Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 08 Jun 2014
Total posts 318
I am wondering how many of the first seats on the A380 are revenue fares and how many are upgrades? When I check expert flyer the first cabin is essentially empty until the upgrades open up. Is this why the quality in first is declining. The last few timed I have flown the food has been sub-par business quality, the staff are usually good and the bed is excellent. Just wondering if qantas see no merit in making their first cabin competitive with emirates, ethihad, Singapore airlines etc if most of the customers are there on upgrades.
Member since 14 Jun 2013
Total posts 109
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
Member since 07 Dec 2014
Total posts 55
On flights to and from the US, they are the only carrier with a First Class. And while the A380's current Business class is sub-standard, their First is no-doubt a step above their competition's Business products, so has a value proposition for people who can afford it. I would think its the European route where there is far more competition with the Middle Eastern and Asian carriers, where it becomes more difficult to sell seats.
Member since 22 Oct 2012
Total posts 250
It is a common misconception that no-one pays for QF First class seats. I regularly fly QF1/2 and 11/12, and a month out from the flight it is normal for 50% to 66% of all seats in F to be allocated. Given that there are now very few award seats in F on these flights, and none on QF1/2, then I believe that the majority of seats in F are sold.
Member since 24 Apr 2012
Total posts 1,116
It would vary from flight to flight - I've certainly seen some flights where first is completely booked well ahead of departure (not just via upgrades), and have also taken a flight where I was advised I was the only passenger booked into First the day before departure and had the entire cabin to myself (a points-based booking to Hong Kong), but on the day of travel the cabin was almost full but with a couple of seats spare after upgrades from business class had been processed.At the end of the day, if First wasn't making money for Qantas, they wouldn't keep it on the aircraft - they just limit the routes where it's available based on demand: remembering they chose to make First an A380-only product a few years back, when previously it was available on Boeing 747 flights to Johannesburg as well, and on 747 flights to Hong Kong, etc.
Chris, I wonder if the main value to Qantas is to reward the platinums and above for their loyalty? There must be a value in this for them also? I take a paid F fare every year to maintain my P status with Qantas but rarely see more than 2 seats booked until t-72. I do also find that entirely filling the cabin with upgrades devalues the F product. Many other carriers do not do this unless they need op-ups ( Air France, Emirates etc)
Member since 19 Apr 2012
Total posts 731
First class is big plus for the very big corporate accounts whose executives
Member since 13 Apr 2018
Total posts 25
You have to remember there’s a LOT of people with SO much money they have no way in spending it all. My boss regularly takes his whole family of 5 on first class trips to the US. Fully paid for in cash. His youngest child is 4. Imagine splurging close to $20k for your 4 year old in first class...
Member since 17 Sep 2015
Total posts 73
I'm not anti private enterprise, but that's obscene. Far from the humility those such as Mother Teresa practised.
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