Interstate travel restrictions

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Travellz

Member since 26 Mar 2020

Total posts 16

Once more and more people become vaccinated - you will find public sentiment and appetite will drop significantly and people will start questioning why we are still going into snap lockdowns and still have borders closed,

It's already starting to happen with calls to give more freedoms to vaccinated Australians.

I personally support NSW's approach as with every lockdown people's confidence gets shot and people stop spending, casual workers can't pay rent etc.

When we are in lockdown its easy to forget that small business still has to pay rent - and you cannot say this is just a "once off" lockdown we will be having mutiple outbreaks over the next 12 months - the only substainable apporach is the NSW one.


If Victoria had another outbreak and they decided to lockdown for another two weeks - how do you think small business would survive?

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 73

Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard what happened in India is this year. In Sweden which every sceptic loves the death rate went up 10% which is a big deal in any public health system. What happened in India over the last month was nothing like normal.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I am a simple practical person. I question things and think for myself using real life information not editorials or government news conferences who only have their own self interest in getting re-elected. Lockdowns do not work. They cause misery to millions of people. People will die of Covid. Humans will always die each day. Government control of our health is not the way forward.

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 608

Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 73

Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.

I think you are only looking at lockdowns with a closed mindset. They do not always stop the spread. But they always cause devastation to millions of people. people are starving just so some can say there are zero cases. People are committing suicide through losing their businesses. Marriages are wrecked, children are storing up massive mental health issues all so some health expert can say there are zero cases. It's madness. Sure, have some simple controls. Make masks mandatory as they are in Hong Kong. Even little kids wear masks there. They have no problem at all and have never locked down. They put simple restrictions in place and over the last 6 months they get a few small amount of cases but no lockdown. We can follow the same path. Australia is one country. No border closures, allow interstate travel, keep simple restrictions in place but no need to lockdown. There is a balance which can be achieved.

XWu

Member since 09 May 2020

Total posts 98

@ patrickk

In Sweden which every sceptic loves the death rate went up 10% which is a big deal in any public health system.'

Please qualify/clarify where you got that 10% death rate for sweden.

Did you mean the death rate is 10% of all Covid cases found in Sweden or the death rate increased by 10% ie 110% of previous comparison death rate?

Or something else

Last edited by XWu at Jun 23, 10.06 PM.
Last editedby XWu at Jun 23, 2021, 10:07 PM.

pab2025

Member since 25 Jun 2012

Total posts 100

Simple answer is go get vaccinated. I’m an Aussie living in NYC and it’s very simple. Vaccinate and you can reopen. New York is back to normal now without stupid lockdowns. Australia is just an embarrassment now... time to figure out a clear strategy to vaccinate people quickly and move on. The virus is going to be around for most of our lives, so just learn to live with it.

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 73

Originally Posted by pab2025

Simple answer is go get vaccinated. I’m an Aussie living in NYC and it’s very simple. Vaccinate and you can reopen. New York is back to normal now without stupid lockdowns. Australia is just an embarrassment now... time to figure out a clear strategy to vaccinate people quickly and move on. The virus is going to be around for most of our lives, so just learn to live with it.

Quite right, well said!

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 608

Originally Posted by XWu

@ patrickk

In Sweden which every sceptic loves the death rate went up 10% which is a big deal in any public health system.'

Please qualify/clarify where you got that 10% death rate for sweden.

Did you mean the death rate is 10% of all Covid cases found in Sweden or the death rate increased by 10% ie 110% of previous comparison death rate?

Or something else

Last edited by XWu at Jun 23, 10.06 PM.
Last editedby XWu at Jun 23, 2021, 10:07 PM.
XWu the death rate I referred to is excess deaths on previous years which is increasingly seen as a reasonable measure of Covid deaths due to poor attribution of things like covid related pneumonia, but probably underestimates as other infectious diseases such as flu are right down. I think statistica was my source but Dr Google is a good starting point.

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 608

Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.

I think you are only looking at lockdowns with a closed mindset. They do not always stop the spread. But they always cause devastation to millions of people. people are starving just so some can say there are zero cases. People are committing suicide through losing their businesses. Marriages are wrecked, children are storing up massive mental health issues all so some health expert can say there are zero cases. It's madness. Sure, have some simple controls. Make masks mandatory as they are in Hong Kong. Even little kids wear masks there. They have no problem at all and have never locked down. They put simple restrictions in place and over the last 6 months they get a few small amount of cases but no lockdown. We can follow the same path. Australia is one country. No border closures, allow interstate travel, keep simple restrictions in place but no need to lockdown. There is a balance which can be achieved.

Richard in Australia the devastation is not quite as dire unemployment is back to 2019 levels bankruptcies are down housing prices are booming. There are mental health issues but not dramatic. Then again the mental health issues with higher covid cases need to be factored in. My point is shorter sharper and earlier lockdowns do work: see SA and WA

nickyfc

Member since 08 Aug 2019

Total posts 2

Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard where do you get the idea it only affects people over 80. The UK is having a massive vaccination drive of younger people to keep them out of hospital. The data is there the bug affects everybody with debilitating effects I’m younger people. WA and Qld borders and SA (to include a Tory state) are open to those that have the bug under control. Tory SA has the best idea a three day lockdown on one case until they get to the bottom of it. Now here in Sydney with a semi lockdown and rapidly growing case numbers we won’t be able to go to a restaurant for the next month, let alone to Canberra for a meeting. Thanks Gladys!!! A go early go hard three day lockdown like SA practices seems much more sensible.

It is not sensible at all. No one is in Hospital. No one has died. The impact on millions of people in Sydney is terrible compared a tiny, tiny quantity of virus circulating.

the impact this looks to be having on my business projects is far worse because of the ongoing uncertainty and likelihood it will get worse. Already had to cancel a week's workshops in Melbourne then Sydney work is moving online where it can, but a lot can't and clients aren't comfortable with us running workshops in person - so they are now talking about getting someone else in Melbourne to do that instead. I would have preferred an early short lockdown to get on top of it, feels like its all over the place now and just too hard.

Flyman

QFP

Member since 22 Jan 2013

Total posts 72

Hello all. You want crazy....I couldn’t travel to SA yesterday from Canberra, because I live 10km over the border in NSW. People from ACT where fine to travel. I am more than 400km away from any hotspot. Closing to whole State’s is nuts and a political decision, not scientific. Thank goodness we have sensible states like QLD, NT and Vic.

aklrunway

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 09 May 2011

Total posts 176

Originally Posted by Flyman

Hello all. You want crazy....I couldn’t travel to SA yesterday from Canberra, because I live 10km over the border in NSW. People from ACT where fine to travel. I am more than 400km away from any hotspot. Closing to whole State’s is nuts and a political decision, not scientific. Thank goodness we have sensible states like QLD, NT and Vic.

I think the only sensible state is NSW and followed closely behind is QLD. WA might as well just cut ties with Australia

jrfsp

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 04 Mar 2014

Total posts 93

Originally Posted by aklrunway

Originally Posted by Flyman

Hello all. You want crazy....I couldn’t travel to SA yesterday from Canberra, because I live 10km over the border in NSW. People from ACT where fine to travel. I am more than 400km away from any hotspot. Closing to whole State’s is nuts and a political decision, not scientific. Thank goodness we have sensible states like QLD, NT and Vic.

I think the only sensible state is NSW and followed closely behind is QLD. WA might as well just cut ties with Australia

Yes far better if we waited to close like VIC and NZ so we could import cases from NSW too

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 608

Originally Posted by nickyfc

Originally Posted by Richard W

Originally Posted by patrickk

Richard where do you get the idea it only affects people over 80. The UK is having a massive vaccination drive of younger people to keep them out of hospital. The data is there the bug affects everybody with debilitating effects I’m younger people. WA and Qld borders and SA (to include a Tory state) are open to those that have the bug under control. Tory SA has the best idea a three day lockdown on one case until they get to the bottom of it. Now here in Sydney with a semi lockdown and rapidly growing case numbers we won’t be able to go to a restaurant for the next month, let alone to Canberra for a meeting. Thanks Gladys!!! A go early go hard three day lockdown like SA practices seems much more sensible.

It is not sensible at all. No one is in Hospital. No one has died. The impact on millions of people in Sydney is terrible compared a tiny, tiny quantity of virus circulating.

the impact this looks to be having on my business projects is far worse because of the ongoing uncertainty and likelihood it will get worse. Already had to cancel a week's workshops in Melbourne then Sydney work is moving online where it can, but a lot can't and clients aren't comfortable with us running workshops in person - so they are now talking about getting someone else in Melbourne to do that instead. I would have preferred an early short lockdown to get on top of it, feels like its all over the place now and just too hard.

Richard there are people in hospital and off a very low number. You might mean there are none on ventilators but that is a pretty dire step.

Richard W

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

Member since 12 Apr 2017

Total posts 73

Originally Posted by jrfsp

Originally Posted by aklrunway

Originally Posted by Flyman

Hello all. You want crazy....I couldn’t travel to SA yesterday from Canberra, because I live 10km over the border in NSW. People from ACT where fine to travel. I am more than 400km away from any hotspot. Closing to whole State’s is nuts and a political decision, not scientific. Thank goodness we have sensible states like QLD, NT and Vic.

I think the only sensible state is NSW and followed closely behind is QLD. WA might as well just cut ties with Australia

Yes far better if we waited to close like VIC and NZ so we could import cases from NSW too

It does not matter how fast or how long you close, cases will come back into Australia, into every State. Don't stop interstate travel, we all have to learn to live with it. People will die. Of course they will. People die every day. Find ways to deal with that and live sensibly. Lockdowns cause a lot more suffering and death than a virus.

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