Qantas cuts Beijing, where to next

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timothyshears

Member since 26 Jul 2017

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With Qantas cutting there Beijing service, will we see a new Qantas Asian destination?

E.G.

Sydney - Dehli

Sydney - Kuala Lumpur

Sydney - Seoul

Sydney - Ho Chin Minh

or one these destinations from Melbourne/Brisbane/Perth





sid

Member since 07 Jan 2011

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Sydney - Dehli - low yield

Sydney - Kuala Lumpur - low yield

Sydney - Seoul - no local partner

Sydney - Ho Chin Minh - low yield


My guess is more Hawaii or Japan.

brinkers

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Based on the timing of the removal of the service, I'm guessing they wanted the aircraft for the new Haneda service.

jaseeee

Member since 01 Nov 2017

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They might need the A330 to do a double daily service from SYD-HND (if they pick it over MEL).

planesa380

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Originally Posted by sid

Sydney - Dehli - low yield

Sydney - Kuala Lumpur - low yield

Sydney - Seoul - no local partner

Sydney - Ho Chin Minh - low yield


My guess is more Hawaii or Japan.

Qantas has korean partner: Asiana Airlines (OZ)

SYD to ICN QF367 operated as OZ602

pkjames

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I often see great J award availability from both Korean airlines, suggesting the business demand is low. Looks like they may need to 330 for HND?

djtech

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IASC approved one Haneda slot to Qantas. They said they would likely add another frequency to Sydney to Haneda. Overall, the cancellation was because the route was not making any money and the aircraft could be used elsewhere. Alan Joyce's leadership in Qantas has meant focusing on profitable markets and if they aren't profitable, they get the cut. Conversely, Shanghai seems to be doing well for Qantas because it attracts more business travellers. Sometimes flying to the largest cities and captial cities don't work.

oxy

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Originally Posted by brinkers

Based on the timing of the removal of the service, I'm guessing they wanted the aircraft for the new Haneda service.

The removal of the service at this time also coincides with the end of the Northern Hemisphere's winter timetable.

OZjames70

Member since 15 Mar 2018

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Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.

Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.

patrickk

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Originally Posted by OZjames70

Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.

Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.

I think you will find they are in terms of filling enough business seats each day. I thought they may try the new Beijing airport with a better slot time but it seems Haneda might be more valuable. They may shift an A380 to Narita.

markpk

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Originally Posted by djtech

IASC approved one Haneda slot to Qantas. They said they would likely add another frequency to Sydney to Haneda. Overall, the cancellation was because the route was not making any money and the aircraft could be used elsewhere. Alan Joyce's leadership in Qantas has meant focusing on profitable markets and if they aren't profitable, they get the cut. Conversely, Shanghai seems to be doing well for Qantas because it attracts more business travellers. Sometimes flying to the largest cities and captial cities don't work.

It's kind of Business 101 isn't it..!

brinkers

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Originally Posted by oxy

Originally Posted by brinkers

Based on the timing of the removal of the service, I'm guessing they wanted the aircraft for the new Haneda service.

The removal of the service at this time also coincides with the end of the Northern Hemisphere's winter timetable.

True,

But reflecting on it a bit more, there also the 747 services to consider. They're heading for retirement. End of the day, I am not sure that the A330 will be used to introduce a new service.


DanV

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Originally Posted by OZjames70

Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.

Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.

Basically very minimal (if any) business demand to support the largely low yielding VFR (Visiting Family Relatives) and budget tourists/backpackers which makes up the majority of loads on flights to KUL and India. Hence why a long-haul LCC would suit most of the low yielding/"budget" nature of those routes.

The fact that JQ also tried SYD-KUL and had to pull out due to low loads and low yield suggests that KUL is not a viable destination for QF's full service offerings.

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

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Originally Posted by OZjames70

Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.

Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.

I'm not sure why you think otherwise?

ZQN Fan

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Originally Posted by hutch

Originally Posted by OZjames70

Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.

Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.
I'm not sure why you think otherwise?


Probably because the aircraft used on these routes are very Y-heavy in their configuration i.e. AI has 18J and 238Y on SYD-DEL, so definitely low yield.

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