Will the qantas 787 be used for Asian flights.

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Kitch

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Will the qantas 787 be used for Asian flights. Or will it be used for long haul flights, I hope not because I don't want to be stuck 9 abrest for 15 hours.

moa999

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QF announced the 8 787s would replace 5 747s in operation which gives a sense of its likely routes.

The 789 has a decent range, QF will likely use it.

Covo95

Member since 30 Jul 2015

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how can the 787 replace the 747 when the capacity of a 787 is far less than a 747? how could the 787 cope on former 747 routes during the peak periods? 

hutch

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If QF intends to place like for like capacity, then you are correct. But they may believe certain routes have too much capacity with a 747 and may want to downsize. Maybe they would prefer daily flights into SCL / JNB with a 787?

Perhaps QF will look at a 'whole of market view' ie total capacity to USA as opposed to individual routes. If QF launches SYD-ORD non-stop and then downsize a SFO service, things will balance out in overall market.

FLX1

Member since 31 Mar 2016

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Exactly.  Some folks who wonder how 789 can replace 744 @ QF  typically hv forgotten that the total seat capacity(Or useable cabin floor area if U will) fm 789 x8 is actually more than fm 744 x5.

When airlines plan fleet replacement these days, it's rarely 1-for-1 in terms of gauge size.  They tend to prefer higher flexibility in terms of frequency and/or route deployment options (e.g. can potentially generate 5 flights fm 744 now vs 8 flights fm 789 soon @ any given moment across QF the system network).

1 thing airline planners do insist on retaining fm the 744 though is payload/range performance and the 789 absolutely excels in this regard...even exceeding the 744 in some(e.g. folks often overlooked the fact that a 789 can actually carry more LD3s in the belly than a 744 can).

Covo95

Member since 30 Jul 2015

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the 787-9 doesnt even have the range to fly sydney -chicago non-stop anyway its impossible, the distance between the two cities is 14,878km, the range of the 787-9 with typcial seating is 14,100km. 

Covo95

Member since 30 Jul 2015

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But that range of the 787-9 depends on the seating configration. some airlines e.g. British airway say that their 787-9 has a range of 15,400km. 

hutch

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So Sydney - Chicago is not impossible...  I am doubtful that Joyce would have mentioned SYD-ORD without checking the plane would make it. Yeah, he's made some questionable comments in the past, but I doubt he'd do that.

FLX1

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ORD-SYD will be on the edge of the 789 payload/range performance envelope regardless of cabin config.  Heck, it's even longer than PER-LHR.  Frankly, I believe this a longshot for Joyce's 789 plan...figuratively & literally.

Besides, why rush ORD when DFW already cover 90%+ of what ORD can offer to QF for yr-round reliable(DFW is heaven while ORD is hell during winter blizzard season) network reach+connectivity?

RaptorNation158

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Plus ORD is United/*S territory as opposed to DFW.

hutch

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DFW is Americans biggest hub... but ORD is also one of their hubs and a destination for travellers & business in its own right.

hutch

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We can go off what we have been told; or go off our educated guesses until things are locked in by QF.

No. One. Knows.

FLX1

Member since 31 Mar 2016

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Exactly.  14,100km is nominal range for 789 in manufacturer's nominal cabin config(i.e. 2-class 290seats) for Boeing mkting or brochure purposes.  In practice, few 789 operators actually adopt such config especially if the bird is bought mostly for non-LCC longhaul intercon missions.

Get rid of the total weight for 30-40seats(Including magazines in the back pockets & AVOD system wirings) +1 lavatory(fewer users) +all pax in those seats +luggages in the belly fm those pax +catering in the galley for those pax, etc. and a 789 can easily take on 5-7tons more fuel instead which is good for an additional 1,000-1,200km @ least.

Mark my words here: I predict the actual cabin config to be adopted by QF's 1st 789 will hv only around 250-260seats in 3-class(J+PY+Y).

Fonga

Member since 12 Feb 2014

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Qantas will look to increase frequency. So a five weekly service becomes daily for example. Daily or twice daily services represent a big leap forward in network expectations; especially for business travellers who may have to choose a competitor if a meeting is scheduled for the odd day with no service. Weekly capacity on the route would probably be maintained or improved. I would say Qantas will want to plug these network gaps with the 787 before extending to new routes.

FLX1

Member since 31 Mar 2016

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"..how could the 787 cope on former 747 routes during the peak periods?"

Easy, there're typically 2 methods.

1) Just add frequency if possible re slots.  Don't forget that @ QF, there'll be 789 x1.6 for every 744 retired so e.g. 744 on 2 routes will be covered by 789 x3 along with a neat small increase in total seat count available across those 2 routes.

2) Just sell less tickets and leave those deeply-discounted fare(Least profitable or even loss-making) ticket buyers for QF competitors to enjoy.

I hv another question for U though: How does the 747 cope today on future 787 routes during the OFF-peak periods which last much longer than the peak periods EVERY yr?

QF can divide eight 787 across 8 flights where some routes may not be off-peak but surely can't divide five 747 across 8 flights for the same objective.

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