Qantas, Air France back in codeshare liaison for flights to Paris

By David Flynn, May 23 2018

Qantas and Air France are back in rapprochement for daily flights to Paris, in what many hope will be a prelude to Qantas launching non-stop Boeing 787 flights from Perth to the French capital.

That direct Dreamliner service is considered a likely starter for the second tranche of Boeing 787-9 jets due from late 2019 – but for now, travellers will have to make do with hopping onto Air France flights at Singapore and Hong Kong.

From July 20, 2018 (although bookings open June 5), Qantas passengers will be able to make their combined Qantas and Air France journey as a single booking with through-checked baggage and access to Air France lounges if flying in business class or holding a Qantas Platinum One, Platinum or Gold card (sorry, no dice for Qantas Club members).

The QF flight number bolted onto an Air France Singapore-Paris or Hong Kong-Paris flight will also add the ability to earn a full serve of Qantas points and status credits on those Asia-to-Europe legs.

However, the Air France flights won't be able to be booked using your Qantas frequent flyer points, nor will you be able to request a points-based upgrade on them.

Here are the Air France flights available under the Qantas codeshare.

  • from Singapore: AF257 leaves Singapore at 10.35pm, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 6am the following day; AF256 leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8.50pm, arrives in Singapore at 3.45pm the following day.
  • from Hong Kong: AF185 leaves Hong Kong at 10.50pm, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 5:55am the following day; AF188 leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 11.35pm, arrives in Hong Kong at 5.35 the following day.

Both pairs of flights run on Air France's flagship Boeing 777-300ER jets, which feature four chic La Premiere first class suites...

Air France's La Premiere first class
Air France's La Premiere first class

... and 58 'cocoon in the sky' business class seats, built on the same Zodiac Aerospace Cirrus platform as used by Cathay Pacific for direct aisle access...

Air France's Boeing 777-300ER business class
Air France's Boeing 777-300ER business class

...  and a fully-flat bed that's dressed with a duvet and feather-down pillow.

Air France's Boeing 777-300ER business class
Air France's Boeing 777-300ER business class

Qantas and Air France previously codeshared on Singapore-Paris flights but the guillotine fell on that arrangement with the launch of the Qantas-Emirates partnership.

However, the relationship continued in a limited and very transactional form with Air France's first class passengers using the Qantas lounges in Hong Kong and Los Angeles, while Qantas taps the French flag-carrier for access to its lounge at San Francisco.

David

David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

12 Jun 2011

Total posts 109

I believe this would be appropriate to do the Air France “Woo!”

05 May 2016

Total posts 526

I'm not sure what to make of this. I've been hoping for a long while now that QF would end the lounge arrangement with Air France at SFO and move to using a better lounge. If the Air France lounge at SFO is anything to go by their lounges are way below QF standards and will disappoint.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 Jan 2017

Total posts 11

Does that mean the deal with Emirates will be no more?

24 Oct 2010

Total posts 2341

If you mean the Qantas-Emirates deal which earlier this year was re-inked for another five years, it's staying around until, well, at least 2023 :)

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

19 Jun 2017

Total posts 41

I'm not sure how to feel about this. The QF lounge in Singapore is already busy enough. This is probably not going to help the lounge situation. I hope AJ is already looking at expanding that lounge!
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Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 May 2017

Total posts 87

Best thing I've heard all day

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

08 Sep 2012

Total posts 244

Interesting development and further evidence that QF is responding to passenger's preference to fly on their own metal as much as possible. Which begs the question, why doesn't QF code with BA on their LHR - PAR services? This would allow for a full use of the 2 daily QF services to LHR ex Aus and taps into BA's extensive and frequent schedule of flights between LHR and PAR. Do QF and BA hate each other that much? Perhaps thats also fueled by EK's less than warm relationship with BA? Am I missing something?

JBL
JBL

01 Jun 2016

Total posts 60

People not wanting to backtrack seems like a pretty big reason to me

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

13 Jul 2012

Total posts 116

Air France-operated flights are hardly “Qantas’ own metal”.


As for flights via London: why would you ever want to add an extra hop plus a not-overly-pleasant transfer in LHR if you can avoid it?

The whole point of partnership with Emirates is having the ability to cover all large cities in Europe with a single transfer.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

08 Sep 2012

Total posts 244

Sorry I wasn't clear. A reason QF is re-coding with AF (when they already have the EK arrangements in place for 1 stops to Paris on EK metal) is presumably to given their customers the chance to fly part of that trip on QF metal (ie Aus - SIN/HKG and vv) with the rest on Air France. Otherwise, they'd have stuck with the existing EK option.

This arrangement still means you fly on QF metal less than half the trip (bad for points upgrades etc and presumably QFF recognition). Yes my proposed BA option means 2 stops (unless from Perth), but at least you get full QF service and recognition for 95% of the trip. I can't imagine AF giving the same level of service to a Plat or PlatOne member as QF (or even EK) do.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

Try LHR these days. It's a nightmare getting from T3 over to T5. Take the connecting train which entails a long long walk to the platforms, up to T5 and the usual hassle that goes on with check in and all that. I came through T5 two days ago and it is one big terminal. Direct to Paris makes a lot of sense and saves on brain damage

24 Apr 2014

Total posts 271

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

13 Aug 2015

Total posts 39

This is great news.. doesn't seem to be bookable yet though

24 Oct 2010

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Bookable from 5 June, for travel from 20 July.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

04 Aug 2014

Total posts 5

My previous experience was a disaster with Air France. Note they are a public sector airline and French public sector are running rolling strikes again. That was my disastrous experience last time and I would advise not to take the risk.

Air New Zealand - Airpoints

10 Aug 2015

Total posts 79

I also read Air France weren't doing well and their government doesn't want to bail them out.

30 May 2018

Total posts 9

Your previous experience may have been bad, but best to know your facts. I've lived in France for 15 years (Australian expat) and I can tell you Air France was privatised 20 years ago, with a minority government holding (Qantas has a similar history). So, not "a public sector airline." The problems leading to industrial action have been inflexible labour laws and union attitudes. The government recently fundamentally liberalised the labour law. The 'public sector', in fact the Finance Minister, far from indulging this behaviour, last week, stated that the staff behaviour will quickly "kill the airline" and he was very clear that, in that case, the government will not spend a penny on bailout, but 'will let it die.' Much more capitalist than the American Ch11 approach, if you ask me.
Joe
Joe

03 May 2013

Total posts 397

The mind boggles. Why would you use this when you can book QF on EK metal all the way? Far superior service.

30 May 2018

Total posts 9

I've done both AF and EK in J many times and would take AF in a heartbeat based on cabin service and the new J product.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

16 Apr 2013

Total posts 29

This seems odd to me when apparently so close to launching ones own direct service. Though not a complaint as gives great options for pax.

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

a great deal.a lot of us fear going through the middle east to europe or want an asian stop either direction.if this is what they can offer to paris to entice one off singapore airlines or cathay pacific good for them.

04 Dec 2017

Total posts 28

An Asian stop sure, QF/AF deal works; but "fear" are you serious. Ignorance and stereotyping is such an unpleasant thing. Clearly you haven't flown very much.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

Seriously? Fear what? I have happily travelled through Dubai with my partner to whom I am not married and neither she nor I have ever had problems whether staying there or at the airport. I'm likely in a minority but preferedb the Dubai lounges over the Singapore stop on Qantas. That's another story but if making such remarks then please at least back up with some facts.

30 May 2018

Total posts 9

They are buying time: the PER-LHR has yet to prove itself; they need the second tranche of 787-9s (late 2019) and they don't want to loose their existing CDG traffic (like me) to other carriers in the meantime.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 414

You can also book to LHR with a BA backtrack which also gives status credits etc but the connections via Singapore and HK look very good. I did it years ago and the 777 were very cramped up the back which I expect hasn’t changed much.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

Nope. Was on BA16 at the weekend and definitely wished I was a bit shorter

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

05 Jan 2015

Total posts 9

I flew on the code share from CDG to SIN in 2012 booked in PE. As a QF WP I was denied lounge access by Air France at CDG before boarding and treated like crap in PE fo the whole flight by the solitary old dragon posing as an AF Flight attendant in PE.

Even worse, once the seatbelt sign was turned off she went back into the Economy section and invited what seemed to be anyone she could find to come forward and sit in the up till then vacant PE seats.

This did not happen to J which was just in front of me and stayed partially empty.

Result - no sleep for me between CDG and SIN and I will never, ever fly AF again as long as there is any other choice.

Qatar Airways

06 Jul 2016

Total posts 40

AF and France in general have their industrial relations issues at the moment. But it isn't fair to completely right AF off. Their F product is really very good

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