Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer
Member since 12 Apr 2017
Total posts 73
Originally Posted by patrickk
Originally Posted by Richard W
Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.
Member since 09 May 2020
Total posts 98
“ Thank goodness we have sensible states like QLD, NT and Vic.”
To be honest, my opinion of these states makes me wonder if you are being sarcastic, as I strongly disagree with this statement, but hey, horses for courses as long as we stick to established facts and figures, then we can agree to disagree civilly.
(BTW I am not asking you or anyone to justify this statement as each of us have different perspectives and outlook and risk tolerance)
Member since 19 Apr 2012
Total posts 608
Originally Posted by XWu
Originally Posted by tripleplatinum2
So. How long should we keep having lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Simple question.
“Xwu I would add SA to that list: the short sharp lockdown has been very effective as has NZs approach. Victoria has been tool slow with lockdowns, so they went on for too long.“
Just to be clear, lockdown and border restriction/closure are separate matters and by different states on either side of the outbreak, although related in a roundabout way.
Flyman and I are talking about border restrictions or interstate travel restrictions which is the header of this forum, not lockdown.
Just pointing out that every outbreak in one state resulted in 5-6 different responses from other states. Every single time.
The way that some state government(s) react over the last 16 months, with that kind of risk tolerance, they don't really need a healthcare professional to tell them to close borders to a hint of a community spread (but they will need one such professional to take responsibility when they want to reopen).
Member since 25 Jun 2021
Total posts 7
Note someone went to NZ in the bubble and spread the bug there. Gladys big mistake was not to have an immediate lockdown for a couple of days while they tracked people down like they did in SA. Now it is too late so another month or so of closed borders. As we are seeing the latest version of the bug is quite infectious.
Take this with a pinch of salt as I don’t pretend to be a fly on the wall in those National Cabinet (and whatever they call it before it) meetings so I am plainly speculating the following out of some presumption:
1. Maybe it’s federal responsibility to quarantine arrivals (maybe not, the politicking states say it’s federal, commonwealth no comments), but it is clear that commonwealth does not have resources (accomodation, medical, security) on the ground in major arrival ports in March 2020 to set up quarantine facilities.
2. Federal ask states to take care of it and run it, states agree with no end date specified at the time, as they did not think it would be more than a year and obviously it will take at least 6 months for federal to build anything proper as well as the fact the hotel industry died when the international borders shut and so did interstate travel mid 2020.
3. All participating states decide to use hotel quarantine and there is enough exisiting accomodation (and hoteliers lining to sign up to keep opening) to run them
4. The international arrivals are getting into increased volume and after mid 2020, quarantine capacity are limited (and hotel start to drop out or found not to be suitable for quarantine) not helped by JobKeeper scheme which allows zombie workforce on the payroll, hence a cap was introduced possibly at the request of the states
5. Federal agree to having the cap but the actual numbers of cap arrival is determined by the participating states NOT federal, ie the commonwealth did not say let’s have 5000 international arrival per week and who wants to take them
6. States discover that many quarantine travellers did not pay their bill and almost all outbreaks since May 2020 can be traced to hotel quarantine so they do not want to be involved and also more hotels are getting out of the scheme rather than put up with media associations with outbreak sites, so some participating states (not all) are saying federal needs to build dedicated facilities.
7. States reliant on international students realised if they don’t restart the international education industry (its money and cheap skilled labour, forget about cultural exchange, international relationship, blah blah) they definitely will not get the China and India market return with pre COVID-19 volume and so they want to restart this outside the caps. Frankly the additional volume requested by individual states for their own University within their states does not significantly affect the Aussie arrivals (I suspect the true arrivals numbers does not go anywhere near 90% of the caps of each state)
So. Again I ask the question. How long should we have lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Let me give you a different potential answer. No lockdowns apply to anyone who is fully vaccinated.
Member since 26 Mar 2020
Total posts 16
@ Patrick the just because the entire country has been Vaccinated does not mean the government will re-open borders - my original hope was the same as yours in that once the majority of the population were to be vaccinated fully then borders would re-open but it doesn't appear to be the case hence no assurance or road map from the federal government on this matter.
If you don't believe me or think I am making this off please refer to the quote below - if you search the quote online it will take you to numerous news articles herald sun, news.com.au etc - Scott Morrison has confirmed this on Sunrise 2 days ago.
The Prime Minister has issued a stern reality check to Australians hoping high vaccination rates will mean reopened borders.
I can't paste the link as this site does not allow external news sites to be posted.
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