Qantas orders six more Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners

By David Flynn, May 2 2018

Qantas will today announce an order for six more Boeing 787-9 jets, bringing the total red-tailed Dreamliner fleet to 14 in number.

The first of these additional 787-9s is due to arrive in late 2019, with a rapid delivery of all six by mid-to-late 2020 – just in time for the airline's 100th anniversary in 2020.

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce tips that with the new Dreamliners "we’ll be looking at destinations in the Americas, Asia, South Africa and Europe."

Paris and Germany have already been pencilled in as likely European destinations.

Read: London done, now Qantas eyes non-stop flights to Paris

The six new Boeing 787-9s will sport the same seating and configuration as the first eight.

Dreamliners in, jumbos out

These additional Dreamliners will allow Qantas to retire its remaining ten Boeing 747-400 jumbo jets by the end of 2020.

Qantas currently flies the ageing and fuel-thirsty jumbo jets to the USA (and seasonally to Vancouver), Asia, South America and South Africa, with some of those routes to be taken over by the Boeing 787 and others handed across to Airbus A330s.

"This really is the end of one era and the start of another," Joyce remarked.

"The jumbo has been the backbone of Qantas International for more than 40 years and we’ve flown almost every type that Boeing built. It’s fitting that its retirement is going to coincide with our centenary in 2020."

“By the end of 2020 we’ll have farewelled the 747, finished upgrading the cabins of our A380s, and welcomed our fourteenth 787."

The airline has not advised where the new Dreamliners will be based; the first order of eight jets was split four-each between Melbourne and Brisbane.

Is this the sweet spot for Qantas' Boeing 787 fleet?

Qantas' second tranche of Boeing 787s is drawn from a total 'orders and options' book of some 45 Dreamliners, although the airline is not expected to take up all of those due to changes in where it will use the Boeing 787s.

The size of the initial order, which stretches back to 2005, reflected Qantas’ intention to have the Boeing 787 replace the Airbus A330 on domestic routes.

However, Joyce has previously told Australian Business Traveller that he no longer plans to put the Boeing 787 onto domestic routes.

"Our thinking has evolved... while the 787 as with the A330 are pretty powerful they are over-spec'd" for domestic flights, "so the economics do not work."

Instead, Qantas will revamp its domestic fleet from the mid-2020s with either the advanced Boeing 737 MAX or the Airbus A320neo and the yet-to-be-built mid-sized Boeing 797, which would also pick up some flights into south-east Asia.

Read: Qantas CEO increasingly bullish on the Boeing 797

David

David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

17 Sep 2015

Total posts 391

As usual, QF way behind many other airlines that have younger fleets in some instances, and better service on board from staff who really want to serve passengers, particularly the multitude of Asian airlines like CX JL KE OZ PR SQ.

B789 in Y is 'nightmareliner.'

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09 May 2011

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Helpful comment and really adds such value. Thanks...

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28 Apr 2013

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Crew are not there to ‘serve’ passengers. They are there to provide a service. There is a difference.

01 Mar 2018

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Service, the service on QF is declining so fast soon we will not need FAs
Oh come on that's just ridiculous. I've done Qantas business class on international flights and the service is perfectly acceptable and competitive. The food is a bit better than Cathay for one (Tosca is a great restaurant but the Tosca-branded Octopus Terrine that Cathay served me on a flight from HK was basically the food equivalent of the Necronomicon, and had sufficient tentacles to live up to that reputation), and they have pajamas on night flights from Asia which is pretty rare. The booze is absolutely at the Business Class standard and the newer lounges are very nice and competitive.

01 Mar 2018

Total posts 8

Well perhaps you should explore a few more forums. Try QF FB and have a nice long read through there and see the Neli Perry food reviews and perhaps have a look at some of the photos of what people have been served or nor served on Dom and Inter.
I don't need to explore a few more forums. I've eaten quite a bit of Qantas food. Is it "truffles and foie gras", no of course not, but Neil Perry's food is perfectly good. Modern Australian is a nice cuisine. Would I prefer classic French bistro? In some cases yes. But Qantas is not the flag carrier of France, and Neil's food is perfectly nice.

01 Mar 2018

Total posts 8

Just type in "Qantas food Tripadvisor" and select the bad food reviews section.

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04 Jun 2015

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I'll take my experience over random trip adviser reviews. Qantas is perfectly acceptable food in J. Better than BA, CX, AA, LATAM, IB. Perhaps there is better around but its only airline food its never going to be that good.

01 Mar 2018

Total posts 8

Same here here I will take my experience as well. All I am saying is that in my recent experience and opinion the quality has declined. You are fortunate that you may had hit a good day which can happen on any airline.

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29 Jul 2013

Total posts 209

Wow! I must be hitting jackpot then with my 15+ annual flights in First and Business on QF when I get served food that is definitely worthy of and competitive with other carriers respective class of travel. I've been eating meals at the front end on QF, SQ, CX, JL, EK, EY, QR, BA, IB, LH, AF, AA, DL and others for many years and with such butt-numbing regularity that I feel confident in saying I have not seen a deterioration in the standards of QF meals.

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20 Nov 2017

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"Perfectly acceptable." Damned by faint praise.

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07 Aug 2013

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You can type that in for any product or service on trip advisor and there will always be someone’s negative comments and review.

28 Nov 2012

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They are not flight attendants (FA), they are cabin crew and their primary function is for your safety, as is the flight crew and ground crew. The way they provide in flight service is secondary and QF is pretty awesome at both. In the early days QF cabin crew had to be qualified nurses

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07 Aug 2013

Total posts 55

I have had great service on qantas flights - but sometimes it’s hit and miss have had some grumpy ones too! And they weren’t that old...however the best service for me has always been competitor airlines VA, SQ and EY. Always consistent

04 Dec 2013

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Interesting attitude...

BA would disagree - their motto is "to fly, to serve". Maybe they're an exception?

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28 Apr 2013

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I just meant that treating crew with respect and as the professionals they are is better than expecting to be served. I find that good customer service is as much about the way I treat staff as it is the other way around.

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15 Aug 2012

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Not a well informed comment. Qantas Fleet is actually quite new, what distorts the average aircraft age is the fleet of 20 717’s they operate which are suited for there purpose.

It will be a sad day however when we no longer see the red kangaroo on a 747. There’s no doubt this aircraft opened a work of possibilities to Australian travelers.

02 May 2018

Total posts 2

Actually, it appears your comment is the not well informed one. Qantas excludes its regional aircraft from its fleet age calculation.
AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

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Quite right, the avaergae age is 10.6 years which is made worse by the 747’s which average 17 years.

Now if one were to consider that the avaerge aircraft has a ln effective service life of 20-25 years then a fleet average of 10.6 is quite reasonable.

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15 Aug 2012

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That’s exactly right, Qantas does exclude the 717, but claims of the fleet being old like above are being incorrectly made such as a recent S&P report was found to include the 717 in there calculations which distorts the fleet age. An average fleet age of 10.6 with the aging 747’s about to be retired is not an a bad spot to be in.

But go ahead and support the comments that has over 60 negative likes.


02 May 2018

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It's stated in the S&P report that they calculate fleet age as per each carrier's measure of age....so they calculate age the way Qantas has.

Additionally, lets not dress this mutton up as lamb. The 717 and 747 only make up 10% of the fleet.

28 Nov 2012

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Speaking of the 717, when and what will replace them? More Q400's? or the C series?
AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

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That of course is the million dollar question. But whilst these aircraft are cheap to own and to operate and that there is no real equivalent replacement, I think you will find them around for some years to come.

01 May 2015

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As the CEO of Hawaiian airlines said in a recent article their is not a plane for sale now or on the drawing board to replace the 717 which by plane standards has a very robust frame Hawaiian do upto 18 cycles a day and that is what deternands a planes life cycle

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

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Traveller and which of those including QF is most profitable CX and SQ are both in quite deep holes. Not sure about the others but I am sure they are not right up there.

17 Sep 2015

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A key difference though is that CX and SQ do not have domestic routes as such. I accept that CX is operating from SAR to mainland China, so some may regard that as 'domestic' but it's not like what in recent months has settled down to become a more cosy duopoly in Australia (bearing in mind that the LCcs are subsidiaries of QF and VA.)

QFi has not been QF's biggest 'profit centre.' I haven't looked at how many billions in assets are tied up in it but it may not be achieving a high rate of return.

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06 Sep 2012

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Makes a big difference when your biggest source of revenue is a domestic market where you own 65% market share and 90% of profits. South East Asia has become one of the most cutthroat intense markets to compete and the fact that SQ is still able to make more profit than the other carriers in the region (even more than QF international) with a higher cost base than their competitors shows that they are doing extremely well considering the circumstances.
AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 514

I agree with the nightmare liner title but of course no different to almost all 787 operators.

As for the rest of your comment as a regular traveller I couldn’t disagree more. Qantas as others have pointed out have a reasonable fleet age (not airlines have the ability to roll aircraft over to meet the perceptions of age from clients). Their product whilst not THE best is pretty good and competitive. Food is good, yeah there are negative reports but think you will find that most companies have significantly more negative reviews than positive as that’s how people operate. And service, yeah can be a bit laid back but frankly that is representative of us as Australians and I much prefer that over the faux robotic service you get on Asian airlines or the over the top nonsense from the ME3.

13 Sep 2016

Total posts 184

Any credence which this argument may have is diminished by using juvenile terms like 'Nightmareliner'.

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17 Jul 2013

Total posts 20

Easy to solve, Qantas, drop a seat in each row and go back to original seating config of 2-4-2. Then it will become Dreamliner again.

01 May 2015

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and go broke

17 Sep 2015

Total posts 391

I'm not usually a fan of such terms but it was a simple way to refer to the very narrow seats in Y that are found on almost all airlines with this aircraft. Unlike JL, QF has chosen not to be more generous in seat width in Y to passengers.

Lots of comments on Internet about travellers are choosing other aircraft in Y and actively avoiding the B789s.

Contrary to what one might think, many business travellers use Y, especially on medium haul trips to north and southeast Asia. So it's a big consideration.

02 Dec 2016

Total posts 84

Spot on. I've worked in technology my whole career. Almost every company I know - large and small, mandate economy right up to director level. In the multi-nationals, VPs get business.
I can assure any airline that even though my PA books my flights with AMEX.... I scan the schdedules, airlines and aircraft and make the selections.
Plus your long serving economy customer today will be your business customer in the future (hopefully :) )

24 Oct 2010

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Traveller12: we're well aware that many business travellers fly economy, however for several reasons (including positioning and differentiating the AusBT brand) our primary focus remains on premium cabins, centred on business class and extending up to first class and down to premium economy.

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06 Nov 2014

Total posts 340

No doubt QF will need more of 787s. A fleet of only 14 is still relatively small compare with other airlines, especially QF doesn't have 777. For QF to consider new routes and retiring 747 at the same time (and ultimately A380), they'll need at least 30 787s IMO. Of course less than that if they take delivery of 777-max.

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09 May 2011

Total posts 335

I'm sure they know what they're doing

02 May 2018

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does no one remember this is the same airline that cancelled, delayed it's opening orders of 787s and then slung the ones they had to take across to Jetstar? or the fact they abandoned Perth for many years in becoming the "east coast airline"

12 Feb 2014

Total posts 228

All exceptionally good business decisions by Joyce that has Qantas ready to post a billion plus dollars in profit. Very few airlines can say the same.

24 Oct 2010

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Not all Boeing 747s will be swapped out for Boeing 787s, and the replacement for the Airbus A380 is more likely to be the likes of the Boeing 777X.

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28 Jul 2016

Total posts 108

Great and expected news! Maybe these will serve Paris and Frankfurt?
6 787s to replace 10 747s? Something's fishy...

05 May 2016

Total posts 526

Some routes the 747 flies on are well within the range of an A330. Indeed some routes have both 747 and A330 on them at the moment depending on where the demand is. Those routes will likely switch to A330 only.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

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This means a full switch of the A330s from domestic as there are only so many to go around.

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17 Aug 2012

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Joyce has recently made noises about the 332s being too much plane for domestic hops. I would expect to see more of them to move to international.

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26 May 2014

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There wont be 10 747s by the time these additional 6 787-9s arrive. Most likely 6, however even 6 787-9s for 6 747s is a large reduction in seat count. Further how can they be 747 replacements and support new route development at the same time ?
QF are chasing yield over market share, so a net reduction in seat count isn't a huge problem for them. In addition, they can upgauge through frequency... SYD - SCL/JNB/YVR are likely to become more frequent, even daily services rather than the 3-times-weekly or seasonal services currently operated... and this in turn helps boost yield since business travelers like daily-or-greater frequencies.

02 May 2018

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Agree Gregxl. I can see Qantas yields increasing in this configuration

12 Dec 2012

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It isn't 6 to replace 10, it's 6 to replace 6. The first 8 787s are meant to bring the 747 fleet down to the 6 ERs.

01 May 2015

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Can you read 14 787s to replace 10 747s

05 May 2016

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I expect the SYD-SFO 747 will be replaced with a 787 unless QF is able to put an A380 or some other large aircraft on the route.

If QF goes with the 787 for SYD-SFO, perhaps with greatly reduced capacity out of SYD, QF will be able to increase MEL-SFO services to daily or close to daily.

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18 May 2011

Total posts 220

Doesn't Qantas have ETOPS issues to consider when flying the 787s to South Africa & South America?
Something about CASA only approving twin engines for 180mins?
Or has that restriction been relaxed?

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17 Jul 2013

Total posts 20

787 engine issue only related to 787 that is fitted with Trent 1000 engine. QF 787-9 and Jetstar 787-8 both uses GENx engine. So they are not effect with ETOPS rating.

31 Mar 2014

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That is completely incorrect. Yes, FAA has reduced ETOPS on Trent1000 engines. However CASA does not allow ETOPS above 180, which seriously hinders 787 operations for Australian carriers to Africa and South America. The 787 is rated for ETOPS 330

11 Dec 2015

Total posts 82

With LATAM and others flying >ETOPS180 into Australia, I suspect if nothing changes here soon, Qantas will lobby the government and CASA will be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age

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17 Jul 2013

Total posts 20

AUSBT just announced QF to fly A330 on PER-JNB in Dec 2018. Soo the EDTO/ETOPS must be approved.

Didn't VA fly MEL-JNB on the 77W? That would be ETOPSing?

31 Mar 2014

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Sydney to Johannesburg tracks significantly more south than from Perth, often skating along Antarctica. When Virgin flew from Melbourne, they had to add around 2-3hours to the journey due to ETOPS 180 restrictions and flying further north.

12 Dec 2012

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Qantas has yet to announce that route.
The information about it has came, first from a test entry in the GDS, then from an internal QF source AusBT has.

There is reportedly an debate happening between PER airport and QF about which terminal the proposed PER-JNB flight will use. QF wants it with their other flights, using the new international wing QF9/10 uses. The airport wants it on the other side of the airfield with all the other non QF international flights.

West coast routing to JNB dips slightly into 330 areas, no where near as much as the east coast routes do. It would add about 10-15 minutes flight time to stay within ETOPS240 and around 60 minutes to stay within ETOPS180.

The VA MEL-JNB flight had to add upwards of 3 hours.

12 Dec 2012

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The 787 and A330 have ETOPS type ratings of 330 and 240. CASA also needs to give Qantas an operator rating, CASA won't approve more then 180. Thus, even though QF has aircraft that can be used up to ETOPS330, they can't use that capabity because CASA won't let them.

The Southern Ocean routes need at least ETOPS240 to be viable.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

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Himeno I can see South Africa going via Perth on a A332 maybe twice a day on some days and South America maybe dropped unless there is enough demand for a A380. All due to ETOPS.

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07 Aug 2013

Total posts 55

Can’t see a double daily - but makes more sense to fly South Africa from

Perth and pick up passengers from

east coast and fly them in the general direction anyway.

17 Sep 2015

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QF load factors to and from Chile were very good in February 2018. Don't know about yields, though.

Surely it's an expanding market. Brazillian students studying here, many travellers wanting to see the wonders of South America, a growing middle class in nations like Chile...

12 Feb 2014

Total posts 228

I’ve flown Santiago a

couple of times in J and PE. Typically filled with mining execs. BHP has some big interests in South America.

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10 Dec 2014

Total posts 45

South America has been getting very high loads and from what I heard, decent yields as well. There is talk of additional destinations in South America so I don't think we will see the axing of SCL, but instead CASA having a change in policy.

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11 Dec 2016

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If CASA do loosen the restrictions, maybe we might get direct flights to Rio with the 787.

I think that would be a popular destination if it was possible, there's a lot of Brazilians living in Oz (I think mainly Sydney).

I guess if the SCL route was upgraded, as 2 787's would likely be needed to replace the SCL single 747. So one flight could do SCL and one to RIO.

29 Aug 2013

Total posts 60

Sorry but this is incorrect. CASA updated the EDTO rules in January 2015 - CAAP 82-1 allows EDTO operations above 180 minute diversion time.

Qantas will get this when they need it. The current 787 flights (to LHR and LAX) using the 4 frames will provide the evidence of operations to EDTO standard meaning it would be granted when requested.

Further, any aircraft regardless of propulsion count needed EDTO approval for diversion above 180 mins from July 2015. Hence the 747’s to SCL and JNB already operate under these provisions.

Qantas know what they are doing with these twins. They know how to operate twins on long and increasingly longer sectors thanks to the A330’s and now 787’s and the regulator will support based on solid evidence. CASA took its time allowing EDTO above 180 so we can all be confident in the correct application of a safety margin for long haul twin engine operations. To suggest anything other than this being the case is simply wrong.

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20 Sep 2013

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It appears Joyce has an easier path to board approval for aircraft purchases then his predecessors.to little to late for this carrier.these aircraft will out of date like AJ and before they get the last on the books 787.

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20 Sep 2013

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While a newer aircraft this is a significant downgrade in capacity across all cabins compared to the 747.congrats Qantas and good luck with any upgrades.

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02 Jun 2015

Total posts 31

Brisbane will actually have increased capacity across the Pacific once the 747 is changed to the 787 double-daily flights. Also, I now won’t have to get the crazy early 5:50 am flight from North QLD to connect in Brisbane.

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26 Nov 2012

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When I first opened this article I immediately scrolled down to see what the first comment was......LOL.....I was expecting something about it being sad news that we're losing the 747.

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20 Sep 2013

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24 Apr 2012

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Not quite double daily reno but 11 times per week with all 787s from December.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/qantas-boeing-787-brisbane-los-angeles-new-york-flights-start-sept

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26 May 2014

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Not quite two daily. With the next batch of 787s there will be two BNE-LAX on 4 days of the week.

12 Dec 2012

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At least until they decide on other routes to North America, pending the joint venture with AA getting approved.

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02 Jun 2015

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No, I’m not nuts. You’re rude...

QF15/16 and QF55/56

Try fact checking before you insult people.

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02 Jun 2015

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11 a week - is still better than once a day and having to get the really early connection.
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21 Jan 2014

Total posts 225

Will have to get my stuff sorted and get on a 747 before they go, never been on one so I would regret not flying on the most influential aircraft of the modern era once they are gone.

28 Nov 2012

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They are comfy and big but really noisy

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11 Dec 2016

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David: Typo with the excerpt of Joyce's comments.


"However, Joyce has previously told Australian Business Traveller that he longer plans to put the Boeing 787 onto domestic routes."

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09 Sep 2013

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Looks like CityRail should stick to his trains..

He appears to know nothing about 747s or aircraft in general.

Joe
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03 May 2013

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Maybe they’ll bring in hi fly after their finished with NZ with their A340 for SCL and JNB :))
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03 May 2013

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Ooops: They’re *

30 Apr 2015

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Can I ask, I see lots of comments about 2-4-2 seating and with nearly 700 of them built how many airlines actually have a 2-4-2 config. I know ANA did have this but was told that they are converting to 3-3-3 to enable more seats, as much as you might not like it, Nine across V's Eight Across, if it was your business, what would you do if it gives you a better payload???

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 938

The 787 was designed for 8 across. Adding a 9th seat to each row narrows the seats and reduces possible range.

Both ANA and JAL, the first airlines to get 787s, installed 8 across. Every other airline has gone with 9 across.
ANA has converted theirs to 9 across, JAL hasn't.

Passengers don't like 9 across 787s because it causes the economy seats to be narrower then the seats on simliar sized aircraft.

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17 Jul 2013

Total posts 20

It is just like the 777 it was design for the 3-3-3 configuration. Far bit of airline now are re-configuring their airline to 3-4-3.

Normal A330 has a 2-4-2 configuration some of the major low cost airline in Asia now have them configured in a 3-3-3.

There been rumors of A380 going from a 3-4-3 to a 3-5-3.

Would be interesting to see if QF9/QF10 are load restricted, like the QF7/8 A380 to dallas and back. If so would be more wiser to put in 2-4-2 and have nicer looking load factors.

01 Mar 2018

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Yes the reviews are becoming quite negative on long haul the QF 9, 10, plenty about it on QF FB

06 Jan 2017

Total posts 7

Love this aircraft.

QF

11 Jul 2014

Total posts 298

I've heard rumours of new ETOPS rule coming out wouldn't that favour the 747, and Qantas biggest problem is parents giving there children free business class trips using points and those kids then complaining about the quality of service compared to other airlines. Parents then opting for those other airlines

24 Apr 2017

Total posts 4

PER to Britain or anywhere such as France Germany involving long hours in a cramped and very narrow Economy seat is going to leave them open to potential legal action for avoiding the safety aspect (deep vein thrombosis). And, Qantas would get more sales growth if they could answer this vexing question. The 787 is a short term solution for them but not the long term answer.


03 Dec 2015

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Re 789s with 9-abreast seating, earlier this month flew Auckland-Christchurch on NZ and found it very uncomfortable with extremely narrow arm-rests, tight seats (and I'm slim!) and when the person in front reclined, the seat-back screen was almost in my face. This was only an hour's flight and I can imagine that after one experience flying in this seating configuration many people will choose a different plane, especially for extreme long-haul routes like PER-LON. If QF was looking to market PER-Europe flights as premium services, they need to move to 2-4-2 in Y.

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21 Jan 2017

Total posts 49

I once tried the ANA 789 in Y, it was very very uncomfortable and I am just a short asian.

PER-LHR in QF Y would be quite a nightmare.

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28 Feb 2017

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what happen to existing A380s on orders?

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 938

Still 8 A380s on order and 4 options. Very unlikely to be delivered. Likely to be converted to A320NEOs (which when combined with existing Qantas Group A320 orders could replace all the narrow bodies in use by QF and JQ), or some form of A350 (should QF deem it better then the 777X for Project Sunrise).

17 Sep 2015

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Himeno, do you mean 'A320neos' or larger 'A321neos?' Is there any reason apart from cost and lack of demand that they wouldn't increase capacity by ordering the A321s not just A320s?
AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

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Whilst A320 is a specific aircraft it is also the name for a family of aircraft and is often used interchangeably.

12 Dec 2012

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Firming up more 787 orders isn't a surprise. That was quite expected.

Getting rid of the 747ERs in 2020 is quite surprising. They were expected to still be around at least until 2022, if not through 2025.
Still, they could always change their minds about that again.

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18 May 2017

Total posts 17

Well, QF can order as many 787 "dreamliners" as they really want, but I certainly will NOT fly in one of them... I will do a 777 or A380 for long-haul, but will not go in any 787 "dreamliner". No way.

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07 Aug 2013

Total posts 55

Is that economy only or would not care if it was business?

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18 May 2017

Total posts 17

There are many reports of those already have flown inside them, even on short haul, who say that economy is very uncomfortable, but this aside, there are other reasons I will not fly inside a 787, no matter what cabin class selected.

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 91

The 787's will do for now to open new routes and replace the 747's until bigger longer reaching aircraft come in. They will supplement the A380's for the time being on long haul. I can't see QF ordering all the 45 787's (maybe more for JQ) or the 8 A380's on order

04 Dec 2017

Total posts 29

Airbus rules for long and ultra-long haul; specifically the A380 and A350. They are the two best aircraft for least noise and atmospherics. The 787 even with Genex cant compete with the A350. The A350 is also superior in its cabin size and configuration, esp in Y.

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 91

I do remember when I worked for them in the 80's QANTAS had an entire 747 fleet (before the TAA/AUSTRALIAN domestic Merger) it was super exciting when they got the 767's, it was such a good aircraft. Looking forward to the 797 if it eventuates

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02 May 2018

Total posts 1

Really going to miss 3E/3F, best seats anywhere ever in my view and not likely to be repeated.

But has to happen. Entertainment failure; seat recline failure; cupboard door in front of my fav seats falling off in turbulence. All recent (< 12 mths) events on QF15/16 which are my most regular flights. The old girls are no longer young and beautiful. (PC incorrect but describing an emotion; hope that not censored!)

jed
jed

14 Feb 2015

Total posts 2

I'm not sure what the big deal is..These old bombs need to be put out to pastures, like some of there crew..!

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

07 Aug 2013

Total posts 55

I’m not really fussed about the Dreamliner. If flying economy I will go out of my way to avoid being on a 9 abreast 787. VA and DL have 9 abreast on a 777 I imagine an extra inch or 2 makes a comfortable difference.

Have done only once the 787 on Etihad and I was so squashed for a 10hr flight. Did manage to fall asleep but remember waking up so hot, dehydrated and sweating. Personally, the only excitement out of this announcement is potential new routes and being a Perth local more direct connections to Europe the better for economy etc. I read an article the QF PER-LHR flights are always full in premium cabins. I might have thought a chance on future b787 orders to increase premium cabin seating.

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 91

The latest 3-4-3 in Y that many are doing is also pretty crap

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 91

How many seats would QF loose in Y if they moved to 2-4-2, I think about 20. that's quite a bit of revenue isn't it?

15 Jan 2013

Total posts 37

I have taken eight business class flights on QANTAS in the last five years and would say 4 have been very good to excellent and four have been poor to appalling service.

After one flight I lodged an official complaint about the service provided by one of the staff.


I think a 50% strike rate is just too high when forking out hard earned cash for business class. I will be flying again later this year as part of a very competitive Finnair fare, but would never choose to fly all the way to Europe paying the premium price QANTAS charges for the Kangaroo Route.

My impression is that QANTAS is a company just doesn't care enough anymore about providing consistently great service.

Any word on whether QANTAS will fix their 787 PE pitch which was received such negative reviews?

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 May 2014

Total posts 403

Over 100 comments on this announcement and this is first mention of the PE lack of leg room! I recently flew MEL-PER in PE on a domestic 787-9 service. I was impressed by everything about the PE product, with the exception that for me at 6ft 5inches tall it seemed about as cramped as a generous Y seat when seats were reclined. I won’t be considering it for future long haul travel unless it is improved.

04 May 2018

Total posts 24

Wow amazed that you didn't get howled down here for those comments but IMHO tend to agree with what you have said as its been my personal experience also with inconsistent service. 50% SR not good.

04 May 2018

Total posts 24

How was the Neil Perry inspired food.

21 Aug 2015

Total posts 90

10 years late!..............I prefer to fly the 350.........

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 408

I expect the next announcement late next year or late 2020 at the time of the 100 year anniversary will be for a bunch 787-10s to replace the 10 A333s, when they reach their 20 year lifespan, from 2022 for Asian regional services, . I would prefer the A359 for this, but it won't happen.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 May 2014

Total posts 403

That could depend on Project Sunrise, in that an A350 ULR choice could result in wider use of the A350. Presumably some of the 787 options can be taken as 10s, so this would seem likely to be the best deal for QF.

BA Gold

01 Apr 2012

Total posts 151

Getting rid of old 747 'gas guzzlers' doesn't ALWAYS make sense. BA still has a huge fleet (50-ish) of the jet and will remain in the fleet for some time yet. Why? Because although their operating costs are obviously higher they are owned outright. New 787's etc do not come cheap. The purchasing/leasing fees have to be weighed up against the operating savings.

The other interesting thing to note is the customer comfort on the 747. BA's highest 'aircraft customer satisfaction' rating is not for the A380 or 787....it's for the refurbished 747's.

BA's 747's will begin to be replaced by A350's in Q3 next year but BA is in no rush and just last month announced more 747's will get refurbished cabins so they can fly longer.

And as crew I can tell you i'd rather work on the 747 ANYYY day than the A380 or 787. The newer aircraft are basically designed to fit as many seats in as possible. Galleys are made as small and unpleasant to work in as possible, there tends to be lower toilet:bathroom ratios, less 'room' in general.

Long live the 747 I say!

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

anyone remember the QANTAS A300'S INHERITED FROM AUSTRALIAN.2x4x2 configuration.in fact Years later I WENT ON THEIR A330 ADELAIDE TO SINGAPORE same kind of configuration and loved it.what were they thinking with the 9 across configuration.what might work trans tasman or to the west coast of america or asia or even noumea services on the 787's is terrible to uk or europe.
mo
mo

22 Dec 2012

Total posts 37

The 787 is a good plane but far too tight in Qantas configuration (3-3-3) for long haul travel. The A380, A330 and 747 are better in this regard.

In terms of customer experience, this is a step backwards. Unless you're a sardine.

22 Jan 2018

Total posts 64

Not sure Of the benefit of flying to non oneworld hubs like Paris and Frankfurt. Can’t they just use the new 787s to open another daily to London? I’m sure the premium load is there if so many Far eastern and middle eastern carriers fly several times a day to various Australian cities.
AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 514

Whole idea of a 787 sized aircraft is to fly point to point, not point to hub.

The ME3 and the likes of CX, TG, SQ etc fly from Australia to hubs hence the multiple flights and larger aircraft.

With London in particular I am certain Qantas could do with some more flights and capacity, but the airline game is about maximizing profit with the resources available and that are affordable.

AT
AT

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Sep 2012

Total posts 264

I love and always will love the 744, but having flown it recently it is a little but like Noah's Ark. Things have to change and evolve and great to see Qantas evolving with this new fleet. But something that no other aircraft will ever ever in my eyes be able to match "747 will always be a miracle".

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

24 Apr 2018

Total posts 3

Unless CASA approves an EDTO 330 I can see SYD-JNB getting dropped in favour of SYD-PER-JNB! Especially if they get to use the new transit lounge.
Just another view on B787 3-3-3 configuration, I haven't been on a Qantas 787 in y yet but had been on a few other airlines B787, (short & long haul), and found the 3-3-3 entirely comfortable for y. I am definitely not on the slim size.

Flew SCL-AKL-SYD on Latam 787 in y not that long ago and it was better experience than some, the headroom,big windows certainly made the different compare to a A330.

In case if anyone wondering, I had been in F and J more frequently than y.

In Australia, whether you are a MP or a successful banker, a chef or a school teacher, your social status is no higher or lower than cabin crew members.

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