Member since 12 Jan 2016
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Dear fellow travelers, I will be taking two return Business Class trips from Germany to Sydney in May and June 2016 by myself. In July, I will relocate my family of 5 (spouse, three kids and myself) to Australia in Business Class. After that I will be taking economy class trips within Australia and NZL twice a month and approx. three intercontinental Business Class flights per annum. None of the flights are booked yet. Which airline program would you recommend optimizing (a) lounge access, fast track lanes and upgrades on the local economy class flights and (b) miles redemption for family vacations in ANZ and Asia. I'm silver with Brirish Airways and Lufthansa, but assume that I might better change to an Australian Airline... Thanks in advance for your advice. Best regards from Germany!
Member since 21 Apr 2012
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Keep your German address and stick with BA.
Just make sure those flights you'll be taking are on OW carriers.
If you switch to Qantas' FF programme (QFF), you will be penalised when flying some OW carriers. To get the most out of QFF you will also need to fly QF. That means for flights to Europe, you may have to fly on Emirates half the time.
Furthermore, presuming you'll be Asia-Pac based, Cathay and Malaysia offers better options to the region from Australia and has the network and frequency that Qantas cannot match. If you're with QFF, you'll be tied down or be penalised when flying these carriers. BA does not discriminate; you will still earn the standard amount of TP and Avios.
I'd give Virgin Australia a miss unless you don't mind flying EY or SQ on long haul trips. They're not in an institutionalised alliance with VA, so I am sceptical of the consistency and extent of benefits. While they have a good relationship with Air New Zealand for trips across the Tasman, there is nothing stopping you flying on NZ ticket and metal and accruing to your LH M&M account. But since you're not an elite with M&M, it might be better to stick with BA and leverage off your OW Sapphire status.
Member since 12 Apr 2013
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Agree - BA miles are better. I was eyeing on it for ages, but they do not issue membership in Australia.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 26 May 2012
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The QF/EK tie up is quite useful if you are going to be based in Australia, especially too for flights to NZ, where the A380 generally scores well. I have flown Emirates on numerous occasions and always been happy with them. They also offer good connections out of Dubai into Europe.
My experience of BA has always been that avios miles are quite hard to redeem, whilst I have been perhaps luckier on Qantas, with fewer issues.
I would keep your Lufthansa Star Alliance card for flights on Air NZ/Virgin and once you are down this way, work out which Alliance works best for you.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
Member since 24 Aug 2011
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Note - Star Alliance status won't do anything for him on VA, only NZ.
tronixstuff - thanks for clarifying. It does work on Air NZ flights across the Tasman where you can often find yourself on a Virgin plane, but clearly not on all Virgin flights within Oz.
Member since 12 Jul 2013
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I would suggest that given you can family pool all your SC's into one account for all flying members it is best that you start with VA and set up family pooling before you fly. This should easliy make you gold..
VA will get you into SQ lounge in Australia and other ports. Also, I think if flying business that often you will be able to retain Platinum for a period of time. And as you said, intercontinential flights would be business so you should not have a problem with any of the lounges.. VA platinum does have a family booking reward flight guarantee but have neven availed it so no clues on how good or bad it is.
Member since 29 Nov 2013
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Not sure I agree with TRB - I can see some real value in going all in with Qantas - the business class trips will accelerate Rooster very rapidly to QFF Platinum and the travel frequency he notes would pretty much keep him there. Rooster notes he'll be based in Sydney so why not focus on Qantas where he'll utilise the best of their lounges (plus network)?
To address the questions:
The point here is that you can still utilise the fabulous QF lounges and get fast track access via OW. Being a QFF member is not a prerequisite nor the only way to benefit from these perks. Hence this is a moot point.
Given the difference in benefits (lounge and fast track) is negligible, one has to consider the differences in earning and spend.
Earning: As indicated before on the matter of earning, QFF penalises when flying other OW carriers. Given too that the QF Asian network is not up to par and that there are no material detrimental effects to earning TP/Avios on QF's domestic network, then the opportunity cost of not using QFF is immaterial.
Spend: While it's true spending Avios is rubbish and is accompanied with significant copayments, the extent to which QFF is any better is questionable. If spending miles/avios/points is a criteria, then Aadvantage is the way to go. However I do not get the impression from Rooster that redemptions is an important factor for her/him (admit it...most of you assumed Rooster is male!).
WOW! Thank you VERY much for all the detailed replies!! Very much appreciated... and yes, I'm male ;-)
Can you comment on/confirm below points I gathered from websites and your input. Actually the order also refelct my preference for the according perk:
Best regards from Germany!!!
Member since 24 Apr 2012
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Hi Rooster, just to touch on a couple of your questions:
Thanks Chris, for the Infos on questions 1 and 2!!
Does any of the other fellow travellers have answers on questions 3-5?
Thanks again and best regards!!
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Dear fellow travelers, I will be taking two return Business Class trips from Germany to Sydney in May and June 2016 by myself.
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