Member since 12 Dec 2012
Total posts 291
Canada only gives Australia 5th freedom rights via SFO, HNL, NAN and PPT. Seats into Canada shouldn't be a problem (up to 3000 per week) unless they wanted to do much more then daily.
Brazil allows 14 flights/week. IASC listing doesn't mention 5th freedom.
Argentina - 2800 seats/week
Mexico - 4 flights/week to GDL, MEX, CUN and MTY, unlimited elsewhere.
The rest of South America is even worse, some are "only codeshares, no own metal".I'd see QF adding daily 787 flights to CDG before adding any more South America. (For mainland France, aircraft used has to be under 240 seats for 6 weekly and under 200 for daily)
EK would just love for QF to use the 25 flights/week they have access to and operate some AU-DXB-Germany flights.
Member since 20 May 2014
Total posts 91
From EK's perspective, it probably makes the most sense to try and convince Qantas to run flights to TXL (or whatever the new Berlin airport gets named) or Düsseldorf, right?
I don't know what the contractual terms for Oneworld are, but I'm guessing there has to be some presumption that Airberlin provide feed, if not codeshares. For EK, that'd be a pretty good hit against EY who has invested so much in Airberlin. Do you reckon that would work? Is the homegrown Australian demand there for flights to Berlin or would it just be as a pawn for Emirates?
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Member since 06 Sep 2012
Total posts 99
Like I've mentioned earlier, the mainland Europe-Australia market is almost near saturation and if there was indeed demand for flights we would already see the European carriers resuming flights back to Australia.
Most EU carriers pulled out of flying past South East Asia because the route is expensive to operate. For the end point carriers, it requires 3 aircraft to run a daily Kangaroo route operation.
BA only keep the route because they changed it to a cheaper to operate aircraft and crew it with cheaper crew ("Mixed Fleet") on a different award to the crew on many other international flights ("World Wide"). If they didn't make those changes, they would have pulled out of SYD.
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Where do you see QF having new routes to in the future- Im sure PEK would be a great option.
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