Member since 31 Dec 2017
Total posts 6
Does anyone know what medical advice Qantas got to make vaccinations mandatory? None of the vaccines stop transmission - none have even been tested for effectiveness against transmission. Masks are probably more effective than vaccinations are against transmission. If you are not in a vulnerable group, your medical risk is trivial so vaccination is not required. Is it just a cynical marketing ploy to sell more tickets to gullible people who think it makes them safer somehow?
Member since 19 Apr 2012
Total posts 715
Rabbie not sure the medical risk is trivial as the proportion of cases (of all ages) that end up in hospital is any indication (around 20%), hence the need for vaccination. The medical advice on vaccination is widespread and readily accessible; it stops you getting really sick (everybody is vulnerable) thus making everybody ‘safer’ as you suggest. Whether Qantas requires it or governments require it for entry is rather moot; and the latest data is vaccination does reduce transmission (yes they have been tested, google can be your friend) So all in all a bit of a no-brainer.
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Member since 16 Oct 2017
Total posts 217
I'm generally supportive of the principle that vaccination should be required for people to gather indoors in close proximity, such as on an aircraft. Or, to be equally fair but less realistic, in a restaurant or on a tram. The question is, what exceptions are necessary to avoid draconian outcomes. If someone has other medical conditions that might be made worse by vaccination, and have a medical certificate to support that, do they still not get to fly? I won't labour the point with other examples, you see where I'm coming from. We cannot allow Qantas or any other private company providing an essential public service to make the rules entirely from their own playbook.
Originally Posted by tommygun
Tommy I'm sure standard medical exemptions will apply. Note airlines do not take passengers already with certain conditions (late pregnancy being one but there are others, usually around highly infections diseases). The phrase essential public service could engender debate. Weve ben doing wthout it for a year now!!!
Member since 07 May 2020
Total posts 110
Qantas is never gonna be able to mandate medical procedures. You heard it from me. Sure you can deny boarding to a women in late stage pregnancy, but denying someone boarding if they haven't had a particular medical procedure is open discrimination. Pregnancy is a completely different medical state compared with injecting a foreign body. Only simple minds would not see the difference. If Qantas chooses to outwardly discriminate on the basis that someone has not had a certain medical procedure, I am sure that you will see it very strongly challenged in the courts. And Qantas are not going to want to waste what little cash they have left.
Member since 17 Jun 2020
Total posts 66
Medical advice on vaccinations will be made by health experts and the government. They won't be made by the CEO of an airline. Nothing more than media posturing.
Originally Posted by GoRobin
Originally Posted by KW72
patrickk...just nonsense what you say. Lock yourself away until you feel safe to come out into the world. There are hundreds of millions of viruses out there and the human body has evolved well to take care of the onslaught and has been doing well for millennia.
Member since 05 Oct 2017
Total posts 89
Agree with GoRobin and KW72. This won't fly. I don't think even governments are going to push for or impose mandatory vaccination for entry, but of course they'll have the final say not private corporations like Qantas. I highly doubt the Australian government, despite what has been said recently, can mandate a vaccine on a returning citizen (which may also include permanent residents). That would be discrimination and contravene international conventions. An Australian citizen has an automatic right of return, and can't be denied entry on any grounds. Given the vaccine will be voluntary for Australian residents, I can't see how a citizen returning to the country should be treated any different.
Non-citizen, non-resident foreigners perhaps yes, which could be what is meant by the phrase "visitors to Australia". Clearly Aussies aren't visitors. It is hoped it won't come to that, and in my opinion I don't see it happening either, at least not anytime soon.
Tommy, your statement is somewhat contradictory. It would be draconian to require vaccination to be in public places to begin with. Requiring one for air travel would be bad enough, but for urban public transport, to eat at a restaurant etc.? Sure, I've heard such suggestions being floated around for years, but I can assure you it makes neither good policy sense nor would people adhere to it. It just wouldn't work. The opposition to it would be monumental, you'd have calls for boycotts of businesses that employ the practice, as well as protests going on for days or weeks, it would never end. Of course I don't think Qantas can or will impose this rule on their own volition. Governments will have the final say.
Let's not worry about this right now. I think it's unlikely to happen and even if it did, wouldn't be for a long time to come, certainly not happening in 2021 that's for sure.
Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer
As I read it, TheFreqFlyer was only predicting that mandating covid vaccination would not happen in 2021 if ever for a multitude of reasons. Compulsory mask wearing is a far cry from compulsory medical procedures. Any fool can see that?
Patrick, it would be good if you could stick to the topic. Masks aren't the same as vaccines. Opposition to vaccines being required to enter businesses would be monumental. Opposition to wearing masks exists, but it just isn't the same thing. You're comparing apples and oranges. Not to mention that mask rules change all the time; in Victoria masks were required for 4 months whenever you left home, now only in indoor public spaces. In Greater Sydney, NSW, mask laws were first introduced in early January to cover public transport, shopping malls and most types of indoor public spaces. 4 weeks later, masks are no longer required to enter shopping malls, but remain compulsory in all other settings they've been applied to.
Over time, the rules will evolve further.
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