There is a rumour going around that Jetstar will be starting a new route within the next 12 months to America with the 787, with it either being Seattle, San Diego or San Jose. Is this a good idea?
No. Why would anyone have to deal with a 17.3 inch seat with HARDLY any legroom just to save $100? Air Asia has tried (and failed) to do long haul but it just doesn't work with LCCs.
Last editedby Packetman21 at May 22, 2017, 06:57 PM.
Can't say I've heard this one, and I struggle to see this happening. Apart from Qantas probably wanting to protect their US market share (there's a lot of Y seats on an A380 to fill and plenty of competition), it just seems 'too far' for JQ right now. Their 787's aren't configured for two meal services and I couldn't see any of these three cities being able to fill that many seats without codeshares from big players. They do have birds to spare but I expect more Chinese mainland routes.
No. Why would anyone have to deal with a 17.3 inch seat with HARDLY any legroom just to save $100? Air Asia has tried (and failed) to do long haul but it just doesn't work with LCCs.
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by Packetman21 at May 22, 2017, 06.57 PM.
Scoot does quite a bit of longish-haul LCC flying. And Jetstar does flights to Tokyo... that's 9hrs+
I agree there are limits; the marginal value of comfort increases as the flight gets longer. But a large portion of the market... a very large portion... is composed of extremely price-driven customers. They'll tolerate (and even appreciate) connecting flights, they'll tolerate LCCs, they don't care about frequency, they'll endure being crushed.
Like I said, there are limits to this, but we need to establish where they are. I'd go so far as to say "for single-digit numbers of hours (per individual flight), LCCs can compete," but this is only my suggestion.
No. Why would anyone have to deal with a 17.3 inch seat with HARDLY any legroom just to save $100? Air Asia has tried (and failed) to do long haul but it just doesn't work with LCCs.
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by Packetman21 at May 22, 2017, 06.57 PM.
Scoot does quite a bit of longish-haul LCC flying. And Jetstar does flights to Tokyo... that's 9hrs+
I agree there are limits; the marginal value of comfort increases as the flight gets longer. But a large portion of the market... a very large portion... is composed of extremely price-driven customers. They'll tolerate (and even appreciate) connecting flights, they'll tolerate LCCs, they don't care about frequency, they'll endure being crushed.
Like I said, there are limits to this, but we need to establish where they are. I'd go so far as to say "for single-digit numbers of hours (per individual flight), LCCs can compete," but this is only my suggestion.
Yea long haul low cost does work out of Australia. Scoot and Jetstar are both good option. I've flown Jetstar to Hawaii, Osaka and Tokyo and the flights were not only bearable, but moderately comfortable. Same with Scoot to Singapore and Jaipur. And every flight I've had on Air Asia OOL-KUL has been full. And the savings were MUCH greater than $100. I've picked up OOL to SIN, KUL and KIX for under $500 return and I tend to fly them out of OOL to avoid having to wake up early and make the transfer to Brisbane. If the routing is convenient for people, it will work.
I think people would tolerate a service to the west coast US low cost. San Diego would be my choice - convenient enough to LA for tourists, and a touristic city in its own right. Though you could risk some people who would then fly direct to SAN without having to make the morning drive down from LAX, that'd be worth it for me, but would compete with mainline Qantas services.
Seattle could work as well, Australia needs a direct connection there, but I'd have thought Qantas mainline would be going for that.
I mean like 13hrs +. I couldn't honestly do that. 9 hrs is actually not that much (I have done it) compared with all the long haul routes that Australians have to go on to get places... (like west coast US and Middle East)
Last editedby Packetman21 at May 26, 2017, 08:32 AM.
I really don't think JQ needs to be flying to the US west coast, QF to LAX, SFO and YVR should be enough. I think they could do well in China though, perhaps a route to XIY or CTU out of SYD or MEL
Also see it as too far, and even if you went to San Diego, most going to the US tag on a couple of flights which are often very cheap on a Full Carrier, so suddenly no difference in price.
Ive also been surprised that Jetstar Group hasn't based some 787s in SIN (flown by 3K) to compete with some of Scoot's longer flights into China and India. Could also try AKL base, for AKL-HNL and maybe even AKL-LAX
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There is a rumour going around that Jetstar will be starting a new route within the next 12 months to America with the 787, with it either being Seattle, San Diego or San Jose. Is this a good idea?
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No. Why would anyone have to deal with a 17.3 inch seat with HARDLY any legroom just to save $100? Air Asia has tried (and failed) to do long haul but it just doesn't work with LCCs.
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Can't say I've heard this one, and I struggle to see this happening. Apart from Qantas probably wanting to protect their US market share (there's a lot of Y seats on an A380 to fill and plenty of competition), it just seems 'too far' for JQ right now. Their 787's aren't configured for two meal services and I couldn't see any of these three cities being able to fill that many seats without codeshares from big players. They do have birds to spare but I expect more Chinese mainland routes.
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Scoot does quite a bit of longish-haul LCC flying. And Jetstar does flights to Tokyo... that's 9hrs+
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Scoot does quite a bit of longish-haul LCC flying. And Jetstar does flights to Tokyo... that's 9hrs+
Seattle could work as well, Australia needs a direct connection there, but I'd have thought Qantas mainline would be going for that.
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On their HNL-MEL which is 10:55hrs is it just a meal and snack service?
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I mean like 13hrs +. I couldn't honestly do that. 9 hrs is actually not that much (I have done it) compared with all the long haul routes that Australians have to go on to get places... (like west coast US and Middle East)
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9hr is ok, 2 movies + a nap and you are there. 13hrs is totally different IMO.
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I really don't think JQ needs to be flying to the US west coast, QF to LAX, SFO and YVR should be enough. I think they could do well in China though, perhaps a route to XIY or CTU out of SYD or MEL
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Also see it as too far, and even if you went to San Diego, most going to the US tag on a couple of flights which are often very cheap on a Full Carrier, so suddenly no difference in price.
Ive also been surprised that Jetstar Group hasn't based some 787s in SIN (flown by 3K) to compete with some of Scoot's longer flights into China and India. Could also try AKL base, for AKL-HNL and maybe even AKL-LAX