Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 21 Aug 2014
Total posts 186
How much does First Class really cost?
Sorry I might sound dumb but here is my question:
So with a few glass of wines, some food, and a coffee in the lounge, followed by the service in the air such as the seats, fuel cost per PAX, food, amenity kits, priority lines and stuff, how much does it cost an airline per First Class passenger. I know it also depends on the cost base of the airline but my guess would be under 3000 from somewhere like Melbourne to LA. I am not expecting anyone to know all this but any idea is welcomed. Cheers!
Member since 11 Mar 2012
Total posts 159
What it costs the airline to provide all the "bits" associated with a First Class trip (Transfers where applicable, First check in, Lounge useage and the experience onboard) would be of the utmost commercial in confidence.
What it costs you as the consumer is easy to find.
Member since 14 Jul 2015
Total posts 11
Hey Rishi, First class from Melbourne to LA is a lot of money for the average person. Your looking at around 8-12 grand.
Harry, I meant the cost for the airline to cater to that F passenger, yes I know the cost is around 8-12K as you mentioned.
Member since 15 Dec 2014
Total posts 191
Look, it really depends if you spend a lot of time at the lounge how much you eat and what wines you select. I would say anywhere between 2-5k.
Just a rough guess
Member since 24 Apr 2012
Total posts 1,118
The exact figures are, of course, confidential, but consider everything that the airline will be paying for along the way from the moment you make your booking:
... and then you repeat most of that for the journey home! So, you know, it's not cheap...
(And that's also not including other costs of running an airline such as maintenance, parking the aircraft, fixing broken seats and so on...)
How long did it take you to write that? :)
About 10 minutes after seeing the question - thought it was an interesting one!
yes, it is!
Member since 05 Jun 2014
Total posts 90
Don't forget the baggage allowance in first is higher, more weight to carry = more fuel = more $$$.
Member since 23 Oct 2013
Total posts 767
Chris, It may depend on the airport but in Australia the express pass lane is not charged for as an extra by the airport operator and it is their choice as the the whereabout and if they do operate an express pass line
The airline is given the logos and what to write on the express pass and all they need to do is print it which costs like $0.10 per pass at most
You can have a look at this document to see more about the express pass setup
The document you linked does not state that it is free for airlines, only that the operation of the Express Path must come at no cost to the government itself or its agencies.
Yes and all the airline has to do it print the pass? That what I had heard but if you could prove otherwise that would be great
From what I have been told in Sydney and Melbroune they have staff that man the Express Pass lines who are paid by the airport and that cost is paid for by the airport who pass that fee on the the airline no matter if they use the service or not.
Brsisbane, Perth and other smaller airports just have the security staff maning the line making the cost cheap for the airport operator.
In Australia the only cost the airline has for the express pass is in printing the passes and the other parts are rolled into the local airport taxes.
I kind of assumed that you were talking about Australia only (being on an Australian Business Travelers website) but yes other airline such as in the US do employ staff just to setup the express lines at airports.
Whilst the document was not a great piece of evidence for that the point is it is up to that airport the setup and run the express pass lines and then roll that fee into the pax terminal charges and landing fees but realistically when it happens like that then evetyone is paying for an express pass queue that they may not get to use.
Air New Zealand - Airpoints
Member since 04 Sep 2012
Total posts 102
Well I don't believe that business/first costs the airline substantially more than economy.
The fixed costs wont change between classes. And the variable costs won't be much more either. Yes there is better food and beverage but most airlines will have well negotiated contracts with suppliers (for example wine etc).
I think it comes down to two main things:
1. Real Estate. You essentially pay more as the average J seat would take up the space of 2-4 Y seats so therefore the cost is 2-4 times more.
2. Keeping the J/F cabins 'exclusive'. You pay for a cabin with less people and more amenities, if these cabins cost less, they will become more available to the average passenger, hence losing this exclusitivity.
And the main reason is that there ARE people paying (a rather substantial amount of) money to fly J/F; so as long as there is the demand the airline will keep the prices high.
Remember also that the J/F are the most lucrative cabins for airlines. Which is why they usually come with perks like lounge access etc to entice repeat cusomers.
Of course this is just me speculating, and puting my thoughts in writing :)
I would like to know this, as I feel it would be intersting - but as 11sjw said, it will be the utmost commercial in confidence!
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