Qantas: 25% more points needed for domestic business class upgrades

By David Flynn, December 31 2013

Starting next month, Qantas will increase the number of frequent flyer points needed to upgrade from its cheapest economy seats to business class on domestic flights.

From 14 January 2014 travellers on a discount economy ticket will need 25 percent more Qantas Points to sit in the pointy end.

On the shortest flights, where the value of a business class bump-up would be highly questionable anyway, the cost rises from 8,0000 points to 10,000 points.

Turning left when you board the plane for that transcontinental trek between the east and west coasts will now require 20,000 points if you booked a cheap seat, up from today's 16,000 points.

Qantas' discount economy ticket category includes the popular Red e-Deal sales fares, along with Qantas Any Seat Awards booked in X class and Group fares booked in G class.

The number of points needed to upgrade from a standard economy ticket to business class remain unchanged.

Here are the 'before and after' tables, which can also be found on the Qantas website.

Qantas advises that "Domestic Flight Upgrade Awards confirmed until 23:59 (AEST) 13 January 2014, irrespective of the date of travel or when the upgrade was requested will be charged at the lesser rate listed above" – so if you've got some forward bookings in discount economy and want a business class upgrade, it's best to get in now.

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David

David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

PLATY

PLATY

19 Jan 2012

Total posts 427

...add copy...these changes are being made by Qantas with 60 days notice, which is less than the 3 months specified by their published terms and conditions...end.

KG

KG

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 May 2011

Total posts 736

Very disappointing, QF mileage is already one of the most invaluable out there, it is now really time to switch to AA! Even if AA increases the award chart after completion of the merger with US it will deinitely be better than QF.

PLATY are you going to send a letter of complaint to QF regarding the breach of their own terms?

PLATY

PLATY

19 Jan 2012

Total posts 427

Yes, KG, rather an email via the Platinum One team simply pointing out that their lead time on this does not comply with their T&Cs and that has the potential to create distrust in their loyal membership

It won't of course make one iota of difference since QF management resolutely refuses to listen or engage with its customers, even Platinum Ones.

Incidentally, I do send postive feedback to QF, almost always about individual staff members to praise their professionalism.

I have already built up a substantial points balance in both Alaskan Airlines and American Advantage (not to mention Virgin Australia) and fully intend take the AA platinum challenge early next year.

Over the last two months I have researched about 20 frequent flyer and hotel schemes and belong to 16 flyer schemes in order to diversify out of the QF (and VA) fold.

Loyalty is out the window!

Since I already have lifetime gold with QF I can see little point in continuing to engage in the blind subservience to QF platinum/platinum one status, which in any case can easily be obtined by taking a few days for a status run on AA on a super cheap fare.

As you say, with the AA points worth so much more than the QF, its hard to see how you can "lose" for the time being even with eventual devaluation ala United. 

Even transferring Amex MR to Singapore and Cathay (both high quality airlines) offers so much better rates of return that QF.

I don't expect the two major benefits of QF FF ("marginal" any seat awards for status earn and no fuel surcharges ob many Enirates flights) to last much longer, especially, with the former being "hidden" and given EK charges its own membership fuel surcharges on redemptions.

 

KG

KG

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 May 2011

Total posts 736

Agreed on your points. I am not (yet) lifetime QF Gold, but once I hit that it is definitely farewell to QFF. Might even switch before that. I have tons of mileage with US and am weighing up my options. Wait til they transfer to AA or burn on Star Alliance now. It is a tough one, there are definitely changes coming to AA / US award chart but again, can't be as bad as the QF redemptions are right now. I do like Oneworld (ability to use F class lounges worldwide a nice perk, as well as relative cheap premium tickets one can buy) so I will stick to OW with my flying. Since all my flying is self funded I can choose what I do, albeit it does cost me a pretty penny.

Regarding Alaska, been looking at the FF program and contemplating buying miles, but for now I'll stick to US and Avianca lifemiles. Alaska announced (a very minor) change to their own award chart btw, here's hoping they will be as leanient towards partner redemption, should hear something soon!

PLATY

PLATY

19 Jan 2012

Total posts 427

Perhaps life time gold with QF is worth getting if you're relatively close! If you ever have the opportunity to do a US based mileage run, the HNL-BGI type routes in business/first can offer excellent status earn for very little outlay (as you may already know!) say 700-800 credits for <$2,000, sometimes a stopover in BOS can be accommodated as well.

I like the idea of being able to buy multiple tranches of miles on Alaskan.

KG

KG

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 May 2011

Total posts 736

Just did CMB-AUH-JFK-SFO // LAS-DFW-LGA on AA flightnumbers in F (EY for the first two legs) and JFK-LHR on AA and LHR-DOH-CMB on QR also all in F (apart from the CMB flights, which were in J). So yes, a healthy SC run, wished I had partake in the AA Plat challenge....

I will look into AS for sure so see if it suits my travel pattern. I just transferred SPG points to SQ for a nice SQ trip in Suites. Will also check out AMEX MR because with the bonus they sometimes offer for transfers this might work out favourably as well.

PLATY

PLATY

19 Jan 2012

Total posts 427

Nice work, KG!

tonedoggy99

tonedoggy99

12 Sep 2013

Total posts 14

PLATY please let everyone know what sort-of reply you receive, if any 

amodi

amodi

15 Nov 2013

Total posts 2

Thanks to your mention about no fuel surcharges on (Non Qantas) destinations on EK using QFF and guess what !!!! The qantas search engine now shows up YQ surchage on all EK flights (originating out of Australia and also to non Qantas destinations)

thus you left with only ONE benefit

PLATY

PLATY

19 Jan 2012

Total posts 427

Amodi, QF and EK changed their fuel surcharges a couple of months ago on routes in/out Australia - QF's went down a little in some cses and EK's up to lessen the difference between the two.

The way to avoid these fuel surcharges on award tickets booked through QF is to pick the numerous EK sectors which do not fall into that category.

If you're suggesting QF has read this website and changed all it's prices in the last 24 hrs, I suspect you are very much mistaken.

 

amodi

amodi

15 Nov 2013

Total posts 2

Hello PLATY,

That is what I meant, Qantas has started charging fuel surcharges on sectors which are operated by EK outside AU/NZ. just last week YQ for US destinations to DXB on EK was only quoted at $2.5 since Friday it is USD300+ and these extra YQ charges are in line with what EK quotes to their skyward redemption members. another example last week on Qantas website the YQ for DXB - BOM, DXB-KUL, DXB-SIN was 80AED since friday it has gone up to 400AED thus the benefit that you mentioned is no longer available and it could be pure coincidence that Qnatas had planned to rectify the charges and you mentioned it in your article

Maybe they look out for loopholes identified by people like you and plug the holes

PLATY

PLATY

19 Jan 2012

Total posts 427

Apologies, Amodi, it appears your data are correct and I stand corrected.

However, there are still EK routes with very little or no surcharges.

We have to assume these could change too sooner or later, so turning over points and having a diverse frequent flyer portfolio is the order of the day.

As ever, it is disappointing that these changes aren't fully advised to their ("loyal") customer base by QF.

It may time to book that trip to watch the jumping great white sharks or see some of the remaining mammalian medafauna (avoiding using place names!)...

Smithy

Smithy

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

05 Apr 2012

Total posts 54

PLATY See you next Alaska Statement

Buy Miles & Get 35% More Buy or gift miles from now until Dec 20, 2013, and receive up to 35% more in Bonus Miles.

PLATY

PLATY

19 Jan 2012

Total posts 427

Yes, thanks, Smithy, I'm onto it!

I like the idea of an Asia-US first class redemption on Emirates in first with a stopover in DXB for 100,000 pts.

Or an Australia-US return on CX in first for 160,000 pts with a stopover in HKG.

The stopovers on one-ways are a nice benefit of Alaskan!

cdinoz

cdinoz

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Sep 2012

Total posts 132

I love the example in this article about paying for upgades from discount Y to J going East / West ... when was the last time there were any upgrades available on that route? Each time I have flown transcon, the upg's have been MIA...!

Spaz

Spaz

05 Aug 2011

Total posts 16

More of a reason to jump ship, Thanks Qantas have been a Plat FF over 6 years and I have had it with your rip off ways to use my hard erned points...

Your The Reason We Cry Not Fly!!!!!

mushmush

mushmush

Singapore Airlines - The PPS Club

14 Nov 2013

Total posts 42

Its true regarding the lack of points value with Qantas. I used points to book MEL- SIN - LHR - GRU - LHR - SIN - MEL for the world cup, total cost was 260,000 points travelling first class on every SQ flight.

Qantas MEL - LHR - MEL is 380,000!! and that doesnt even get me to Brazil.

Its unfortunate that we live in a country with little competition.

 

KG

KG

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 May 2011

Total posts 736

Did you book LHR-GRU on TAM in F (prior to them becoming OW) ?Great redemption!!!

Capt flyer

Capt flyer

01 Apr 2012

Total posts 10

Unbelivable! They just take take take from their loyal customers. It's meant to be a reward. Will follow the great information you are all providing on other FF and look toward change

ACUTE MEDICINE

ACUTE MEDICINE

17 Jan 2011

Total posts 32

Qantas continued to increased the their fares and now this

They should btter service/better food in short haul flights/domestics flights instead of serving hard apples to elderly passengers

Disappointing

Notqantas

Notqantas

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

30 Jun 2012

Total posts 6

Here we go again, QANTAS treating us like dills.

They just don't get it, they have this attitude of "who cares they will fly QANTAS anyway no matter what we do or charge". I was actually told this by a QANTAS groups member.

They now seem determined to force us to fly business with Virgin domestically and then take your pick of any number of airlines that understand what service is all about and what value means to us.

 

BillWat

BillWat

Skywards

06 Apr 2013

Total posts 2

Nothing surprises us any longer with Qantas.

We use to only fly Qantas and used a lot of FF points.

Since 2010 we (2 plus sometimes the kids as well) have flown 3 times a year first class, long haul to europe, as paying passengers with their competitors. Internally we fly many times a year business. But not with Qantas.

Has anyone noticed the change in our flying pattern?

Have they noticed we are now down to bronze?

Do they seem to care?

Nope! 

We now consider them a last resort airline. 

Flying out of Hobart, if there's no option, we will. 

One day they'll think to offer their business class passengers priority boarding.

Wouldn't that be a bit of customer care.

One last bleat. The deal with Emirates (and the huge loss of ff points value as a result) has only made us give Singapore a try. Aren't the suites great! And, priority boarding at all ports it seems!

evilbrian

evilbrian

Emirates Airlines - Skywards

07 Sep 2012

Total posts 151

This change is in a similar vein to one of the July 15 changes at EK's Skywards, whereby you can no longer upgrade to J from a "super cheap" Y fare until check-in time, no matter how many D bucket seats (EKs Y upgrade code) are available.

In practice, you'll still almost certainly be able to get a J upgrade for the tran-tasman run on a super cheap fare, but if you're heading to DXB it's a much better bet to buy a Y flexi for the extra status points, which will also give you a much better shot at the J upgrade, as these now generally become available 15 days before your flight, unless it's already heavily booked in J.

eminere

eminere

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

25 Sep 2013

Total posts 1131

I'm glad I spent my points this year on international upgrades. 

willvill

willvill

17 May 2012

Total posts 81

Once bitten twice shy....and they just keep on doing it to their most loyal year after year. Amazing isn't it. Its a loyalty scheme where the principal is indeed the most disloyal.  

willvill

willvill

17 May 2012

Total posts 81

Usually its a double whammy. Ability to earn points is lower per sector and then up goes the points required to upgrade. The former will be next. Just watch

willvill

willvill

17 May 2012

Total posts 81

Usually its a double whammy. Ability to earn points is lower per sector and then up goes the points required to upgrade. The former will be next. Just watch

willvill

willvill

17 May 2012

Total posts 81

Once bitten twice shy....and they just keep on doing it to their most loyal year after year. Amazing isn't it. Its a loyalty scheme where the principal is indeed the most disloyal.  


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