Qantas eyes Chicago as next non-stop Boeing 787 route

By Bloomberg News, March 29 2018
Qantas eyes Chicago as next non-stop Boeing 787 route

Qantas is evaluating direct flights from Australia to Chicago as the next step in its plan to add more ultra-long-haul destinations using an expanding fleet of Boeing 787 jetliners.

Fresh from launching the first-ever direct passenger service to Europe – linking Perth with London’s Heathrow hub – Qantas will turn its attention to the U.S. with the next batch of four 787s due for delivery this year, Chief Executive Office Alan Joyce said in an interview Tuesday.

A new service from Melbourne to San Francisco starting in September has already been announced and 787s will also replace Boeing 747 jumbos on Qantas’s existing Brisbane-Los Angeles-New York route.

But also in the carrier’s thinking is a direct Brisbane-Chicago service or flights from the Queensland city to Seattle or Dallas, Joyce revealed at the Aviation Club in London.

The same analysis of a decade of wind and weather data that was applied to the Perth-Heathrow route has shown that all three destinations would be reachable with a standard passenger load, though flights wouldn’t begin until Qantas wins antitrust immunity for a joint venture with American Airlines.

Oneworld alliance partners American and Qantas in February asked U.S. regulators for a second time for permission to coordinate fares and schedules and share costs and revenue on trans-Pacific flights.

“We’re hopeful we could get through that in six months,” the CEO said, adding that the chosen service “could start as soon as the peak season, which is at the end of the year.”

Alliance links

Chicago is an attractive destination partly because it’s a hub for American, as is Dallas, a route Qantas already serves from Sydney.

Seattle is the base of Alaska Airlines, another of the Australian carrier’s partners.

The new U.S. routes will be introduced before Qantas considers adding direct Boeing 787 European routes such as Paris, which will require both sustained high bookings on the 17-hour Perth flight and a positive trend in the global economy.

The London service relies on a higher-than-usual number of business- and premium economy class seats for its viability, and French or German destinations would need to offer similar levels of high-yield demand.

Adding more European flights would require Qantas to order more 787-9s from 45 options the carrier holds with Boeing. While the first of those have expired, the airline has been able to extend them one at a time, giving it the ability to add planes in short order, Joyce said. Delivery positions for the Dreamliners start from late 2019.

Jumbo exit

A decision on the retirement of the final six Boeing 747s of 11 that are to be replaced by 787s could come this year and would lead to further Dreamliner orders.

It’s also possible the jumbos, which are among the youngest 747s still flying, could be kept in service longer.

Joyce said he’s confident that Airbus and Boeing will be able to eke out sufficient extra range from future models to allow Qantas to fly from Sydney and Melbourne direct to London and New York as soon as 2022.

The CEO has described the routes as the “last frontier” of aviation, after which all of the world’s major cities will have non-stop air links.

Options for making such long flights more bearable would include introducing a new four-class structure, with part of the cargo hold utilized for sleeping berths, Joyce proposed. "Nothing is off the table,” he said.

Qantas’s first Perth-London service landed in the U.K. Sunday after a 14,498-kilometer (9,000-mile) trip.

Though not quite the world’s longest flight – the record is currently held by a Doha-Auckland service operated by Qatar Airways – the route signals the beginning of the end of the so-called Kangaroo Route, which has seen planes make the journey from Europe to Australia in a series of hops since the advent of aviation.

28 Dec 2016

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I wonder if QF would rethink the viability of the route now that nz beat them to the punch

07 Oct 2012

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NZ is only flying there 3 times a week. They may pull some of QF's customers, but I'd make an educated guess that QF already has a reasonable number of customers heading to ORD at the moment which could sustain a service (which I don't think they will be able to run daily anyway, unless they change up BNE-LAX).

iM
iM

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27 Jul 2016

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Air New Zealand's business class config is awful. Would never choose it.

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02 Apr 2017

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While the config could perhaps be improved, Air NZ has a very, very good product. Flown them EZE-AKL-BNE on the 777 and the seats and soft product were top notch.

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21 Jan 2016

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I agree with Dredgy, there is nothing wrong with the seats and cabin services but cabin seating configuration is outdated. Air NZ has not plans to change the confirguration at this stage, as they say, there are more leisure travelers than business travellers that book Business Premier.

Rav
Rav

18 Aug 2017

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Have flown the PE on Air New Zealand and they had the shells and it was brilliant and far better than any other flights I have done Mel-AKL-LAX

29 Mar 2018

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Won't make any difference. American Airlines is the hub that will feed QF. Chicago is the hub for United which will feed the NZ flight.

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23 Feb 2017

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Exciting times for QF. I love Chicago and it would be amazing stepping off the plane in the Australian heat after being in the freezing contitions just a few hours before. I cant help feel disappointed that they'll be using the 787, an aircraft ill be avoiding. Narrow seats and aisles in economy, not enough legroom and safety issues with the airbag seat belt not being worn when tray table down in premium economy.

07 Oct 2012

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If they announce Chicago, then the only way they can operate it from Australia, is with a 787. So no point being disappointed, cause the alternative is they won't fly there.

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19 Jan 2018

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Just a “few hours before” is a bit of an understatement if I ever I have heard one.

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13 Jan 2015

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more like an entire day before

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09 Sep 2013

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Agree. We say to all our friends around the world - come visit us in Australia, we're only 24 hours from anywhere..

Joe
Joe

03 May 2013

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AJ is like a little boy in a toy shop...Paris Frankfurt Chicago...the A380 is still the passengers choice on long and ultra long haul. Albeit Qantas' fleet could do with a little more sophisticated service and interior fit out taking it from the drab it currently is. Honestly where does Qantas come up with these interior designs?

07 Oct 2012

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I quite like QF's fit out/colour scheme, while others will not (though do like most other airlines toilets more).


I love an A380. But it has limitations. The 787 provide options for customers to go direct or go via one-stop. Options are a good thing.

AT
AT

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14 Sep 2012

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Marc Newson designed the interiors of the QF A380, I don't think that's any big secret. Check his website https://marc-newson.com/qantas-a380/. The QF seats have won several well recognised awards. Hope that answers your question.

22 Jan 2018

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I could sit on a BNE-SEA flight but not to ORD!!

06 Dec 2017

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what about a BNE-YVR service.granted AIR CANADA already flies such a service daily but think of it like this.snow season in whistler,business connections and so forth benefit.Seattle is for Australians largely overlooked.

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21 Nov 2013

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Difference is that whilst QF would get some connecting Canadian traffic through YVR from its partner Westjet, it would be nowhere near as much traffic as from AA in ORD or another of its ports.

Air Canada on the other hand has a huge network in both Canada and the US so can filter people through YVR and make it work.

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21 Apr 2017

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I wonder if Chicago has come onto QF’s radar more so seeing as Air NZ are flying there (which has been predicted for a while now)...

I thought QF would utilise Seattle first due to the relationship with Alaska and also being slightly closer, could one of the to be retiring 747s make from BNE to SEA?? Due the seemingly bigger relationship and agreements in place with American Airlines and Oneworld, to be competitive against Star Alliance
more so than strengthening their own seperate agreement with Alaska maybe this is both a courtesy and competitive thought (giving American preference)
Interesting though that’s forsure I’d like to see a direct Australia to Seattle routing.

12 Dec 2012

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QF was going to start at SYD-LAX-ORD route some years ago. They had signage, staff and contracts at ORD ready to go, then pulled the plug at the last minute. Reportedly due to some sort of deal with United.

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11 Oct 2014

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If I recall correctly, QF's only previous dalliance with the idea of ORD was to be a MEL-LAX-ORD service which was planned to start shortly after the unforseen tragedy of 9/11.

Not only did 9/11 occur (virtually halving US travel) but Ansett (AN) collapsed at the same time. The whole idea of MEL-LAX-ORD was quite naturally dropped by QF due to these twin disasters. UA had nothing to do with it.

AT
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14 Sep 2012

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Yes this is correct.

16 Jan 2018

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I think Seattle is a question of viability and what would it do to their Canada market. Vancouver isn't that far but if you take travellers to Seattle whet impact will it place on those going via Canada. Even though it's more seasonal capacity. Air Canada also operate from Melbourne to Canada so I don't see why QF wouldn't be able to achieve a direct flight from Sydney or Brisbane into Seattle.

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29 Nov 2013

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Question for the AusBT community - has anyone experienced international arrivals at ORD? I'm curious to know whether its as bad as LAX? Or better...

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13 Jul 2012

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Probably not much better.

ORD is also the worst US airport for delays, which clearly makes me want to stay away...

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29 Nov 2013

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That's what worries me. I like the idea of hitting Chicago first if I need to get to the east coast but I've never liked ORD. It's such a drab, depressing place

12 Dec 2012

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My main "problem" with ORD is the 1 hour ride on the Blue line to the downtown loop. (and the terminal transfer issues, which have improved since the last time I needed to connect)

29 Mar 2018

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It really depends when you arrive. If you're clustered with a bunch of other flights then it can be a bit of a wait for a customs agent. Luggage is always quick. I'd say it's on par with Dallas.

12 Dec 2012

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I've only had international departures at ORD. All international arrivals arrive at T5, while international departures can be from any terminal. ORD T5 is quite poor.

It's been reported that the reason Chicago lost their last olympic bid was because of how CBP and TSA treated the IOC officials who came to look at the proposal.

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19 Jan 2018

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This would have more to do with the attitude of self entitled IOC officials who consider themselves superior and above the law. The IOC has often been dominated by the same sort of anti-American Europeans technocrats who have made the EU so wretched.

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04 Apr 2014

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I passed through O’Hare last week. Left on a small regional twin heading to Ottawa from a small gate at the end terminal C. Next gate over was a Lufthansa 787-8, heading to Frankfurt. Surreal.

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04 Apr 2014

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Correction - concourse C in terminal 1.

02 Jul 2011

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I’ve arrived several times at ORD internationally and you can be standing in the queue for immigration for almost an hour depending on the time of day. Like a lot of airports, there may be a dozen desks but only four staff working.

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27 Nov 2017

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Ummm... all this talk about B789s makes me wonder when SYD will be seeing any...Has Gladys not thrown enough into the pot to subsidise QF service. Too much has gone on stadiums me thinks...

04 May 2015

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Qantas flies plenty of A380s and 747s out of Sydney which have far more seats, given it's a bigger city and all...

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08 Sep 2012

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You can't just run a profitable route on Business class alone. I've heard mainly negative reports about QF's 787-9 in terms of comfort in Premium Economy and Economy. The seats in Y are 17inches wide (vs 18+ on the 747 and A380) and the extra inch isn't enough to compensate. The Y+ legroom issue remains.

Qantas's long haul success has been founded on roomy A380s and 747s. I wonder whether, once the hype goes, the 787 will become an aircraft to avoid (even more than now) when not flying in Business. QF needs to be careful about putting all their eggs in the 787 basket.

30 Aug 2017

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Most long range 77Ws also have 17" wide 10 abreast seats. Mllions of passengers have been riding them for many years. People have not avoided them at all.

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13 Jan 2015

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Oh well i've been actively avoiding them. Flew once with AirNZ in their 3-4-3 arrangement and have gone out of my way since such as flying SQ whenever I can or picking a different route. Otherwise I end up paying or using points for an upgrade if it's too much of a pain to avoid a 787 or high density 777. The first time I tried it I took the aisle seat and found the person next to me overflowing into my seat and ended up with my entire shoulder and arm in the aisle getting knocked for 13hrs. It's not like I'm some huge 200kg person who needs 2 seats.

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30 Aug 2017

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Surprised year round YVR isn't considered - attempt to make repair with CX and code share with YVR-JFK as a second option to LAX could only enhance the network.

12 Dec 2012

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They have sales data from when QF73/74 used to run SFO-YVR.

Maybe they think a non stop and no data after stopping the via SFO flight in 2008 doesn't change things.

06 Dec 2017

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CX VIA HKG TO YVR except from adelaide and perth is not really viable as an alternative to avoiding LAX.from those two places AIR NZ VIA AUCKLAND or going Qantas to SYDNEY OR VIRGIN TO LINK UP WITH AIR CANADA are your only main options which add up.

23 Oct 2014

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In our neck of the woods VA’s 777’s are all 9 abreast in Y, massive difference width wise to the 9 abreast 17” - 789 or 10 - 777.

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08 Jun 2016

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Ugh. Chicago. Every time i've had to fly through Chicago I've missed my connection because of delays due to inclement weather - regardless of season. Hideous airport with sub-standard lounges. I would never willingly choose ORD as an option. And to Scepticalflyer's comment - I wish QF would consider YYZ, North America's 4th largest city.

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11 Oct 2014

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Valid comment .. but in fairness, the city of Chicago, AA and UA last week resolved issues which will result in the demolition of two existing terminals and the emergence of an in-place, brand new international terminal.

Now, that won't solve the weather issues but it should make weather delays somewhat more pleasurable. And if QF is true to form (a la DFW) you'll probably have an 'out-source' lounge situation anyway - until AA get's it Flagship and Admirals Club lounges updated.

12 Dec 2012

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The ORD plans are:
Expand T5, move Delta and Skyteam partners to T5
2 new satellite concourses connected to T1
Demolish T2 and replace with new "Global Terminal" for UA, AA, LH, NH, BA, JL and other international partners (This would connect the new T2 to T1 and the new satellite concourses)
Upgrades to existing on airport hotel and new hotels
Land set aside for future additional terminal and satellite concourses

Nothing about what happens with existing parts of T1 and T3.
AA just opened updated lounges in T3.

28 Mar 2018

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Air NZ is looking at a direct Auckland to Toronto next year. That is going to be the game changer

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11 Oct 2014

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I wonder whether the smarter move would be .. for QF to run a BNE-YYZ-ORD-BNE service. BNE-YYZ would certainly provide one helluva lot of competition to AC, being the only YYZ non-stop ex Australia.

The YYZ-ORD segment is less than an hour - and such a service would pull both traffic to YYZ and also to ORD. An ORD-BNE non-stop would suit the US market ideally and the tag-on YYZ-ORD is of minimal inconvenience for Aussies.

To my way of thinking, a way more efficient solution compared to NZ using AKL-ORD-AKL and AKL-YYZ-AKL.

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13 Jan 2017

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FYI: YYR to ORD is almost 2 hours, not less than one.

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04 Nov 2017

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Whoops, almost forgot that SEA is a DL hub, but at the same time DL/VA as a JV has no intentions of further expanding outside of LAX at the moment.

15 Sep 2012

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Qantas seems to be focusing only on business and premium passengers on long range routes from Sydney and to a lesser extent Melbourne. Perth only has international flights because they can3 do nonstop from East coast yet!

This is at the expense of economy passengers and most of Australia! Can't even operate one international flight from our national capital or from Adelaide.
Stop looking at long range services for a few people and start flying services people want within our own region! Just look at the qantas wish list discussion on this site!

06 Dec 2017

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you would have thought with the 787's maybe a return to the adelaide to singapore market would have been in order.they are very similar in size to the now phased out 767's that existed on that service from the mid eighties till about 2004 meaning more than ideal to link onto the singapore to london flights.something for all not just the premium time poor people who need to be in the uk quickly for business purposes.even one of these sydney-bangkok-london like the old days when more come along in the coming years or upgrading say beijing to these.the a330-200's as good as they are remind me of the old a300's when they existed domestically,great plane but you would not fly anything beyond 7 hours on one.

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26 May 2014

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Like Adelaide, Perth went through a period of no QF international flights. Singapore service returned with 737s, however I suspect that Adelaide - Singapore is on the edge of the 737 range so a similar strategy may not work. You may be waiting for a new aircraft type if they can’t justify an A330.

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11 Oct 2014

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A little perspective please GregXL .. PER went through a period of approx 2-3 yrs without intn'l flights - ADL has endured this for the past 14 yrs or so.

Here's a record for QF that you won't find published anywhere : The only Australian mainland capital with a QF International share of traffic which is ZERO.

It's always fun to read that 'the market isn't there' yet QF supports more international out of CNS than it does out of ADL. Even funnier when you look at the ADL international services provided by - oh, I dunno - CX, SQ, CZ, EK, QR, MH, NZ, FJ etc ..

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26 May 2014

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I could find evidence that ADL-SIN was canned by QF in 2013. I would think this was about the same time as PER. My main point was that the solution that QF implemented to return to PER-SIN may not be applicable to ADL-SIN, so then their only current option is A330s, which are heavily in demand. Even though QF have returned to PER-SIN they are seriously outgunned by SQ, particularly in the J market where SQ will soon have superior hard product.

AJW
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CX, CZ, EK, QR, MH, NZ, FJ all have something in common apart from flying to Adelaide. Yep each of them flies to their one and only hub port.


I wonder if that might explain why they can offer international flights to Adelaide but not Qantas? Actually I don’t wonder I know that is a simple fact.

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11 Oct 2014

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"CX, CZ, EK, QR, MH, NZ, FJ all have something in common apart from flying to Adelaide. Yep each of them flies to their one and only hub port."

There is no rule that says "the most profitable operation is that of a single hub." Try applying that to the world's top 5 largest carriers.

You might also notice that the first four are airlines which have significantly larger networks than QF, despite their single home hub. For a country the size of Australia, an Air Sydney (single hub) network would never work - hence part of the reason that QF is now belatedly seeking to diversify the SYD/ MEL/BNE hubs.

Back to your comment and .. further, to be perfectly honest (as you well know), EK and QR fly Australian customers primarily to LHR or Europe, rather than DXB or DOH. No-one said, ever - that a single hub is the 'secret to success'. Would it work for carriers such as AA, UA, DL, LH, IB, LA ..? Nup. And it doesn't work for QF .. as we have seen for years.

The simple fact that some of these carriers serve ADL with more than one daily flight .. shows that there is a market there. QF can choose to ignore it .. but don't blame the city. I mean .. ADL with a pop of 1.325m and CNS with 150,000? Which do you think would have the larger market? QF doesn't have to operate ADL to everywhere (that would be neither profitable or intelligent) but a few well-chosen international routes wouldn't go astray. It might even help QF build on it's profile.

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19 Apr 2012

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Kimshep you may like to remember Canberra is a mainland capital and also has a ZERO QF share

AJW
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16 Nov 2011

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For the exact same reasons as Adelaide. Not enough demand for a point to point service as opposed to point to hub.


And as for Canberra only two airlines one of whom I have no doubt wouldn’t be flying to Canberra if they had a choice. Speaking of Qatar who have added the Canberra leg just to get the extra slot into Sydney that they otherwise would not have been able to fly.

And Singapore at least they are trying to give Canberra a service but speaks volumes when even an airline flying to their hub cannot full a Canberra flight in its own right.

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11 Oct 2014

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er .. Canberra is a Federal capital .. and while we agree identifying another market where QF has zero international market-share, it really isn't something that QF should be proud of .. (as a national carrier and all).

AJW
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16 Nov 2011

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Er, yeah Canberra the city where I live is the capital. But fail to see why that means Qantas should be ashamed of not flying there in an international capacity.


I have no doubt if they had routes in where they could make money they would be doing it. Just like they would out of Adelaide and Perth and Darwin and Hobart and anywhere else people complain about lack of flights.

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11 Oct 2014

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..and yet both NZ and QF (as well as EK up till a few days ago) can fly internationally into WLG pop 496K (the NZ federal capital) but CBR pop 400K can't support international at all?

BTW, CBR is the fastest growing Australian city with a younger, wealthier and more pervasively single population. Greater disposable income.

Perhaps, it has more to do with QF marketing (or lack thereof) than anything else?

15 Feb 2018

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The lack of international air services from ADL by Qantas is nothing short of a disgrace. It is made even worse by the numbers of foreign airlines that fly into ADL.

AJW
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16 Nov 2011

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All those airlines fly to their hub. Point to point traffic would not fill an an aircraft of sufficent size to fly the route direct.

06 Dec 2017

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I agree and work for a disability enterprise that provides all the other airlines ex ADL with the utensils for eating,the napkins and the envelopes and what they are wrapped in for them all.CX,SQ,CZ,EK,QR,MH are our main customers.I am not 100% sure if we ever did Qantas internationally in the old days as that was all before I joined them in 2016.virtually all except Qatar and Emirates are Asian Airlines.what they all do is fly to their hub and connect onwards via connecting flights to other destinations.what most people do not know when flying them is it supports their workers at the cost of australian jobs.

AJW
AJW

16 Nov 2011

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Actually the UAE is in Asia too!


But don’t quite get you point abou Australian jobs. Sure if they were to fly qantas it would support more jobs, but simple fact is, as you mentioned those airlines connect to their hubs. That means that traffic is not available to Qantas or Virgin anyway so no jobs cost. And as you also prove those airlines generate jobs for Australian when they fly here such as yourself.

Anyway simply put I am not sure what the viabale alternative is.

15 Sep 2012

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People forget - Qantas had a hub and a very successful one for many years. Its name was SINGAPORE!

They had a much bigger international route network with flights to several European destinations and intra asian services.
All destroyed 5years ago when the deal was done with Emirates. Everybody said it was a bad move to abandon the hub in Singapore. Now 5 years later Dubai has been scrapped!
Go back to what worked and restore flights from Singapore to Europe and Asia using 787s

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11 Oct 2014

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Would 'going back in history' actually work?

Let's face it, some 5-7 years ago LCC's weren't really part of the international equation, the incredible Chinese expansion hadn't started, 'Open Skies' in Australia was somewhat in it's infancy, the B787-9 wasn't even flying .. and fuel prices were a lot higher than today.

Today we live in a very heavily changed market. One that hasn't been seen before.

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06 Sep 2012

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I agree Kimshep, the economic conditions in the South East Asian region are vastly different to 10-20 years ago when LCC's aren't as predominant. Flying an overspec aircraft like the 787 to destinations via Singapore is just going to bleed money, especially as LCC's are eating away at the low fares/economy class segment and few businesses would fork over excess money for business classes more suited to long haul flights. QF spotted this, which is why they are focusing on profitable long/ultra long haul flights and letting the Jetstar group handle the leisure segment.


Pertaining to the the topic of QF international services out of Adelaide, I believe the advent of the MOM aircraft could be suitable to restart such flights.

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19 Apr 2012

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Aniljak why use Singapore as a hub when they can use Perth at a much lower cost; and that seems to be the plan with the 787s. Flying to Singapore would make more sense with the new A321LRs but whether QF gets to use them is another matter. Canberra to Singapore with the A321s would make sense as well.

15 Feb 2018

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What about ADL to SIN? This could connect to QF1. The problem is, with all these point to points from SYD, eg BKK, HKG, PVG, PEK, To name a few, none of these connect from Singapore any more. Now that EK have, I think three daily flights to ADL, there isn’t the need for QF to fly to ADL internationally. When there are daily flights from all state capitals to DXB to connect onto that network, the situation may be different.

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11 Oct 2014

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@Red Cee: ADL to SIN should absolutely exist on QF, both as a demand / competitive service and also as a defensive one.

"When there are daily flights from all state capitals to DXB to connect onto that network, the situation may be different." Regrettably, that will be the day that QF International will cease to exist. and people will wonder .. why ...

06 Dec 2017

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nothing except maybe either two of the morning flights adelaide to sydney to link up to the qf1 to london or going to perth on a late morning/early afternoon flight to connect to qf9.i think there is a market for adelaide to singapore whether it connects onto the london flight or university students heading home to singapore or visiting friends and relatives.i am not unless i am headed somewhere like continental europe keen on going via say doha or dubai which means qatar airways or emirates unless i have no other realistic option.i hate to say this but they have handed the direct services on a platter to singapore airlines and their much superior service even if the connections to the continent don't work as well ex adl

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10 Sep 2012

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Can't believe that SFO is still not on the cards (from Sydney) for one of the newer aircraft..it IS encouraging that a 787 will go from MEL to SFO but SYD -> SFO still on the old 747 is brutal..I would LOVE the A380 or 787's on that route :(

08 Aug 2017

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ORD has terrible congestion and frequent weather delays. Great if you are heading only to Chicago but risky for onward connections.


DFW is far better on both counts. I travel on QF7 quite often expressly for onward connections. What I would really like to see is QF7 depart early in the Australian morning so it arrives earlier into DFW (instead of 14:00 or thereabouts depending on the time of year) so I have a bigger choice of connections and get earlier arrivals into other parts of the US. However I understand the logic is to minimise the time the A380 sits on the ground in DFW and have a later departure to capture inbound connecting travellers; so I guess my wish will remain just that.

I’d try ORD (even out of BNE) as an alternative to DFW for that reason but I suspect the combination weather and congestion (not to mention the additional sector to BNE since I’m out of SYD) would make it a less reliable choice and I’d stick with DFW.

The question of YYZ raised above is interesting. I travel to both Vancouver and Toronto a fair bit and hate having to transit the USA (and I avoid flying AC having been farked around them way too many times). Qantas replicating AC’s YVR-YYZ with cabotage restrictions like QF 11/12 would be very awesome indeed.


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