Qantas & Emirates - price farce?

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Andie

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 05 Jun 2012

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Qantas & Emirates - price farce?

Joshb

Qantas - QFF Platinum

Member since 20 Mar 2012

Total posts 123

Agree completely.... 5200 euros EK.com FCO-MEL return in First, on QF.com 7500 on same flights. Does raise the question of how much you value status credits with QF/OW

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

Total posts 2,059

If the price remains as it is today it confirms my thoughts, which I have discussed before, that Qantas is happy to sacrifise lower income generating-international flying frequent flyers to the Skywards programme in return for offering its higher end, primarily domestic flying, frequent flyers access to more international destinations. It is an indication that Qantas still sees its Domestic business as its core and international flights as an appendage to this core.

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

Total posts 761

My understanding prices will change once ACCC approves partnership... not sure if that means QF will come down, EK will go up, or a bit of both.

spinoza

Member since 01 Feb 2012

Total posts 218

I must admit I don't understand the economics of code shares, but how is this even possible?

How is it possible that QF can, or would want to, charge more the EK anyway? I imagine EK isn't "dumping" and charging consumers less than what they charge QF. So why does QF think they can get away with it? Is it corporate clients who have exclusive agreements with QF?

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

Total posts 2,059

QF can get away with it because once a passenger is hooked on Status Credits and are clocking towards elite status, their demand for QF coded flights is more inelastic. Consequently QF gets away with charging higher fares.

Think about it this way: Assuming you are 720 status credits away from Platinum, would you waste the opportunity to hit Platinum by saving EUR 2,300 on the FCO/MEL sectors (to use the above example) flying an EK coded flight?

spinoza

Member since 01 Feb 2012

Total posts 218

YES - assuming I am paying for it personally.

If my company is then I'll just pretend I don't know about the cheaper fare :)

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

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Really? There is a cheaper fare with Emirates? I thought our preferred supplier is Qantas? *looks innocently at the procurement officer*

LOL

Joshb

Qantas - QFF Platinum

Member since 20 Mar 2012

Total posts 123

Haha good one

To be honest I would probably pay the extra 2,300 euros to QF as status and points earning are effectively what you're buying with the fare difference. And as we all know, status is king in the travel world

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

Total posts 761

I believe when an airline codeshares, it buys a certain number of seats and then sells them... the same principles of supply & demand apply, plus the airlines own pricing formula. That's how you can see all the seats on a QF flight number sold out, while seats on EK's are still available.

There have been occasions (though rarer) when QF have been cheaper than EK on EK metal.

Supposedely, once ACCC approval is provided, EK & QF will coordinate on pricing.

Andie

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 05 Jun 2012

Total posts 27

i forgot to post yesterday. I checked the fair on Expedia.com.au and it gave me $6710 and qantas.com.au cost $9715. This is the same Emirates flight with QF badge

So i looked at their "price match" policy and it's only available for QF badge flights.

So what Qantas believe its QF badge allow it to increase prices by $3000??

I calculate the approximate Status points to be 360 points

I am not paid or benefit by/from any of the mentioned or inferred or implied businesses in my post

Andie

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 05 Jun 2012

Total posts 27

Adelaide/Zurich return

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

Total posts 761

Qantas can charge whatever they like... you don't have to fly them

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

Total posts 2,059

Absolutely. I cannot agree more.

Andie, the key here however is to determine your regular travel pattern. Based on that analysis it may be apparent that you give up your Qantas frequent flyer and accrue miles with another programme.

I suggest you list down all the flights you will take in any given year and systematically consider the cost and points/mileage accrual for those flights with respect to QFF, Skywards, Other OW and Other airlines. Consider the mileage accrual rules in each instance as well as the benefits attained with respect to your travel pattern. Once you've laid it out, it would become quite clear if you should stick with QFF going forward.

The temptation to stick with a known quantity i.e. QFF is palpable but just consider the alternatives...

Andie

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 05 Jun 2012

Total posts 27

Thanks.

You would hope the partnership offered better pricing.

Just highlighting that under all the powerpoint presentations - QF badged flights aren't that good when it comes to Qantas/Emirates to Zurich at least.

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