Qantas status points with MAS and BA

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Haindl

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 25 Jan 2013

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Now that Malaysia is in OneWorld and BA has quite its alliance with Qantas do Qantas frequent flyers still earn the same number of status points with these airlines as they would have if they had flown with Qantas on the same sectors? Is it possible to fly Malaysia airlines sectors with a QF flight number?

AusFlyer

Member since 10 Mar 2011

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Malaysia Airlines offers lower points between certain sectors (such as Australia to KL where you only get 0.75 points per mile). I don't believe there is QF flight number on MH as it isn't a code share agreement it is just that MH joined OneWorld.

Once the BA partnership finishes next week, you won't get the status bonus points that you currently get as a member of QF FF.  

So flying with Qantas will always be more beneficial (which makes sense) although you can't fly Qantas to Malaysia.

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

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Currently MH only codeshares with JL, CX and RJ. Apparently there hasn't been an appetite by other OW carriers who are not already flying their own metal to KUL (or any other ports in Malaysia) to enter into code share agreements.

So that suggest that KUL (and Malaysia by extention) is not an important market for them.

Consequently it makes a mockery of the claim that MH would fill a gap in the OW network, given that other OW carriers are not rushing to connect to the MH network through code share or fly to its home base (KUL) to facilitate connection to the MH network! Unless these things are put in place it all becomes purely academic.

AusFlyer

Member since 10 Mar 2011

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But surely "filling a gap" is exactly what MH is doing. If no other OneWorld carrier is interested in Malaysia, then having MH as part of OneWorld fills that gap perfectly. It offers OneWorld flyers an option to go to or via Malaysia. Or am I looking at this from a different view?

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

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Yes you are right. I guess it comes down to the definition of alliance and what is perceived to be a functional and effective alliance. I've just got something against half measures - If you want to do it, then do it right.

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

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I made an error. AA now codeshares on MH for LHR/KUL and CDG/KUL. I'll have to eat humble pie. Perhaps they do have a strategy to connect KUL to their network via Europe. Although that's a little bizzare given both AA and MH fly to NRT, PEK, PVG and ICN. Surely an asian connection is better than a european one?

sdwylie

Qantas - Platinum

Member since 18 Jan 2011

Total posts 27

In terms of status CREDITS (rather than Frequent Flyer points), I believe you will earn the same on both BA and MH.

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

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Good catch sdwylie!

However this impacts only FF programmes, which have divorced mileage accrual from status accrual like Qantas.

With respect to QFF, you may be status rich but points poor. So you may fly SYD/KUL/LHR many times and hit Gold/Platinum but will have very few points to play with by the end of it.

jonom

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

Member since 06 May 2011

Total posts 26

Anyone aware of how many SC earned on MH when flying QF BNE-SYD

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

Total posts 2,059

One does not earn SC on MH. Mileage accrual as opposed to SC accrual is the basis to acquire elite status on the MH Enrich programme. Consequently no SC is earned on MH when flying MH, OW or other partner airlines.

BNE/SYD is roughly 467 miles apart. However unless one flies in A or F booking class the mileage earned is less than 100%. J,C,D,I = 75%. Y,B,H,K,M,L,V =25%. That means even a full fare economy (Y booking class) accrue only 116.75 miles for that sector.

Worth pointing out too that QF Red e-deals are in E,N,O,Q,X booking class i.e. One does not earn MH enrich miles for QF flights booked under Red e-deals. For the next leg up, SuperSaver fares, bookings are in G,L,M,S,V. Enrich miles are only accrued however on L,M,V. Flexi Saver = K,B. Fully Flexible = Y,H. Business = J,D.

The upshot being, given only 25% is earned in economy, it does not appear value for money to purchase a QF Super Saver, Flexi Saver or Fully Flexible fare. It certainly isn't value for money, from an Enrich mileage perspective to purchase business class on that sector.

antkleve

American Airlines - AAdvantage

Member since 15 Feb 2013

Total posts 18

I hate to cut your grass, but the point you made about status credits is actually incorrect.

SC will be earned on all QF and Oneworld operated and coded flights at the same rates per zone/mile/class of travel irrespective of the airline you are flying, as long as it is a Qantas or Oneworld flight.

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

Total posts 2,059

The question was "...how many SC earned on MH when flying QF BNE-SYD"

I've understood that to mean the passenger,as an Enrich member, flying on Qantas accruing on his/her Enrich programme.

Please advise how that is incorrect in relation to my interpretaton of the question.

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

Total posts 2,059

jonom, antkleve has raised an important point.

Are you wanting to accrue on Enrich or QFF?

If you want to accrue on Enrich, the question should read "Anyone aware of how many SC Enrich miles earned on MH when flying QF BNE-SYD"

If you want to accrue on QFF, the question should read "Anyone aware of how many SC earned on MH when flying QF BNE-SYD"

antkleve

American Airlines - AAdvantage

Member since 15 Feb 2013

Total posts 18

Thanks TheRealBabushka, 

The term Status Credits is a term that is only associated with the QFF programme only to get to the next tier.

Enrich members don't earn status credits, they earn Elite Miles to get to a higher tier.

So to answer the originally posted question, Qantas Frequent Flyers Earn Status Credits on their QFF when flying MH at the same rate they would earn on any other oneworld carrier.

TheRealBabushka

Member since 21 Apr 2012

Total posts 2,059

Indeed! Thanks antkleve

With reference to BNE-SYD I believe it is 10 SC on Discount Economy, 20 SC on Economy and 40 SC in Business.

Apologies for the confusion. My earlier post should have read "One does not earn SC on MH Enrich"

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