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hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

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Jakarta probably needs a new airport first, but not a bad idea.

watson374

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So would Sydney - I would like my idea even more if it operated out of a curfew-less Sydney, finally allowing overnight Sydney-Asia flights to places south of HKG.

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

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The question rest on the assumption that Qantas International’s current woes lie in poor fleet choices in the past?

Not a criticism of the question - merely keen to understand the context.

7OD

Member since 24 Apr 2012

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Basically you can interept it however you like. To a certain extent the QF international demise was due t poor aircraft choices (in my opinion), however there are of course other factors which can be addressed in a response.

watson374

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To an extent, yes. I know that people believe that QFi should have gotten the 77W and how it would have saved them.

Just because that works for SQ, CX and NZ doesn't necessarily mean it'd've worked for QF. Realistically, SQ and CX will always have the upper hand. QF cannot beat them at their own game. (They can't beat each other, either!) From this, it follows that QF must find a way to remain a strong Australia-Asia carrier and fend off the powerful Asia-Australia carriers.

I think the ship that was let to sail was the A330. Simply put, QF did not get enough of them. I know they got a bunch of them for a song and liked them, but when the 787 troubles started showing they should have jumped on the A330 (version doesn't matter, they have both anyway) through leasing.

It's a great plane, but the key point is that it would have allowed most of what we now envisage for the 789 to have happened about five years ago. If QF had access to a solid fleet of A330s with the Marc Newson A380 product, they would almost certainly not be backed into a corner today like they are.

At least, not in the Asian network (the part of QF that is relevant to me).

JBH

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Member since 01 May 2012

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A return of PER>HKG would be welcomed otherwise a x3/4 days a week PER>SIN>HKG might also be feasible.....

11sjw

Member since 11 Mar 2012

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Oh how I miss QF067 (morning departure)/ QF068

watson374

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Oh how I miss QF 32 - morning out of SIN, evening into SYD.

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

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One of the top priorities for Qantas in regards to Asia should be to repair their relationship with Cathay... however, I think this is unlikely. But obtaining the 787-9 and the remaining A380's would be my fleet priority. Whilst I love the 747, it's day has passed and needs retiring.

787's would fly on the Santiago, Jo'burg runs (assuming they get necessary approvals), BNE- LAX - YYZ (assuming QF can get necessary pick-up rights from LA), SYD-LAX-JFK, BNE - SIN.

SYD-DFW would be replaced with an A380, SYD-HKG & SYD-NRT served by daily A380's. Extra A380's could be used to launch Berlin flights, an additional LHR service on return of the slots leased to BA.

787's would replace A330's throughout Asia as they came online. With a wide-ranging code-share agreement with Cathay onwards from Hong Kong, Qantas would return to the PER-HKG route. New services to Seoul, Beijing and Kuala Lumpur to follow. Qantas to codeshare with Malaysia for routes in SE-Asia and West Asia.

Daily services could be launched to YVR with feed to Westjet and some service return to SFO.  If the DFW flights are going well, the daily A380 from Sydney could be supplemented with a 787 from BNE/MEL/AKL. I wouldn't think SEA is viable. I'd launch 3-4x weekly Sao Paulo flight with feed from TAM-  but this would require work between AUST-Brazil Governments. This would give Qantas dailly flights to South America through 2 alternate hubs.

moa999

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The tag routes are a waste of aircraft unless you can get cabotage or have enough flights from other Australian ports transferring (eg. MEL, SYD, BNE feed to QF107/108). With QF really only going into SIN from SYD and MEL (barely) this is tougher.

One of the other big issues where QF fights with a hand behind its back is aircraft depreciation. Other countries have more generous policies which helps an airline replace aircraft more quickly

watson374

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Assuming fifth freedom rights, the idea behind the scissor hubs is to allow multiple Australian ports to feed into a single crossover point, then have the flights diverge - similar to QF107/108.

521303

Member since 03 Jan 2012

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Perth is now the economic powerhouse of Australia. How about QF setting up the following routes to our key cities.  Perth to London non-stop on A380 for starters. I'd also like to add lots of direct routes into Africa, other than just Joberg.  Perth to - Harare (Zimbabwe) - Lagos (Nigeria) - Bome/Bata (EG) - Luanda (Angola).

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

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I'd love heaps of direct routes, but I have doubts any of the above routes would make money for QF. LHR possibly - but what about pax not going to London or north of London? It's a return to backtracking under BA alliance.

qfflyer

Member since 26 May 2012

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A380s for trunks. (Los Angeles, Santiago, Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai, London, Tokyo, Dallas, Johannesburg) 787-9s for long and thin plus feeder routes. (Shanghai, Vancouver, Perth-DXB, other Asian destinations and JFK by doing SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK)

Would also love to see an international spec cross country again. E.g. SYD-PER-DXB-LHR with International config. operated as domestic flight. 

hutch

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All sounds pretty reasonable really.

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