Should Qantas fly to Seattle?

18 replies

Becky1

Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 04 May 2018

Total posts 15

Hi All,


I am a bit hesitant to start this discussion and ask the question i am going to ask, but i am going to be brave and go for it.

Now that the QF/AA Joint Venture has been given the final tick of approval by US authorities, QF is going to start non stop services between BNE and SFO, and BNE and ORD. So, my question is, with SFO to be served non stop from 3 Australian cities (BNE/SYD/MEL), should one of these flights continue onto SEA (and picking up traffic from the other two)?

I am in favour of such a move. My reasons are simple. SEA was in line for a direct non stop service, but ORD won the day with the QF/AA JV approval. SEA is home to several Tech companies, so demand for business traffic should be strong. SEA is also a tourist destination in its own right. Think cruise ships up the west coast of Canada, Boeing factory tours, Museum of Flight, Space Needle, and is just a couple hour drive from the Canadian border. I think that flights between Perth and CDG and/or FRA should take priority over non stop flights to SEA at the moment. QF can then move to non stop flights to SEA if demand proves to be consistently strong.

Constructive feedback is most welcome.

X

British Airways - Executive Club

Member since 24 Jan 2012

Total posts 83

In my opinion, if you were going to introduce a tag flight, ORD would be a better choice. i.e. Direct to SEA and tag flights to ORD, rather than what you've suggested.


Although I am glad to see the additional flights operating from BNE, a direct SEA flight has the range to work from SYD. (ORD does not which is why BNE was selected). The larger market would also help ensure success.

The real question for me, what additional capacity will AA add under the JV approval? New routes? (DFW-MEL) Additional frequencies? (LAX-MEL / LAX-BNE)

Last editedby X at Jul 21, 2019, 08:45 PM.

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 416

I am not sure QF is a fan of tag flights. The exceptions are New York and London and each of these is fed by around three incoming flights in LA and Singapore respectively. These are slated for non stop in five years or so anyway. The joint venture makes it even less likely. I suspect Syd to Seattle is on the cards in the mid term. Rumours are AA will upscale the Sydney flight to a 777 and introduce a 787 to Mel DFW at which time QF will move SYD to DFW to a daily 789. If they base some 789s in Sydney then they need another route so Seattle may come in play. The issue is not to add too much capacity (total seats) to the US if they can’t be all filled and They can’t count on poaching too many seats from competitors given how loyalty programs work.

LatteLaptopLoon

Member since 25 Oct 2017

Total posts 16

I don’t think Qantas would do 2 west coast USA tag flights. Direct Qantas - Seattle flights will come eventually I think. I’m hoping for BNE, but I think SYD or MEL will get it first.

traveller99

Member since 18 Nov 2015

Total posts 97

I hope there's a return to American Airlines domestic first class being treated as first class for the purposes of Qantas status credits.

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 416

American domestic first class is the same as Oz business class. The earnings rate will be the same. I noticed on a AA 1 hour domestic leg last week I got the same SCs as a similar distance fight in Oz so the JV May have prompted some generosity as last year it was very meagre.

aggie57

QF

Member since 04 Apr 2014

Total posts 136

I hope there's a return to American Airlines domestic first class being treated as first class for the purposes of Qantas status credits.

I very much doubt that. Domestic US 'first class' is the equivalent of Australian domestic business, in some cases less.

Mal

Member since 14 Jun 2013

Total posts 109

I think Qantas should consider Seattle as a destination in its own right but not as a tag flight, and I don't know that AA would have much to do with a Seattle route as it's an end-point flight and not somewhere you make a connection from, and if you did connect it'd probably be with Alaska to fly into Canada.

hutch

Member since 07 Oct 2012

Total posts 749

I don't see the benefit of a tag flight when there is the option of a non-stop and the market for it. I suspect we may see Seattle launched at some point.

paulkaz

Member since 01 Mar 2011

Total posts 30

Regarding the tag flight does any one know whether Chicago international immigration and customs is bearable or has some of the delays known at LAX? A tag flight would force immigration and customs in Seattle so a delay over a non stop flight to Chicago. Just wonder whether the convenience of a domestic arrival into Chicago makes up for some of it?

kimshep

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 11 Oct 2014

Total posts 331

1. I think the possibility of a tag-on to SEA (Seattle) from either LAX or SFO (Los Angeles, San Francisco) on QF flights ex Australia would be low to non-existent. Far more efficient to use partner carriers such as Alaska Airlines (AK) for short stop tags. Remember, whilst most QF flights to the USA sit on the ground for a number of hours, this time is usually occupied by carrying out maintenance particularly in LAX.

2. Seattle (SEA) as a non-stop ex Australia. Would be a good contender, eventually. However, this is dependant on a number of factors including the origin point ex Australia, how QF's plans for further fleet acquisition proceeds, how the QF / AA Joint Venture approval (granted formally last Friday) pans out.

3. AA (American Airlines) is somewhat weak in Seattle. As a market, it is dominated by AS and DL (Alaska and Delta), so feeds to / from SEA are existent but weaker for AA. This is where AS excels as a QF partner.

4. Despite much of the anticipation of the JV, AA's CEO's previous comments tend to indicate that much of the heavy lifting across the (South) Pacific will probably be done by QF. AA's current management is conservative when it comes to launching new international Pacific routes.

5. For QF, SEA could be highly profitable (particularly ex SYD) for nonstops ex Australia, given the heavy emphasis on J Class (Business) on the B787-9. SEA has the potential to be both a lucrative business market and a successful O&D market. Companies such as Microsoft, Google, Amazon etc are generally headquartered in SYD for their Australian operations and there is significant business travel to SEA from here. Some of these tech monoliths also have offices in BNE and MEL also. Microsoft is globally headquartered in SEA and whilst Boeing is technically headquartered in ORD (Chicago), it's scale of operation in SEA is more than significant.

As a tourist destination, SEA also has much to recommend it as one of America's 'tier 1' cities.


However, launching non-stops to SEA will take QF some time. It would need to build market awareness in Australia, have sufficient fleet to do so, build out connections with AA / AS etc. Personally, I would imagine that this would take some 12-18 months minimum before / if it happens. The good thing though, is that QF management clearly is aware of the market potential and seems to have it's eye on market expansion. Bring it on, I say.

Dredgy

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

Member since 02 Apr 2017

Total posts 163

They should consider it as a destination in its own right. While I’m excited for the ORD flight, most of my US work is in Idaho, and Seattle is the best stopover option - poor options from SFO and will actively avoid LAX.

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 416

AA won’t like QF codeshares with Alaska from Seattle to the US but it will work perfectly with Alaska codeshares to Canada. I wonder if the joint venture will consider codeshares from Honolulu to US East Coast to provide even length sectors for those who like a mid way ‘leg stretch’. The connections would have to work though.

MarkivJ

Member since 22 Jan 2018

Total posts 9

As someone based in Seattle and flying biz regularly, my request to qantas would be: pls pls pls avoid the 11am - 2pm window (arrival and departure) as seatac is already suffering from over usage

patrickk

Qantas

Member since 19 Apr 2012

Total posts 416

AA won’t like QF codeshares with Alaska from Seattle to the US but it will work perfectly with Alaska codeshares to Canada. I wonder if the joint venture will consider codeshares from Honolulu to US East Coast to provide even length sectors for those who like a mid way ‘leg stretch’. The connections would have to work though.

...and offer direct flights. At the moment they offer one stop at LA or Dallas.

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