Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 29 Nov 2013
Total posts 446
Member since 12 Apr 2013
Total posts 870
Short answer - I do not know. Situation is awful for QF and I blaming our government with their craze about privatization and deregulation. Instead of opening our market to everyone and now having difficulties to compete with them purely because our living standards (and therefore cost of our labor) one of the highest in the world they should protect our market, our companies, our workforce and future of our kids. They should develop some mechanism that allow Australian-base carriers carry as least 50% of passengers to/from Australia instead of being proud of miserable 16% or so carried by QF especially considering that half of those 16% used EK metal.And no, I cannot see it in the way you do. QF does not offer me "one hop to most Europeans cities" - indeed EK does. If EK would not fly to Australia at all (like AY for example) and all traffic to DXB was carried by QF, then yes, I would agree that this is good agreement for QF and then yes I would agree that it actually QF offers those mythical one hop. But in reality EK has by far more flight than QF and fly to cities (our cities!!!) where QF does not fly at all (Perth for example) plus serving our capital cities better (2 flights to MEL while 1 by QF). So as far as I can see this is EK who offering me "one hop" and indeed if I am happy to fly them "DXB-MXP" then I would buy ticket from them and will fly "MEL-DXB" with them also.
If such picking is ONLY your arguments then what we discussing here?All original quotes in the beginning of the thread was done by dummy booking MEL-MXP in the middle of November.Then discussion revolves about why QF love EK that much and do not use say AY when it can be used very effectively like flight MEL-HEL (Helsinki, not Milan!!!). This has NOTHING to do to original statement and to illustrate my POV I quoted dummy booking +14 days. If you see HUGE flaws here and believe that relationship QF-AY strictly seasonal then please have a look at dummy booking in the middle of November to be "fair" on points that has nothing in common.
Member since 30 Dec 2014
Total posts 25
Serg, just to clarify - as per the BITRE website for FY16 Qantas' ex-AU international market share was 16.2% of all operated seats. (The 15.9% stat relates to actual passengers carried). This does not include codeshares and relates to the operating airline only, so QF metal. Emirates operated some 3 million seats less in/out of AU for the same period.
Member since 24 Jan 2017
Total posts 26
Clearly, Jetstar/Qantas failed their customer service in this situation. I dont understand those who defend the airline. You're contributing to the culture of poor customer service in this country. I like Qantas and more than happy to inform them about their pitfalls. It will make them better and more competetive.
Originally Posted by Speak :
I do not care about the fact that EK does not do much traffic from Australia to USA. However I do care how much EK does vs QF from Australia to DXB (and consecutively to Europe) and obviously EK beats QF to the dust.Similarly I do not care how much traffic SQ doing from Australia to DXB, but indeed I like to compare QF to SQ on Australia-SIN routes.Frankly all such comparison far from being favorable for QF.And last, but not least. I am sure that all traffic to NZ counts and this is plainly ridiculous to me because IMHO it is regional traffic, though AJ will insist that it is international one because it makes numbers look better. Moreover I suspect that they count some JQ traffic and it is fine by me, but it not exactly QF.
New Zealand is an independent Commonwealth and fully recognized as such....
Jesus Christ! And who EVER disputed this statement? I just fail to see how it is possible to compile "statistic" with mixture of 14hr+8hr flight on A380 to Europe and 3hr hop in B737 across Tasman. But I guess one can figure out average temperature of patients in hospital too and on basis that one hospital has lower average temperature conclude that it is better hospital. Though there is a catch - you may count too many corpses in morgue in hospital with "better" temperature and those corpses will be "compensated" by number of patients that close to death with abnormally high temperature. IMHO this is exactly what happens with Qantas statistics.I am not intend to pollute this forum anymore because it is clear that we will not agree. So lets agree to disagree and lets each of us keep own POV.Have a good day.PS===================
I have a look at your statistic and this is what I figured.
Shares for 2016 by major airports:
Adelaide: EK-25%, SQ-21%, MH-12%, QF Ã¢â¬â No Data
Brisbane: VA-21%, QF-17%, EK-14% (best guess because LAX
Darwin: QF Ã¢â¬â No Data, rest shared among JetStars, Silk,
Indonesia, Malaysia and Philippines
Melbourne: QF-14%, JQ-13%, EK11%
Perth: SQ-14%, EK-11%, (many others), QF-2%
Sydney: QF-24%, EK-8% and lots of small percentage
And you call this statistic appealing? Two major cities
(Adelaide and Perth) solely relay on EK for Europe traffic and SQ for Asia one.
Why the heck then they should call Qantas Ã¢â¬ÅNational Flag CarrierÃ¢â¬Â?
At the risk of this comment being sin binned IÃ¢â¬â¢m going to say it anyway.ÃÂ
Go and read AusBTÃ¢â¬â¢s community post guidelines - your comments over the last few days have beenÃÂ rude, mis-informed,ÃÂ belligerent, applying Donald Trump-like alternative truths, and in many cases seeking only to be argumentative, and patentlyÃÂ non-constructive to many if not all AusBT contributors. ÃÂ
Member since 13 Jul 2012
Total posts 151
The only remaining factor here that Qantas is playing on is its frequent flyer points.
Australian public has an infatuation with these precious Qantas points - whether they are really as valuable is a whole other matter.
This seems to me as one possibly last trump card that keeps Qantas in play when it comes to Qantas/Emirates relationship.
I agree that all of this is very sad.
"Does Qantas really want me to fly with them?"
Sure, except they have no aircraft and no resources to fly you.
So if you pretty please put $9300 on the table, they will make sure Emirates accommodates you.
Member since 03 May 2013
Total posts 124
Even at the lowest fare bucket, in any class, QF is NEARLY ALWAYS more expensive, unless they are having a sale.
Member since 30 Jun 2017
Total posts 9
Serg - I agree with your sentiment on supporting the national carrier and Australian jobs. I do think that the CX product is very good too. So difficult to justify the extra expense.
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