Interstate travel restrictions

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anonymous

Member since 24 Dec 2013

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The current state of interstate travel restrictions is just ridiculous. It is almost impossible to know who can travel where, when and under what conditions. Backdated restrictions, testing on certain days, self isolation, hotel quarantine, transits - can anyone keep up? Does the general public even still support this strategy of closing borders over a handful of cases? What can we as individual citizens do to stop this madness?

XWu

Member since 09 May 2020

Total posts 98

What can we as individual citizens do to stop this madness?”

We can't. Many of us keep voting those politicians using “strong leader” pose in their public health response, aided by federal safety nets of JobKeeper support in the 4 state/territory elections in the last 14 months.

Sure, JobKeeper is no longer there, But if Scott Morrison keep being clueless about planning and buckling to demands for financial support from the commonwealth when the state government decides on a lockdown or border closure, there is no disincentive for state government to think twice about calling for a lockdown or border shutout

And the lack of clearly articulated plan to remove the draconian international travel restrictions meant he really have no idea on an exit strategy

Even in the land of the bold and free, the US federal government is pegging free movement for vaccinated individuals, so surely the self proclaimed leader* of the free world is showing that the price of freedom is eternal immunity by vaccination


*highly debatable

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jrfsp

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Indeed, its so hard to keep up. I think alot of people are still travelling only if they really have to.

Why cant we have one check in app for the whole country - I currently have half a dozen for each state.

One system for border permits etc etc. It seems that the feds dont want any involvement hence we are left with the system we have.

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patrickk

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Member since 19 Apr 2012

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Note someone went to NZ in the bubble and spread the bug there. Gladys big mistake was not to have an immediate lockdown for a couple of days while they tracked people down like they did in SA. Now it is too late so another month or so of closed borders. As we are seeing the latest version of the bug is quite infectious.

Richard W

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Member since 12 Apr 2017

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Originally Posted by patrickk

Note someone went to NZ in the bubble and spread the bug there. Gladys big mistake was not to have an immediate lockdown for a couple of days while they tracked people down like they did in SA. Now it is too late so another month or so of closed borders. As we are seeing the latest version of the bug is quite infectious.

I totally support the position that Gladys maintains. The madness of lockdowns needs to end sometime. WA and Queensland can wait for 10 years if they wish before opening their borders completely. At that time the virus will just come in. Wait 100 years if they wish and what will they gain? The virus will always come back. Lockdowns are not the answer. There are plenty of other answers to combat a virus which still only really affects people over the age of 80.

patrickk

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Richard where do you get the idea it only affects people over 80. The UK is having a massive vaccination drive of younger people to keep them out of hospital. The data is there the bug affects everybody with debilitating effects I’m younger people. WA and Qld borders and SA (to include a Tory state) are open to those that have the bug under control. Tory SA has the best idea a three day lockdown on one case until they get to the bottom of it. Now here in Sydney with a semi lockdown and rapidly growing case numbers we won’t be able to go to a restaurant for the next month, let alone to Canberra for a meeting. Thanks Gladys!!! A go early go hard three day lockdown like SA practices seems much more sensible.

Richard W

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Member since 12 Apr 2017

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Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard where do you get the idea it only affects people over 80. The UK is having a massive vaccination drive of younger people to keep them out of hospital. The data is there the bug affects everybody with debilitating effects I’m younger people. WA and Qld borders and SA (to include a Tory state) are open to those that have the bug under control. Tory SA has the best idea a three day lockdown on one case until they get to the bottom of it. Now here in Sydney with a semi lockdown and rapidly growing case numbers we won’t be able to go to a restaurant for the next month, let alone to Canberra for a meeting. Thanks Gladys!!! A go early go hard three day lockdown like SA practices seems much more sensible.

It is not sensible at all. No one is in Hospital. No one has died. The impact on millions of people in Sydney is terrible compared a tiny, tiny quantity of virus circulating.

patrickk

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Richard I think we are agreeing a go early go hard is much better than Gladys dilly dallying which will see people in hospital over the next month or so. 20% end up in hospital so a few more days to go.

aklrunway

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As a Melburnian, I fully support Gladys too. I wish we had a smart approach to an outbreak like hers in every state but especially in Victoria. NSW always manages outbreaks incredibly well and I have no doubt they’ll do the same with this one

Richard W

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Member since 12 Apr 2017

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Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard I think we are agreeing a go early go hard is much better than Gladys dilly dallying which will see people in hospital over the next month or so. 20% end up in hospital so a few more days to go.

The time for lockdowns is over. Hundreds of people have always become ill each day. Hundreds of people have always died every day. It's only because of the blanket coverage of cases and deaths that we have been brainwashed to think this is different. How can anyone agree with lockdowns when the PM goes to the UK and adds in a personal holiday and Brett Sutton leaves the state during a lockdown? Enough of lockdowns. Find other ways and let each person look after their own health.

patrickk

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I go with the south Australian approach go early and go hard for a couple of days, a short sharp fix. Neither Victoria or

NSW do that.

patrickk

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Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard I think we are agreeing a go early go hard is much better than Gladys dilly dallying which will see people in hospital over the next month or so. 20% end up in hospital so a few more days to go.

The time for lockdowns is over. Hundreds of people have always become ill each day. Hundreds of people have always died every day. It's only because of the blanket coverage of cases and deaths that we have been brainwashed to think this is different. How can anyone agree with lockdowns when the PM goes to the UK and adds in a personal holiday and Brett Sutton leaves the state during a lockdown? Enough of lockdowns. Find other ways and let each person look after their own health.

Richard this ‘is different’. See the overwhelmed health services in the US and UK to see how different it is. India took their foot off the brake in January and February and see what happened. If NSW gets to several hundred cases it is all over. You won’t be able to get a hospital bed for anything else except Covid and only then if you are lucky.

Richard W

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Member since 12 Apr 2017

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Originally Posted by patrickk

I go with the south Australian approach go early and go hard for a couple of days, a short sharp fix. Neither Victoria or

NSW do that.

I hope not. Our leaders and how they act is critical. If they do not lead by example (I forgot about the QLD Premier taking the Pfizer vaccine when she was not eligible purely so she can travel to the Olympics) why should we listen to their outdated methods of containment?

Richard W

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Member since 12 Apr 2017

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Originally Posted by patrickk

Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard I think we are agreeing a go early go hard is much better than Gladys dilly dallying which will see people in hospital over the next month or so. 20% end up in hospital so a few more days to go.

The time for lockdowns is over. Hundreds of people have always become ill each day. Hundreds of people have always died every day. It's only because of the blanket coverage of cases and deaths that we have been brainwashed to think this is different. How can anyone agree with lockdowns when the PM goes to the UK and adds in a personal holiday and Brett Sutton leaves the state during a lockdown? Enough of lockdowns. Find other ways and let each person look after their own health.

Richard this ‘is different’. See the overwhelmed health services in the US and UK to see how different it is. India took their foot off the brake in January and February and see what happened. If NSW gets to several hundred cases it is all over. You won’t be able to get a hospital bed for anything else except Covid and only then if you are lucky.

We are only talking about Interstate travel here. Should we allow it? Answer is yes of course we should. We have other methods which absolutely should not include lockdowns to control the spread. Hysterical reactions like talking about no hospital beds is wrong. The death rate in India hardly changed during the last year. Media just enjoyed reporting things that happen every day normally. They have to report it to make money. Reporting it previously when the numbers were exactly the same would have lost them money. Everyone needs to look at this with reason.

patrickk

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Richard what happened in India is this year. In Sweden which every sceptic loves the death rate went up 10% which is a big deal in any public health system. What happened in India over the last month was nothing like normal.

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