Perth to London

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GoRobin

Member since 07 May 2020

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rg....I can already see Hunt's carrot rotting right in front of my eyes!

Last editedby GoRobin at Jun 10, 2021, 07:59 PM.

Travellz

Member since 26 Mar 2020

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It's true though while many on here don't want to hear it - the fact is there is no plan to re-open international borders even AFTER the Australian population is vaccinated - several epidemiologists who form part of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee have advised that just because the population is vaccinated doesn't mean borders will re-open and quarantine will cease.

" Vaccines are one of many tools that our public health response will be now able to include which will be in addition to masks, social distancing, hotel quarantine, and lockdowns"

After all Australia like New Zealand is after zero risk and zero covid cases - until that changes which won't be to travel until at least a couple of years at the very least we all better prepare to bunker down in fortress Australia until the majority no longer accept being locked down.


Last editedby Travellz at Jun 10, 2021, 06:10 PM.

GoRobin

Member since 07 May 2020

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Travellz...Very well put and I agree with what you say. Unfortunately, the Health Bureacrats who were never elected and always the underdogs have found the perfect vehicle to rise to prominence and now control our lives. How did we let this happen? Well our elected folk let it happen and there is nothing we can do about it.

Last editedby GoRobin at Jun 10, 2021, 07:53 PM.

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

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GoRobin in both NZ and WA not to mention Qld our elected folk won landslides because they listened to health bureaucrats while Trump lost because he didn’t. Maybe there’s a lesson there.

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

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Originally Posted by Travellz

It's true though while many on here don't want to hear it - the fact is there is no plan to re-open international borders even AFTER the Australian population is vaccinated - several epidemiologists who form part of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee have advised that just because the population is vaccinated doesn't mean borders will re-open and quarantine will cease.

" Vaccines are one of many tools that our public health response will be now able to include which will be in addition to masks, social distancing, hotel quarantine, and lockdowns"

After all Australia like New Zealand is after zero risk and zero covid cases - until that changes which won't be to travel until at least a couple of years at the very least we all better prepare to bunker down in fortress Australia until the majority no longer accept being locked down.


Last editedby Travellz at Jun 10, 2021, 06:10 PM.
Honestly, this is just plain silly. To borrow GoRobin phrase, you are "speculating". You, me, GoRobin or any one else, cannot say that the borders will remain closed or will reopen at any given point. Nor can we say, in what form that will be. You can quote something and I can find something which says otherwise.

The advice is mixed and that most likely is because, I don't know, they've never done this before and don't know how things will pan out...

I suggest you find something more productive than working yourselves up when you can't solve said problem.


hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

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Originally Posted by GoRobin

Hutch ... Of course I am speculating just like you and any other commentator or politician or honourable health bureacrats who now runs Australia. Speculation is not fact. I can't possibly see how Australia could reach an 80% vaccination rate unless the government forced the population to be vaccinated. This would of course go against the Nurenburg Code which no other developed nation has been bold enough to ignore at this time as far as I am aware. But these are unusual times so lets see what knee jerk reactions the health bureacrats are "willing" to follow as you say.

Last editedby GoRobin at Jun 09, 2021, 03:39 PM.
Actually, I was not speculating... I'm all up for intelligent discussion on issues, but there clearly is no point engaging with you for obvious reasons.

GoRobin

Member since 07 May 2020

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"Though... It certainly won't take 24months to vaccinate the "willing" population." ...Your words hutch. Obviously you are the only one here who determines the facts.

Last edited by GoRobin at Jun 10, 08.59 PM.
Last editedby GoRobin at Jun 10, 2021, 09:00 PM.

Travellz

Member since 26 Mar 2020

Total posts 16

Originally Posted by hutch

Originally Posted by Travellz

It's true though while many on here don't want to hear it - the fact is there is no plan to re-open international borders even AFTER the Australian population is vaccinated - several epidemiologists who form part of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee have advised that just because the population is vaccinated doesn't mean borders will re-open and quarantine will cease.

" Vaccines are one of many tools that our public health response will be now able to include which will be in addition to masks, social distancing, hotel quarantine, and lockdowns"

After all Australia like New Zealand is after zero risk and zero covid cases - until that changes which won't be to travel until at least a couple of years at the very least we all better prepare to bunker down in fortress Australia until the majority no longer accept being locked down.


Last editedby Travellz at Jun 10, 2021, 06:10 PM.
Honestly, this is just plain silly. To borrow GoRobin phrase, you are "speculating". You, me, GoRobin or any one else, cannot say that the borders will remain closed or will reopen at any given point. Nor can we say, in what form that will be. You can quote something and I can find something which says otherwise.

The advice is mixed and that most likely is because, I don't know, they've never done this before and don't know how things will pan out...

I suggest you find something more productive than working yourselves up when you can't solve said problem.


Hutch - I wasn't getting worked up just stating the facts and that is "currently" there is no road map for what a vaccinated Australia looks like (that is fact unless there is one - which I would be more than happy to see).

Don't get me wrong I have actually been in support and have agreed with the position of closed borders which has allowed us to live a relatively restriction-free life domestically - but what I don't agree with is the lack of urgency and lack of forward vision with re-opening AFTER the Australian population has been vaccinated (or had the opportunity to be vaccinated).

Is it safe to re-open the border in the next week or in the new several months - absolutely not - I don't dispute that one bit!

But is it not reasonable to consider opening up the national debate on whether Australians think we should re-open AFTER the country has been vaccinated at some point or do we continue with the current strategy long term?

I myself have actually adapted to no travel overseas and my desire to go is no longer really there so for me having closed borders has no impact on me personally as all my family lives in Australia and in Queensland but I do worry for the longer term impact on Australians who have families and connections overseas.




Last editedby Travellz at Jun 10, 2021, 11:55 PM.

XWu

Member since 09 May 2020

Total posts 98

To answer the OP’s question it is “safe” to assume that if you want to travel PER to UK even via a green zone stopover like SIN at the time of booking, the situation is fluid all the time and WA, Singapore or UK, can have a spike at the time of actual travel so there is really no point in expecting quarantine free travel in that direction short of planning for the flight a few days ahead of the departure date.

And the premium associated with short notice air fares during these times is going to be excessively higher than pre-COVID years.

Worse, I am guessing even with travel bubble happening (if/when) between SIN and Australian, any return journey from UK via green zone countries or bubble cities with probably require minimum 14 days at those stopover cities which mean you still pay another 14 days worth of accomodation and meals at these stopover cities which is not much difference in term of costs but with more freedom of movement at these stopover but risk of suspension of bubble and being caught out by it

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