Reader poll: what

By Chris Chamberlin, March 17 2015
Reader poll: what

READER POLL | Yesterday's 'Talking Point' story raised the question of how AusBT readers choose to fly from Australia to London, the UK or Europe, and it was fascinating to see – by way of comments on the article – how strongly each airline's anointed stopover city worked its way into that decision.

As we flagged yesterday, Dubai is in the ascendency due to the Qantas/Emirates alliance.

Government statistics released last week showed that Qantas and Emirates jointly flew 24.7% of international passengers into and out of Australian in December 2014 across all destinations.

While not all of those flights are Dubai-bound, the UAE metropolis naturally holds pole position among stopover cities.

Singapore Airlines sits third on Australia's international airline leaderboard, carrying 8.6% of all passengers, with onwards journeys to London and Europe keeping the former Qantas hub of Singapore high up on the grid.

Cathay Pacific has certainly seen enough of an uptick in bookings to upgrade two of its Sydney-Hong Kong flights to large Boeing 777-300ER jets, and appeal of both Singapore and Hong Kong is boosted when travellers choose break their journey with one or two nights in those Asian business hubs.

Of course, it doesn’t stop there: other popular options for stopovers en route to the UK or Europe include Abu Dhabi with Etihad, Bangkok with Thai Airways, Kuala Lumpur with Malaysia Airlines, China Southern's 'Canton Route' via Guangzhou, Garuda Indonesia's home port of Jakarta and Qatar Airways' growing Doha hub.

There are also routes less-travelled such as Seoul (with Asiana and Korean Air) and Tokyo (Japan Airlines).

Which city gets your vote when it comes to your preferred stopover when flying to the UK or Europe?


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Chris Chamberlin

Chris Chamberlin is the Associate Editor of Executive Traveller, and lives by the motto that a journey of a thousand miles begins not just with a single step, but also a strong latte, a theatre ticket, and later in the day, a good gin and tonic.

07 Aug 2012

Total posts 197

It depends if I'm flying straight through - if there's no time to go into the city then the airport doesn't really matter all that much.

But to get out of the airport and into the city, HKG is my preferred option.

04 Nov 2012

Total posts 219

Mine is HKG, excellent airport, fantastic vibrant city, fast train to city if needed, plus excellent connections on a raft of airlines plus a nice hotel the Regal Airport Hotel attached to Int. terminal for short connection stays.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

25 Mar 2014

Total posts 221

Living in Adelaide we use Cathay Pacific the quick travel time to London is awesome on the way over The stopover on the way back is just what you need to kill the jet lag. We normally stay 2 nights on way home in HK

Hong Kong's hotel are priced better than Singapore.

Easy tranist on the HK Aiport Express with free shuttles to hotels.

CX lounges are better in my opinion also.

 

Lufthansa - Miles & More

29 Jul 2014

Total posts 185

What's wrong with Vancouver!!!!!!

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

16 May 2013

Total posts 25

Are you totally mad ?

Lufthansa - Miles & More

29 Jul 2014

Total posts 185

No I love air canda service there and back its better than EK wiith there hit and miss fully flat or angled and there's some decent food. And I can't fault the HEATHROW  arrivals lounge and the whole service is decent 

KK
KK

Air China - Phoenix Miles

20 Dec 2012

Total posts 106

Shanghai.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

12 Aug 2013

Total posts 11

I like Hong Kong.

CX138 overnight SYD- HKG, into the lounge, breakfast and a shower.

Then onward to London.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Jan 2013

Total posts 715

It would seem to me that people have already voted with their travel arrangements. If SQ captured less than 9% of all outward bound passengers, clearly not to many willing to change their travel plans just to guarantee going through/to SIN. Qantas/Emirates got nearly a quarter of all departures in comparison, so it doesn't seem to be giving Alan Joyce any reason to stay up at night about it.

When your QFF status is held ransom then you suck it up and enjoy the ride. That does not preclude the fact that you might still enjoy travelling via Singapore or Hong Kong.

To suggest traffic loads on QF/EK is an indication of the desire to fly via DXB is as ridiculous as saying the Federal Election in 2013 was a referendum on the Carbon Tax or that the Victorian Elections last year was a referendum on the East West Link project.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Jan 2013

Total posts 715

Now, now, don't be putting words into my mouth. It was SQ, not EK/QF, that was used - not the other way around. If SIN was such a decider as you make out, you'd expect better than sub 10%. 

What is ridiculous is thinking Qantas or Alan Joyce will suddenly tear-up the Alliance because you have a chip on your shoulder. You want to go through SIN, fly SQ - can't see how whining about it is going to make one iota of difference.

Status matches regularly roll around (some that even are relevant to Australians). You can even look to a status match with Turkish Airlines if you feel so aggrieved. Something tells me Qantas won't be bothered if you no longer shackle yourself to them. Maybe you might even find a happier disposition.

Hey gippsflyer,

I was not suggesting that you (personally) were making that correlation. My apologies if it came across that way. I was speaking in general at the assertion that the two are correlated. 

Alan Joyce will do no such thing of course. He has hitched his wagon to Emirates and that's that. If you recalled, I indicated yesterday that Qantas needs to do what it needs to do to survive. I do not fault it. But be under no illusion that the public still prefer Singapore and Hong Kong as transit points. That is the point that I am making.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Jan 2013

Total posts 715

I agree care needs to be taken in not extending the data beyond what it actually offers (that's why I used SQ because almost all SQ flights connect through SIN whereas EK is problematic because it flies so many fifth freedom routes, Qantas is a bit less complicated).

Just like I've yet to come across the perfect airline, I've yet to come across the perfect airport (it's more that they have a range of strengths and weaknesses, each differing from each other). I tend to avoid generalist calls because they extend existing data beyond it's reach (does anyone really have such a wide dataset to conclusively call what "the public" wants?). All that can be said, I think, is that it doesn't seem to matter enough to cause any significant shift in carrier preferences. If it did, then Qantas wouldn't have hooked up and continued to maintain the EK alliance (because obviously it would be cutting their own throat).

As a Business/First traveller, I am more interested in the lounges and fast track options at connecting airports than I am with where it is. But even that is somewhat secondary to what's onboard and what is the direct most path to my destination. 

I don't think we are in competition here, we just have different priorities. And, as you appreciate, ultimately we only get to choose from what's on offer (even if it means we trade-off certain elements). 

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Feb 2015

Total posts 309

Qantas and Alan, please take note and look at what clients want....it's not hard really!!

AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 581

Want doesn't equal reality. I too would prefer an Asian stop over, but that only really worked before (for Qantas) if London or Frankfurt was your end destination.

Reality is many fly to places other than London, and to me I would choose transiting DXB and changing to EK over transiting SIN then changing to BA short haul in LHR. Especialy now that BA short haul business has been 'enhanced'.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

05 Feb 2013

Total posts 54

There are airlines other than QF. Why would you want to change to BA and fly through London to other European destinations. Far better to fly SQ to, and beyond, Singapore.

AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 581

Don't disagree actually, my last trip to Europe was on SQ. And whilst this article is quite clearly about preference it is very much pointed in the direction of Qantas and their decision to team with EK and hub through Dubai.

 

So a choice of QF and EK to Europe is to me a winner over QF and BA via Asia and LHR.

14 Aug 2014

Total posts 17

Cathay and Hong Kong is the winner in my book.

04 Aug 2014

Total posts 39

Among these options no doubt Hong Kong is the best. Singapore is good but to me it's just not as good as Hong Kong. 

Best place to transfer IMO

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Feb 2015

Total posts 309

Going by the above votes, Singapore is the prefrrred choice followed by HK.

23 Mar 2012

Total posts 92

Absolutely NO question ...for those in the know its Hong Kong the other way for me!

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Jan 2013

Total posts 715

Hong Kong has quite a few pluses (The Wing First Class lounge for starters) and it does have a frequent traveller e-gate, but I'd like it to go whole hog and offer OneWorld Fast Track. That'd round it out quite nicely.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Feb 2015

Total posts 309

Let the poll determine the result. One thing we can all agree on is that both Singapore and HK are global leaders when it comes to airport transit ports. Both offer great experiences for the passenger.

AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 581

And both are dominated by their home carrier. So not much scope for a much smaller airline to leverage that hub potential unless they had code share agreements with the home carrier.

A bit like what Qantas is doing with EK through DXB.

24 Apr 2014

Total posts 273

It's very revealing that the Poll is showing people prefer to stop in HKG and SIN. That's the routes QF pulled out of to London with their metal

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

25 May 2013

Total posts 8

Seems most people prefer SING ( or HK ) yet make negative comment like controlled too much by SIA and Cathay,....if you want to break the journey via SING, its very easy to use Emirates ( or QF) and use Multi destination booking internet facility. I just did that with Emirates stopovers in SING ( 3 days, and utilizing the Chauffeur Drive service ) and then via Dubai, change planes only as no desire to spend time in Dubai again - once is enough!   

I like HK or SING as stopover to UK - and BHX as the preferred airport in UK

04 May 2014

Total posts 4

After doing 2 trips to Europe with Emirates/Qantas via Dubai last year.. no way on earth I'm going via Dubai again... Emirates is a great airline..but Dubai... is not a nice place...Qantas have lost my Europe trips in favour for Singapore Airlines and Cathy

Dot
Dot

13 Apr 2014

Total posts 10

I voted for HKG on the basis of ignoring the airlines, I love the airport, the lounges, the access to hotels and the city, but when I include FF status and airlines as a factor, I'm quite happy with DXB.

23 Aug 2012

Total posts 33

I love BKK, i like SIN as well, but then, if flying all the way without spending some nights somewhere on the road, I don't care where to stop. Actually, for just stretching legs, DXB is quite nice. Short walks, direct gate access from the lounge, and gone again.

Whereas HKG is a bit of a mess when changing planes (though I prefer the QF there lounge over EK's in DXB).

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

13 Jan 2015

Total posts 593

dubai and doha suck

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

13 Dec 2014

Total posts 81

Some quick observations on the poll so far (at 1,821 votes). Just over 50 percent (50.64%) of pollsters (922 votes) prefer South East Asian stopovers (Bangkok, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore). China (mainly Hong Kong with a handful of votes for Guangzhou) is currently second with about 30 percent (30.2% and 550 votes). No mention of Beijing and Shanghai. It would be interesting to know if anyone has had stopovers there. The result may not change by much going by how Guangzhou has rated. In third position the Gulf stopovers, Abu Dhabi, Doha and Dubai with 15.37 percent and 280 votes. Lastly Northeast Asia, with Seoul and Tokyo scoring 3.79 percent and 69 votes. To expand on this poll it would be interesting to match up departure city with each stopover. Maybe next time.


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