Qantas adds Airbus A321XLR to its fleet

By David Flynn, June 19 2019

Qantas has joined the roster of airlines signing up as launch customers for the extended-range Airbus A321XLR.

The airline has inked a deal for up to 36 of the A321XLR jets, due for delivery from mid-2024, by trading up from 26 of its previous orders for the less long-legged A321neo and adding ten more aircaft to the shopping list.

Although the order was placed by the Qantas Group, which encompasses current A321 stalwart Jetstar, group CEO Alan Joyce has left the door open to the A321XLRs joining the red-tailed Airbus A330 fleet for flights into Asia.

"It can fly routes like Cairns-Tokyo or Melbourne-Singapore, which existing narrow-bodies can’t, and that changes the economics of lots of potential routes into Asia to make them not just physically possible but financially attractive," Joyce remarked.

“We’ll take a decision closer to the time about which parts of the Group will use these aircraft, but there is plenty of potential across Qantas and Jetstar."

"We’ll also take a view on whether they are used to replace older aircraft or whether they are used for growth, which will depend on what’s happening in the market."

This continent-striding version of the single-aisle A320neo family will carry around 200 passengers in a two-class configuration and is expected to shake up and reshape trans-Atlantic travel, although the same impacts could extend to the Asia-Pacific region.

Some challenger airlines will use the A321XLR to drive prices lower, especially in premium business class cabins.

Another card in the A321XLR's hand: it could open up non-stop flights to and even between smaller cities which couldn't justify larger twin-aisle jets such as the Airbus A330 or Boeing 787 series, and which would otherwise require a stopover.

These direct 'thin' routes would prove a value time- and hassle-saver for business traveller, although passenger comfort will come to the fore: most Australians have spent 90 minutes flying in the single-aisle Boeing 737 between Sydney and Melbourne or Sydney and Brisbane, but typical A321XLR routes could span eight to nine hours.

Airbus will fit the A321XLR with the same Airspace cabin as the twin-aisle A330neo and A350 jets – a package combining a quieter cabin, LED lighting and larger overhead storage bins.

However, the cabin of an A320-series jet is typically pressurised to the equivalent of 7,000-8,000 feet above sea level, compared to an equivalent 6,000 feet for modern jets such as the Airbus A350 and Boeing 787.

That lower effective cabin altitude minimises flight fatigue and plays a part in reducing the impact of jetlag.

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David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

dddale

dddale

06 Dec 2018

Total posts 6

As it has been widely rumoured previously, it’s also certain these new jets will join the Qantas fleet. I personally was hoping for the Boeing MAX, but this isn’t bad either.

tomJ

tomJ

02 Nov 2017

Total posts 35

I reckon the A32x family is an upgrade on the B737max personally. The A32x cabin is wider than the 737, making 3-3 economy seats that little bit more bearable.

AWA2602

AWA2602

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

29 Jul 2013

Total posts 207

The A321 is by far a superior product compared to the B737 Max. I fly the AA A321T variant between east and west coast USA once a month and the passenger experience (even in Y) on those 5-7 hour legs is head and shoulders above the B737 Max. I reckon with a decent medium haul J and Y+ hard product this would be a winner for QF if they’re looking to increase frequency and/or capacity on routes into Asia

jaseeee

jaseeee

01 Nov 2017

Total posts 4

Also with the opening of WSA in 2026 I can see a lot more narrow body flights operating to Asia (mostly from Asian airlines). Interesting times ahead!

highflyer

highflyer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2012

Total posts 296

Thin routes such as... Adelaide-Singapore?

D747

D747

07 May 2019

Total posts 2

I'm not a fan of long haul flights in single aisle aircraft. Not at all. I did 5.5 hours to Fiji in a 738 recently. It was zero fun.

Pcoder

Pcoder

14 Oct 2016

Total posts 30

The a320 series is 17cm wider in the cabin. The standard width for the a320 economy seats is 18" compared to 17" for most 737s. The seats should be wider than the 787s

andrewjason81

andrewjason81

02 Jan 2019

Total posts 10

Exactly. I think the max time you'd want to spend is 4-5 hours, and even that is a stretch. So in terms of passenger comfort, an 8 or 9 jaunt to SIN or BKK would be horrendous, unless your in J class, or if they install a more premium Y product, in which case it would probably prove uneconomic. Make no mistake, Qantas will use these for the Jetstar leisure traveller who pay little and expect a crap experience.

PeterRH

PeterRH

Etihad - Etihad Guest

19 Jun 2019

Total posts 1

CNS-HGK to replace cancelled CX flights plus CNS-BKK. Both good for 1 stop to Europe.

Albinoni1967

Albinoni1967

01 Nov 2018

Total posts 27

Thank God for this, well done Qantas and they did not buy those soda can 737 Max, Airbus A321XLR is a far superior aeroplane than the 737 Max

jrfsp

jrfsp

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

04 Mar 2014

Total posts 110

Agreed, upgrade over the 737 on long routes.

May even have 3 lavs in economy!!

eldavide

eldavide

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

19 Jun 2019

Total posts 1

Great for JQ, if this works for them and AJ is happy I can see the economics of them taking over the routes of the 11 Dreamliners JQ operate and they inturn getting a refurb and repaint into QF colours

no_info

no_info

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

01 May 2019

Total posts 1

I've seen an article about the 737max series that called them the 737 Barbie Doll because they have been pulled and stretched so far that they cannot stand on their own two feet!! I hope Qantas consider a320's for OZ to replace 737NG series jets. Probably not going to happen given their investment in 737 sims training etc.

Horizon360

Horizon360

31 May 2016

Total posts 9

It will be all about how they configure the cabin. If they configure the A321XLR with 18 inch wide seats, 32 inches of pitch and a modern IFE with wifi then I'll take that over a cramped 9-abreast 787 or 10-abreast 777 anyday.

mh0102

mh0102

Etihad - Etihad Guest

19 Jun 2019

Total posts 1

Tahiti here we come without the stop over in Auckland

Dingdong

Dingdong

Etihad - Etihad Guest

22 May 2019

Total posts 5

Given Philippine Airlines already operate A321LR flights between Sydney and Manila (6200km) and that Tahiti is 6100km then Sydney-Tahiti is already a viable route with the A321neoLR.

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 498

Still 5 years away!

Dingdong

Dingdong

Etihad - Etihad Guest

22 May 2019

Total posts 5

But QANTAS Jetstar have the A320neo and A321neoLR delivering next year. Both aircraft have longer legs and we will start to see new routes open up.

Lps988

Lps988

20 Jan 2017

Total posts 28

I like the order and on a side note that mock up photo at the top of the article looks pretty schmick.

Nick Sydney 2

Nick Sydney 2

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

Have been on the A321T from NY to LA and it was fine.

Aircraft Lover

Aircraft Lover

KLM - Flying Blue

05 Feb 2019

Total posts 25

The A-321 has two toilets for 175 economy class passengers

Dingdong

Dingdong

Etihad - Etihad Guest

22 May 2019

Total posts 5

Long flights are actually less problematic than short ones for toilet access. If you are on a Sydney Melbourne flight there is not much time between the service trolley blocking the aisle, being stuck in a seat with your food tray and seat belt sign for Landung on again to go to the toilet . The 8 hour flight I did to Manila on an A321LR had no issues with toilet access.

Traveller14

Traveller14

17 Sep 2015

Total posts 391

Alan Joyce said above that existing narrowbodies cannot fly MEL - SIN. However PR already flies (until August) its narrowbody A321neos between SYD and MNL nonstop, and that's a slightly longer route than MEL - SIN. (It also flies these BNE - MNL.)

Was he correct?

Andy H

Andy H

Thai Airways International - Royal Orchid Plus

16 May 2011

Total posts 114

PR has used the A321NEO's on MEL-MNL, however I heard that demand was so great that they decided to just fly the A330's on the route.

JeCCo87

JeCCo87

14 Aug 2014

Total posts 16

The ill-fated RedQ could've used some of these birds

nige00160

nige00160

07 Jan 2016

Total posts 16

Interesting he mentioned Tokyo-Cairns as an example of a route that this aircraft can serve. I wonder how many slots are available at Narita/Haneda to cater for the expected increase in narrowbody services for niche routes ?

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 914

HND is slot controlled with slots being issued to nations by the Japanese government.

NRT is building a 3rd runway to open by 2028, extending the 2nd runway and shortening the curfew by 2.5 hours (becoming 0030-0500, currently 2300-0600).

Chris2304

Chris2304

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2013

Total posts 386

When are the normal A320neos being delivered?

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 393

I think next year to Jetstar.

aniljak

aniljak

15 Sep 2012

Total posts 84

Hopefully this will mean opening up of services from places like Canberra, Adelaide, Hobart, Townsville and Newcastle to Singapore and New Zealand.

Interesting that Qantas is one of many major 737 operators who have announced orders for A321XLR this week. Clearly there is little faith in the 737MAX amongst operators and they are all scrambling to get in line with Airbus!

Trogdor

Trogdor

11 Dec 2015

Total posts 68

The A321XLR does something the 737MAX can't do - it has over 2,500 klm greater range than a 737-MAX 10 (which carries the same amount of passengers).

cdinoz

cdinoz

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Sep 2012

Total posts 132

I did LHR-TLV on the BA 321 (ex BMI frames) a few years back. Decent plane for that journey. Certainly much nicer then SYD-PER on a 737.

I quite like the Airbus.

GBRGB

GBRGB

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Jan 2014

Total posts 209

Agreed analjak, QF will need to combat the rise of Silkair and other Asian carriers who are increasing services to secondary ports like DRW and CNS with talk of TSV also on the radar now that the Singapore Military have commenced their training area near Townsville, I am sure QF will also be eyeing off some of these routes.

Simo800

Simo800

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

07 Oct 2016

Total posts 3

I very much doubt these will be used for QF mainline services, as the current JQ 320 fleet needs replacing in the coming years. flying 4+ hours in a narrow body regardless of class not the best experience, perfect for low cost operations.

schuey

schuey

09 May 2013

Total posts 8

Any sane business wouldn't commit to orders like this without already having done a business case and I think AJ knows already exactly where these planes will be used. And it'll most likely be Jetstar to improve their yields on those sectors. Which is a shame because they could probably make greater revenue having Qantas fly them. A direct Qantas Adelaide-Singapore would be great to then connect into Europe.

simiguelito47

simiguelito47

Asiana Airlines - Asiana Club

09 Feb 2017

Total posts 41

I hope that the CGI render implies that Alan Joyce is more certain than "keep a door open" for a mainline QF A321

SYDINI

SYDINI

16 Jan 2018

Total posts 66

You could easily do 3-4 rows of staggered 1-2/2-1 or 1-1 herringbone in J with fully flat beds, 4 rows of Y+ In a 2-2 recliner (current premium), and then the rest in Y... you can still attract that premium market.

Pcoder

Pcoder

14 Oct 2016

Total posts 30

There is one reason why we can guarantee the A321XLRs in Qantas colours - Western Sydney airport.

Currently at Sydney airport due to curfew, the terminal goes very quiet in the evening as most flights have to depart early to escape any issues with the curfew. Compare this with Melbourne airport which is quiet busy around 11pm. The A321XLR will allow Qantas to add flights to major destinations like SIN, BKK, HKG, PVG, KIX and NRT departing late night from the Sydney basin without the need to fill up a large widebody plane.

In regards to business class on the a321s, another seat that would fit well is the Apex Suite, which would probably make good use of the floor space with good amenities and privacy for the travellers.

Karl

Karl

10 Apr 2016

Total posts 11

Lots of talk about using these Adelaide to Singapore. Qantas is really missing this as part of their network and it would be a lot more valuable to them to connect into their Jetstar Asia network than onto any code share partners into Europe. SQ can do two flights a day and therefore stealing potential Qantas passengers. Also bring back the morning departure from Singapore to Sydney. Again they can use this to connect into their Jetstar Asia network.

Traveller14

Traveller14

17 Sep 2015

Total posts 391

Apart from QF maybe perceiving it can make more money on other routes, it might also not like having in time one of these aircraft isolated in continually doing ADL - SIN - ADL rotations with consequent empty running to maintenance in BNE, SYD or wherever every few days. It may also be relatively difficult to staff the cockpit as for one return trip a day, establishing a base may not be cost effective.

mancho90

mancho90

United Airlines - Mileage Plus

13 Mar 2015

Total posts 74

It's sad to see the mistake of Boeing not having the 757 updated.. because some of those routes of XLR actually could be done with the old 757 dame

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 914

Boeing's Yellowstone Project is a long term plan started 11 years ago to replace their line up.

3 size aircraft.

Y2 for the 250-350 pax market, replace 767-300 and -400. Became 787.

Y3 for 350-600+ pax market, replace 777-300 and 747. Became 777X.

Y1 for the 100-250 pax market, replace 737, 757 and 767-200. Currently being worked on as "New Midsize Airplane" aka 797.

Boeing's problems were, 1) dismantling the 757 production line tooling so they couldn't make more even if they wanted to, and 2) delay work on the 797 after AA's split 737/A320 500+ aircraft order promoted them to make the 737 MAX.

They should at least have stored the 757 tooling so they had something available to offer in the ~220 seat market instead of giving all that to the A321 for the past 15 years.


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