas require. Are a few additional 787’s to replace all the seats lists from the 747.
My guess, and is only a guess, that a 787 will operate from SYD, and this will be supplemented by a second 787 from PER to JNB. I also believe that 787’s will be used to service sCL from SYD, and maybe MEL. I feel that CASA may come to the party, as LAtam already operate the 787across the Pacific. All that Qantas require. Are a few additional 787’s to replace all the seats lists from the 747.
I think it's already been mentioned somewhere that QF were planning to use the A330 from PER to JNB.
So would work with the 787 from Syd and 330 from Per.
a330 for a PER to JNB or even a 787 if planning for PER to become a major dreamliner hub and could consider a 777x or a 380 for a tag along flight that flies from SYD to MEL and then to JNB or SYD to PER to JNB.
timothyshears
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I am curious what aircraft Qantas will operate on its South America and South Africa flights once the 747s sadly leave us. A380 to big and a330 and 787 slighty too small.
chris_melbourne
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With JNB flights I know there is a problem with lack of diversion airports in the Indian Ocean which makes using a twin engine plane problematic. When VA flew MEL-JNB with a 777 it wasn’t economical due in part to the two hours extra flight time required to stay further north. The 747 JNB-SYD usually flies almost over Antarctica and crosses the mainland Australian coastline at Melbourne. So ETOPS rules might only leave the A380 as an option.
whoppersandwich
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If CASA allow us to use the full ETOPS 330 standard which the Dreamliner is entitled to then there will be no issues from SYD - JNB. If they don’t then PER - JNB will still work economically should QF decide to fully incorporate the western hub idea...
moa999
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Assuming CASA approvals.
patrickk
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An a380 five days a week might also do it.
tommygun
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An important question if SAA continues on its slide toward bankruptcy.
Lonnieflyer
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Another factor to consider is the 787-9 has about 100 fewer economy seats than the 747-400, and 16 fewer business class seats. I do JNB a couple of times a year and it always seems quite full across all classes. Replacing the 747 with the 787 may lead to high seat demand, higher prices. Also, while my work travel is in premium cabins, leisure isn't, and there's no way I'm doing 14 hours in a 9-across squeezeliner. SQ could be the winner out of this.
Red Cee
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My guess, and is only a guess, that a 787 will operate from SYD, and this will be supplemented by a second 787 from PER to JNB. I also believe that 787’s will be used to service sCL from SYD, and maybe MEL. I feel that CASA may come to the party, as LAtam already operate the 787across the Pacific. All that Qantas require. Are a few additional 787’s to replace all the seats lists from the 747.
Madhatter49
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I think it's already been mentioned somewhere that QF were planning to use the A330 from PER to JNB.
djtech
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a330 for a PER to JNB or even a 787 if planning for PER to become a major dreamliner hub and could consider a 777x or a 380 for a tag along flight that flies from SYD to MEL and then to JNB or SYD to PER to JNB.
msport2012
msport2012
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Maybe QF could do SYD - PER (789) - JNB (330) with a rotation that the 789 then fly's to CDG & they utilise the A330 on the PER - SIN route.
Nick Sydney 2
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Anything but the tired 747 please. The Queen is dead. Long live the new Queen ...787