Qantas 787-9 confirmed and potential routes from Brisbane

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QantasFlyer

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So there'll be a serious downgrade in capacity on the BNE-LAX. How does Qantas plan to offset this?

Packetman21

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So there'll be a serious downgrade in capacity on the BNE-LAX. How does Qantas plan to offset this?

The Qantas 747-400ERs are still being kept in the fleet until 2022, and Qantas willl assessing if the current 787s on order prove worth the spending (so if the first 8 are doing well), and if so, they are willing to buy many more.

Last editedby Packetman21 at Sep 05, 2017, 08:17 AM.

Damien00

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So there'll be a serious downgrade in capacity on the BNE-LAX. How does Qantas plan to offset this?

Well I'd think that'd be the reason for planning two US destinations from BNE now as not everyone wants to go via LAX. PAX flying to either LAX or JFK would fly QF15/16 and people going to other destinations would fly on the newly touted flight to an AA hub most likely. 

So you get a lot more 1 stop options from BNE (LAX doesn't have direct flights to a lot of the AA network from what I understand) and it saves you going via SYD to get to DFW. It'd also pick up traffic from other cities like MEL, PER and ADL who want to skip over LAX just like the SYD-DFW flight does now. 

BNE ends up with approx 470 seats per day to the US on QF so quite an uplift. I think it sounds like a good plan for growth and if what I'm thinking is true I could see ORD being the destination.

Dredgy

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So there'll be a serious downgrade in capacity on the BNE-LAX. How does Qantas plan to offset this?

Should be self explanatory. If they're focusing on North America, then connecting passengers from LAX will decrease as they go to Chicago, Dallas or Seattle instead. LAX is a very special airport - even casual travellers will avoid it if they have the choice.

Also, route wish - Brisvegas to Real Vegas :p

Himeno

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So there'll be a serious downgrade in capacity on the BNE-LAX. How does Qantas plan to offset this?

The current BNE-LAX flight has 364 seats (58J/36W/270Y). Assuming that QF15/16 does get confirmed as becoming 787, that becomes 236 seats (42J/28W/166Y). 128 seats less.
However, with 2 other aircraft, they can open another flight to North America, and BNE-US would become 472 seats (84J/56W/332), an increase of 108 seats.

wdeguara

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In terms of being an aviation geek it would be good if they started a route to Chicago or Dallas as Air Canada already serve Vancouver. In terms of frequent flyers, any of these routes would benefit frequent flyers of Qantas.

Could it be that with the second pair of Dreamliners they can service two North American cities daily ?  In other words, if the 1st pair is used to service the BNE<>LAX<>JFK route (that is currently serviced by 2x 747s) the second pair could, say, be used to service a BNE<>SFO<>ORD route ? (as an example)

Bonson

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Why haven't they thought of SFO? They can then do double daily to West coast (LAX/ SFO). There is decent demand for SFO and it helps with business & premium traffic, which is key to success.

Last editedby Chris Chamberlin at Sep 07, 2017, 07:54 AM.

kamere

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It will be great to fly directly to Yvr from Bne. 

afloskar

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It will be great to fly directly to Yvr from Bne. 

You already can with Air Canada. They fly daily non-stop from YVR-BNE. Qantas don't and probably won't.

StudiodeKadent

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If all of these planes are being dedicated exclusively to North America and no European routes...

The BNE-LAX-JFK route seems like an obvious choice (helps phase out 747s too), and Dallas is probably the most likely destination for the other two jets (given its AA's biggest hub). Chicago is a smaller AA hub which lessens the connection possibilities, but its still a substantial hub and a destination in its own right, and its just within reach range-wise. Its possible but I'd have thought DFW more likely than ORD.

kimshep

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+1, StudiodeKadent !

I might also add that BNE-DFW would be a new route for QF, but similarly DFW-BNE would be familiar to Americans, courtesy of the original QF8 B747-400ER route (SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD). Much easier for QF to 're-launch' DFW-BNE in the USA with a new frame and dedicated service. Established feed on both ends.

ORD seems obviously on QF's radar, but my feeling is that it would be launched as a new destination either from MEL or SYD. When ORD was to originally announced in 2002, it was to be from MEL. 9/11 skewered that ... and perhaps QF might choose to launch from there, as a new destination, given the canning of MEL-DXB-(LHR).

crwilkins

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Chicago makes a lot of sense, heart of the US mid west, major AA hub and a destination in its own right with easy connections to many east coast cities and would be very low risk to maintain high load factors on a 787, as compared SEA, SFO or even YVR. Flying direct into 2 of AA's biggest hubs also negates some connection benefits that DL bring to VA and also United, both of which rely on connecting through LAX.

kamere

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It will be great to fly directly to Yvr from Bne. 

You already can with Air Canada. They fly daily non-stop from YVR-BNE. Qantas don't and probably won't.

Yes thanks afloskar. I fly with Air Can Bne-Yvr and really enjoy the direct flight.  It will be awesome if Qantas take on this potential route as well in the Dreamliner. Qantas might and probably will. 

Damien00

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I just wonder if there's enough demand for both an A380 & 787 flight each day from AU-DFW? There possibly could, be but i don't know... Obviously Qantas do and I'm sure they'll do it if there's demand there.


15 years ago you needed a 747 etc to make it to the US, so you had to funnel most demand to a limited number of destinations to fill up the aircraft and make it viable.  But the real benefit of the smaller, long range planes like the 787 is to open up new markets that didn't make sense with the larger aircraft. 

If this next route is BNE-DFW then its really just adding more capacity on the existing route (albeit removing the 1 hour tag at the AU end for BNE traffic). Whereas ORD would really be establishing a new market/route and proving the possibilities that the 787 can bring for Qantas.

Either way its a win, but I really hope to see Qantas realize the new opportunities this plane brings by starting a new destination. 

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