International travel ban set to continue to December 2020

It's now looking like overseas travel will be off the agenda until next year.

By David Flynn , September 4 2020
International travel ban set to continue to December 2020

Australia's sweeping ban on international travel is likely to last until 2021, following an extension of the 'biosecurity emergency period' which enables the Federal Government to place restrictions on overseas flights and cruise ships.

The Government this evening announced that the Human Biosecurity Emergency Period declared under the Biosecurity Act 2015 would run for an additional three months.

The order, which has been in place since March 18, will now continue until December 17 2020, Health Minister Greg Hunt has announced.

"The extension of the emergency period was informed by specialist medical and epidemiological advice provided by the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC)," Hunt said.

"The AHPPC has advised that the international and domestic COVID-19 situation continues to pose an unacceptable public health risk. The extension of the emergency period is an appropriate response to that risk."

Under the biosecurity emergency declaration permits the government to impose

  • restrictions on overseas travel
  • restrictions on the entry of cruise ships into Australia
  • protections for the supply and sale of certain essential goods
  • restrictions on retail stores at international airports

Prime Minister Scott Morrison last month said it was "unlikely" that Australia's borders will open by Christmas, while the prospects of a 'trans-Tasman travel bubble' for quarantine-free travel between Australia and New Zealand now looking more like a 2021 proposition.

 Morrison said that although he "would welcome (international travel) by Christmas if were possible, I think it’s unlikely that we [will be] able to move back to a restriction-free society [by then]," he said. "I doubt that is going to happen, and I doubt the medical situation will enable it."

“It’s important that we just look, and test and interrogate the medical evidence and make decisions based on that and nothing else,” Morrison added.

The July federal budget noted that "from 1 January to 30 June 2021, it is assumed that the travel ban is lifted, but that a two-week quarantine period is required of arrivals to Australia."

Travel ban exemptions

Most Australians continue to require government permission to travel overseas, beyond those who qualify for a general exemption – such as those involved in the operation or safety of flights, essential travel for work or on official government.

Applications for special exemptions can be made based on 'a compelling reason for needing to leave Australian territory', according to The Department of Home Affairs, with some examples including:

  • a person whose travel is essential for the conduct of critical industries and business
  • a person receiving urgent medical care not available in Australia
  • a person who is travelling on urgent and unavoidable personal business
  • travel on compassionate or humanitarian grounds
  • travel that is in the national interest

However, for many applicants, getting that authorisation hasn’t proven a straightforward task.

While some requests have been processed promptly, others applicants say they've received no response at all from the Department of Home Affairs and the Australian Border Force, even after the international flights they’d booked had long departed.

Read more: Australian travel ban exemptions prove easy for some, hard for too many

David

David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

17 Jun 2020

Total posts 75

This is absolute crap. Rest of the world is moving on, and no other country besides North Korea require exit permits for their citizens to leave the country. The federal government and crackpot premiers (Gladys is the only sensible leader in this country) are a disgrace to democracy and should be ashamed for keeping business grounded and families separated. Australia needs to get over its island prison head in the sand mentality. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

KW72 it is not only Australia and North Korea but also countries like Malaysia which require prior permission to leave (recently eased to allow students and contract workers). Google the list it is quite extensive. Not sure why Gladys is your hero she blocks travel from Canberra to almost anywhere else except NSW, on the grounds that an ACT drivers license is insufficient evidence. Remember the ban on ACT residents returning to Canberra despite all sorts of assurances. So don’t worry Gladys is in the mix of blocking families and travel between low COVID incidence jurisdictions.

17 Jun 2020

Total posts 75

Sorry patrickk but Australia should not be benchmarking itself on countries such as Malaysia which have one of the most corrupt governments in the world.

05 Oct 2016

Total posts 11

Alas no, patrickk, Australia is pretty much unique in the world, apart from North Korea. There were a couple of countries that briefly, for a couple of weeks in April, introduced an exit ban, but these were swiftly removed.  Australia is, and remains, the only country in the world doing this. Even in Malaysia, there is no ban as such, and the rule is simply "Malaysians going abroad for studies and work are permitted to travel without prior documentation from Jabatan Imigresen Malaysia." However, you must explain your reason for travel to the Immigration officer, and if need be produce a student permit or other documentation. Citizens of other countries are not effected. Alas, in Australia, many non-Australian citizens are stuck here.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Dorn now I am nit-picking but most of the Mid-East as well. Australia like Malaysia and the ME countries allow exit for certain reasons related to their particular domestic policies and priorities, and many others advise against travel (e.g Canada and NZ) and I would suspect makes it very hard to get insurance.. Australia has such a list (or priority reasons) readily accessible, and from the latest news they are being less strict with up to one third allowed and presumably this will continue to increase. I agree that it is largely unnecessary as an advisory not to travel will ensure insurance will be next to impossible to get and  coming back very expensive so there is not need for such a restriction. DFAT doesn't want too much consular work that is the reason I suspect. A lot of the language in these forums is a little hyperbolic, suggesting Australia is unique when it is  not really so,. 

05 Oct 2016

Total posts 11

I almost wish this were true, but with respect, alas no other country comes close to the restrictions Australia has imposed.

Suppose you are these countries below, and wish to exit the country (listed), if you have been living and are resident but not citizen in the country listed.

Singapore: no restrictions

Malaysia: no restrictions, except for Malay citizens, who need to tell an official at the airport why they are flying.

Japan: no restrictions

Thailand: no restrictions but need "fit-to-fly" certification

Korea: no restrictions

UAE: no restrictions, but need negative coronavirus disease COVID-19 test

Hong Hong: no restrictions, but if via high risk area need to provide a valid negative COVID-19 test 

Australia: banned, unless you get lucky in the exit lottery. Going to a funeral doesn't count.

The only difference is that (just from this list) and wish to enter the UK, only UK residents in Hong Kong, Korea and Japan may enter the UK without 14 days quarantine. So in Australia you have to enter these three countries to leave again to enable entry to the UK without restrictions (since you can't fly direct). It's a nightmare.

And yet when I phoned up my local MP begging some way to get an exit pass from Australia, despite not even being a citizen, he repeated the myth that every other country had similar restrictions. And then said he couldn't help me as I am not allowed to vote here, despite living here! 

And that alas is why Morrison says the exit ban is uncontroversial: most people believe the myth that other countries are doing the same thing. 

Getting insurance is a totally different matter, and separate to actually being able to get on a flight.

I'm sorry patrickk, no other country in the world is. 

last time I looked 17 December was 2020, not 2021

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 Jun 2018

Total posts 5

Agreed - now an antiquated country, very isolated and choosing to throw away its prosperity by cancelling immigration (the policy that brought its wealth & diversity), and now picking a fight with its main customer, China. Morrison and Hunt are clueless - and have no plan to get this country out of the economic mess its currently in. Instead they say "we've done better than the UK". Labor is even worse; do we need an uprising?!

And now this border fiasco rubs salt into those oozing, bruised and agonising wounds. Get a grip Australia - wake and smell the harsh reality; let's not accept this. We must try to create a future for our children rather than just firing up the barbeque again, and opening the next case of Koonunga Hill.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

20 Oct 2017

Total posts 6

Yes, the exemption is just vague enough to allow overseas travel for celebrities, billionaires and former prime ministers, but to prevent travel by your average Joe just trying to keep his business going.  We are definitely not all in this together.  The Federal Government is destroying businesses in a vain attempt to achieve zero rate of infection.  When they finally wake up that this is not sustainable, it will be too late for small business.  

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

26 Jul 2012

Total posts 35

For many of us who were travelling regularly for business and leisure, because of the restrictions imposed by the Federal Govt for non essential travel, do we all get extensions to our passports over the time that we were not able to use them??

19 Feb 2020

Total posts 2

This is ludicrous, as long as you abide by the quarantine regulations on return and pay for them, why should you be restricted from leaving the country. A lot of people need to do trips that may not be classed as essential, but are still very important for business or highly personally important - e.g. O/S weddings, funerals, health, family, etc.

Why not setup specific hotels, with varying levels of accomodation and pricing for returning quarantiners - some of the travel I need to do is critical (but clearly not essential according to the govt), and I will pay the going rate to stay in a nice hotel for 2 weeks on return (and work from there) as the value of that far outweighs the cost of missing the trip(s).

At the end of the day, 50% of the money I make get's taken back by taxes - so let me work and take your cut - restrict me from traveling and we both get nothing (or worse I have to reduce staff that then end up on benefits)!

09 May 2017

Total posts 32

We are in London (live and work) and willing to pay to get back for work, the birth of a grandchild and two of our childrens weddings whenever they can be held (they are in Melbourne) the biggest issue are the caps - these caps are forcing high fares, 23,000 on DFAT registrations to come back, and a worrying quarantine system. agree so much with Sam either work on a tagging system - happy to wear an ankle or wrist bracelet, have an app, get covid clearance before I travel (have to for Emirates anyway), be visited by police whatever just remove the ludicrously low caps which prevent citizens getting back by stealth.  

I suppose they fear if they open the restriction on those that can leave it will seriously affect the returnees - they really need to fix the back end of arrivals first

02 Jul 2020

Total posts 11

ljcoz - the same position here, currently in the UK awaiting return  to Australia purely to apply for UK Visa. Its ridiculous. Like you I am happy for quarantine, pay for it, get tested, be checked on and as long as they don't want to put anything into my system I'm happy to have/wear their tracking device too. 

I have heard some dreadful stories regarding objection refusals - death beds, funerals, childrens weddings etc. Terrible, and t his is for people holding passports to those countries but Australia wont let them out. My understanding is, you are more likely to get an exemption to leave approved if you are leaving permanently or for an extended time frame (more than three months). But if the UK goes into the second wave they are talking about, then arrival caps might well happen here too and affect it the other way, even when Australia lets people out.

It's an unacceptable situation all around. 

10 Aug 2020

Total posts 12

II have to agree it is absolutely ridiculous to restrict average tax paying citizens to leave if they choose to.. they seem to be able to manage sports stars and celebrities to leave at will.. soon we will have university students coming in how's that fair for the average Australian.. it's really made me think about our way of life here.. you should have the option to atleast leave if you choose..

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Sep 2020

Total posts 4

And for Permanent Residents (i.e. non-citizens) such as Dorn posting above, the restrictions are even more draconian. Our Govt is imposing bureaucratic barriers to the lawful exit of citizens of other countries who declare a valid reason to leave. 

A Thai (Aust Permanent Resident visa) friend of ours wanted to visit her seriously ill parent in hospital in Thailand. On the third attempt after a month of trying she was granted permission, but after booked flights had departed etc. Sounds like she was one of the lucky ones.

How can we as a nation tolerate this? A totally unintelligent over reach.

Joe
Joe

03 May 2013

Total posts 516

Scott Morrison has no right to attack Chairwoman Anastasia anymore. He’s now equally guilty of being  of taking orders from brown cardigan wearing  medical bureaucrats; none of whose lives are effected financially or mentally. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Joe not sure you can say medical bureaucrats are not affected mentally, many do front line shifts and work 20 hours a day to hold the place health wise together. Just see the exhausted faces on the media after 2-3 months of a daily grind.

15 Aug 2018

Total posts 19

Joe said Medical “ bureaucrats”. They ain’t nurses at n the COVID ward but sit in government offices restricting your Life. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Ted as I said I think many of them who are doctors etc will do front line shifts and they will certainly take advice from and reflect the views of frontline staff. A hospital is also a government office is sorts.

05 Jan 2018

Total posts 37

front line shifts? you should stop smoking whatever it is you're inhaling cause its making you high. 

These are bureaucrats- thats their full time job. they're not ER doctors by night and CMOs by day mate. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Rotate as I said see the article by maya cubit the chair of the Australian College of emergency medicine, a health bureaucrat job if there was ever one and she does her fair share of shifts and catches COVID. Some are ER doctors by night and senior medical officers by day. Best to avoid stereotypes as it can be disrespectful.

05 Jan 2018

Total posts 37

the chair of a medical college- not a bureaucrat but an actual full time physician. chair of racp prof john wilson- not a bureaucrat. full-time physician. like the chair of the ABC its buttrose- also not a bureaucrat. chair of sydney water- not. chair of sir services australia- no.  medical officers practicing medicine- not a bureaucrat. working as cmo of australia- a bureaucrat. cho of vic- also a bureacrat. you need to learn how the public service works.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Rotate these are the very people who advise or dare I say tell the bureaucrats what to do, in my mind they are a bureaucrats and yes I do know how the public service works having been in some of these roles. They are not full time physicians any more they spend quite a bit of their time on bureaucratic roles. You will find a lot of public service officials who are doctors also practicing. It keeps their qualifications current and also being hands on.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Joe I suggest you read the story on ABC by Maya Cubit about what a mild case of COVID does to you. When you get to the end you realise she is also a health bureaucrat.

XWu
XWu

09 May 2020

Total posts 94

@Joe

You would need to realise the “health advice” from health bureaucrats often involved 3 scenarios: “best case”, “worst case” and “most likely case”, which can be vastly different.

It’s the politicians who choose to hear what they want to hear and use it as a tool to justify what they do. 

Sometimes if you hear what the state CMO says in response to questions, it is often crafted not to come into conflict with the political leaders’ stances, while still delivering some form of truth. Sometimes we get too used to trusting the messages from experience early in the pandemic such that when the answers starts to be given with a certain nuance we still take it at face value.

Hence it is easy for some states to keep their border closed while underemployed/unemployed people still have federal support, but whenever that is withdrawn, the full economic impact of border closure will be revealed although state premiers will blame federal government for not continuing the jobseeker/keeper program going.

I don’t think any commonwealth CMO or dCMO ever properly address on camera the medical reasons for restricting outward bound travel for general purposes other than concerns about health safety of Australians overseas,  it I am happy to be corrected on that

XWu
XWu

09 May 2020

Total posts 94

And looks like the Tasmanian premier is the first one getting caught out for misusing the public health human shield as it suit him

S
S

13 Sep 2013

Total posts 114

Surely after a few months they will realise this has been a gross overreaction!!

Australia is the Maude Flanders of countries... “Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children!!”

Absolutely ridiculous and draconian. The entire world moves on, Prison Island steps back to the 1800s.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Guesswho worth checking but border restrictions are being toughened right across Europe and Canada’s border with America is still closed. Not sure the whole world is moving on as much as you suggest.

21 Dec 2016

Total posts 36

But the whole world has recognised that locking up your own citizens, preventing them from exercising a basic human right for month after month, when less than 10% of all transmissions are from returned travelers, when there's a greater likelihood of an Australian getting Covid  at the AFL than in London or Copenhagen or New York, when there's no scientific basis in refusing to let someone go to New Zealand if they're perfectly happy letting them in - well, the whole world has recognised that that's just silly, cruel, and ignorant.  That's why no one else is doing it - except Malaysia.  As another commenter pointed out, that's a pretty low bar.

You're right, but none of them are implementing (what essentially amounts to) an exit visa policy. To be clear, I'm not suggesting inbound quarantine is the wrong approach, but preventing us leaving and capping inbound arrivals is insane, especially when we're paying our own way for the hotel quarantine (which I guess provides some level of much needed revenue for the underutilised hotels).

It's not rosy anywhere in the world right now, and of course the grass is always greener on the other side, but there's a lot wrong with the way we're being forced to go about our lives here, imo.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

gueeswho the question is: is there enough quarantine hotels for 4,000 a day or 40,000 a day (for two weeks each: 4,000 a day would require 45,000 hotel beds over the two weeks for that day's arrivals alone, regardless of who pays). The 10% infections from returned travelers doesn't add up. The daily announcements from each state suggests it is much more. In QLD and WA it it pretty well all from travelers in quarantine, NSW one quarter to one third, and a small number only test positive later in their quarantine period. In Auckland that had seven positive cases on one  plane of returning kiwis..

17 Jun 2020

Total posts 75

And how many inbound flights into Australia and New Zealand have had zero cases? 

On a full and not selective level, there are 450 people per day arriving in Sydney a day, and 0-3 cases per day in hotel quarantine. This is a rate of 0% to 0.5%. I'm sure most of these cases, like the case of 7 people in NZ you're referring to would be from locations such as India. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

KW does it matter where they are from if they’ve got it they’ve got it. Note in the early days the US was a large source...remember Tom Hanks. If more flights were from America that is where they would be the main source. Note if those 3 or 4 weren’t quarantined then they would be local transmission. It is not the proportion from planes but the proportion of new cases is the issue and why quarantine makes sense.  You seem to be suggesting that because mostflights have zero cases we give up on quarantine. Just a reminder it only takes one who is on the move to be a super spreader.

15 Aug 2018

Total posts 19

Risk based approach. What the government won’t tell you is that most positive travellers come from the sub continent. There has been zero cases imported from NZ/HK/Taiwan residents for example .

The solution is electronically monitored home quarantine for arrivals from low risk countries and hotel quarantine ONLY for high risk counties. 

Electronically ( locked wrist band +Tracking app) monitored home quarantine has been used for MONTHS already in Singapore and HK. Their governments are hardly soft touches. 

Time for Australia to move out of the 19th century into the 21st. 

This solves quarantine capacity and therefore outbound bans in one fell swoop. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Ted do we have to remind you that the US has been a major source of infection: remember Tom Hanks or the Vale skiing party. As others have noted Australians would not accept the Taiwan tracking app which is for everyone, and compulsory, and far more intrusive than our COVD safe app. Australians would also not take to tracking wrist bands as well (as WA is finding out).  You could try wrist stamps like they do in India but no one would come at that either. By the way both Singapore and Taiwan still have outbreaks.

09 May 2017

Total posts 32

As a returning traveller, I would take a wrist band any day and stay in my own private accommodation rather than be stuck in a hotel room with my husband for two weeks in a static cruise ship called Hotel Quarantine

09 May 2017

Total posts 32

I'd challenge that - WA receives 500 quarantine passengers a week say and have 2 active cases - so that would be across a number of weeks.  Very, very low risk now they have multiple protocols in place.  Also Emirates requires a covid test within 72 hours of departure again cutting risk - not eliminating it - but cutting it

Air Canada - Aeroplan

28 Feb 2015

Total posts 40

Only the Canada-US land border is closed. No problem flying in either direction (though in Canada you have to self-isolate for 14 days coming from anywhere outside the country, or even across most provincial borders).

P1
P1

24 Apr 2017

Total posts 57

If you don't like it, leave :)

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

You tell me how to do that then.

How do i leave Australia if i am an Australian Citizen ?

P
P

17 Jan 2018

Total posts 65

I wonder what the progressive politicians of the 70/80s would say about all these restrictions. Australia going backwards at a rate of knots. Thank god China still buying the dirt (until they find somewhere else). Even then the politicians doing their best to antagonize Australians biggest trading partner for next 100 years. Hopeless and pathetic strategy and leadership across the board.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

P progressive politicians of the 70s and 80s. Malcolm Fraser with John Howard as treasurer; surely not.

P
P

17 Jan 2018

Total posts 65

Patrick if you dont recognise or want to acknowledge the huge progress made by OZ in the 70/80s then more fool you. You should stop trying to defend every lousy decision and policy stance of Aust Govt, bureaucrats and AJ. There is so much that needs to change but with mindsets like yours Australia will continue to go backwards. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

P I agree there was progress in the 70s but largely undone by Fraser and Howard. There was more progress in the 80s largely undone by Howard.  It seems we disagree on that on some fundamental ideology. Most of Australia is on stage 2 restrictions or lighter at the moment (except parts of NSW and Victoria) while the rest of the world is tightening. This is because of state policies. The economic impact is much less than in most countries. So while Australia may be going backwards relative to others not as far. I’m in the ‘go early go hard’ camp like Thailand, Vietnam, New Zealand and dare I say it China. There are clear ideological differences (I think you call it mindsets) between us on what the state should do. I fully respect yours but don’t agree with the outcome of the policies you are advocating.

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

24 Aug 2020

Total posts 5

Sad as it is, I doubt we'll see any significant inbound or outbound travel here until a vaccine is produced and implemented worldwide.

26 Mar 2020

Total posts 9

This is true - and the average vaccine takes 10 - 15 years to develop (check my source if you don't believe me) 

https://www.ifpma.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/IFPMA-ComplexJourney-2019_FINAL.pdf

So the option is to continue to close border for the next 10 - 15 years or actually work out a way to have international travel done in the most Covid safe way

26 Mar 2020

Total posts 9

Well be prepared to wait for 10 - 15 years - the average vaccines takes this long to develop.

Research it yourself if you don't believe me

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Travel the current set of vaccines are all built on the earlier work on SARS over the past ten years. It depends on your starting point. As we are at stage three trials we are reaching the end of the 10-15 year period you correctly point out. Won’t be the end of this year but we will know the results of the stage 3 trials by then and have quite a bit of manufacturing happening by then, so mid to late next year is my uneducated guess for a broadly available vaccine that sort of works. Another year for one that really maybe in concert with others.

QFF

16 May 2016

Total posts 60

World is moving on and accepting this can't be eradicated. Australia and NZ meanwhile.....determined to destroy economy and lives in another way. Medical officers steering the ship and providing advice on their area of expertise - health. They are not considering economic impact, nor is it their role. Up tot the Govts to weight this advice with economic impact. Which they seem to be ignoring, Is anyone in Gov actually listening to broader business community??

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

24 Aug 2020

Total posts 5

Having the medical profession run Government policy is a worry for sure. I'm in the music / touring business and believe me, I want all borders open ASAP. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

TZ and our economy has been much less affected than those more open ones such as Sweden, the UK or the US. Be careful for what you wish for.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Sep 2020

Total posts 4

Affected less due to one word answer: Jobkeeper

XWu
XWu

09 May 2020

Total posts 94

@TZB88

You are right about medical officers not considering the the economic impact; it is not their role. 

But not right about them steering the ship; they are used as the excuses to suit whatever political decisions are made. See my comments above to Joe

And federal money to support workers make it easier to keep the border closed if that is the decision

05 Oct 2016

Total posts 11

This is a ludicrous state of affairs.

Remember, it isn't just Australia citizens who are impacted - citizens of other countries, like me, who happen to be resident here back in March, are stuck here too. 

I am desperate to get back to my home country, but the Australia government sees fit to imprison me here, for absolutely no justification. What risk am I to Australia if I leave? I used to associate Down Under with a land of freedom, and I was happy to get my permanent residency. I didn't realise that was a prison sentence. If I ever get out, I would be reluctant to ever set foot here again for fear of being arbitrarily detained for another year or more with no justification whatsover, and with a travel ban that seems to be extended whenever the government sees fit, without the slightest consultation.

Etihad - Etihad Guest

23 May 2019

Total posts 5

Surely they'd let you leave if you're relocating to another country. I know first hand people that are citizens that have left Australia recently to take up residency in other countries.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Sep 2020

Total posts 4

You are 100% correct Dorn. I posted below re a similar situation to yours. Totally unacceptable, abjectly embarrassing. As a seventh generation Australian I'm seriously considering leaving  for good too (if ever allowed).

The smug bureaucrats, risk-averse population and so-called progressives approve of the new Australia. It makes me sick to the stomach, and expect our prison island reputation will return to bite us.

05 Jan 2018

Total posts 37

we've given the snotty kids from school, the nigel-no-mates, too much power. these bureaucrats have no skin in the game. 

BAEC

10 Jul 2019

Total posts 13

Perhaps its time to coin a term?? No longer can the Aussie's call the brit's POM's as it is now us who now being held at the governments pleasure.... 

10 Aug 2020

Total posts 12

I am no longer proud to be Australian.. this government and it's medical profession cronies keeping the borders closed is absolutely ridiculous there just running a political fear campaign ..between them and the media there actually doing a pretty good job of it.. if it's really about the health of Australians tell me why don't they close the border's to the tobacco industry??it directly contributes to over 15000 deaths each year and enormous amounts of illness... ohhh I forgot the government has 17.5 billion reasons for that.. secure tax revenue annually... way up those risks and stat's against covid and border closures people have the right to smoke with a warning of consequences... so why can't people travel if they choose accepting the risks of covid.. they can put a warning label and a few gory pictures on ya ticket..these are just thoughts......

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Tourer you would be right except smoking is not contagious but COVID is. If people killed themselves is one issue but making many others sick or dead is another.

so to be clear, we can book flights now, to fly overseas from 17 or is it 18 December 2020 ?

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

regular you may be able to book them on a non-QANTAS fights: you can try as you may be an exempt person, but for most I suspect the government wont allow it. If QANTAS are taking bookings it is just to see what the pent up demand is (or for cash flow if people are silly enough to book them) but they will cancel them a month or two out.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Oct 2011

Total posts 379

There is no guarantee that Australians will be allowed to travel freely from mid-December. The ban may be extended again, just as it has been this time. Or - if there's a vaccine or cure, it could be lifted before December. The short answer is no-one actually knows when we will be able to travel overseas again (without an exemption).

15 Aug 2018

Total posts 19

They will move the goal posts again later. Incompetent clowns. 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

They just announced increased capacity into Australia but it won’t be through Sydney which is at capacity. Canberra and Hobart even got a mention.

24 Aug 2011

Total posts 749

What was announced is that other ports will accept more incoming arrivals but it is up to the commercial airlines whether they choose to service them.  Obviously Perth and Brisbane have existing flights that could increase the number of pax they carry.  It is hard to see many airlines being too interested in operating flights to DRW, HBA or CBR unless there is significant currently unfilled demand for outbound freight from those locations.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Hobart can certainly do outbound freight as it already does heaps to China. Canberra could only take one a week anyway due to bed capacity but then ag freight out from the region could work. Darwin likewise on tropical fruit and high end beef. So Darwin Hobart and Canberra could take an A330 per week. Inbound freight is harder case for Canberra in particular, but the others are quite remote say there may be inbound freight demand.

13 May 2016

Total posts 40

I dont want any Here

Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer

03 Jul 2018

Total posts 32

Clearly the Medical authorities couldn't care less if Australians left Australia...why would they? Their concern is with them coming back. At the moment, there is a huge list of Australians that want to return, but can't. Of course, if more were allowed out, more could come back, but flights are no longer cheap ,and we are still not encouraging overseas tourists... and I think the general public is more than happy with that restriction. 

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Nov 2012

Total posts 3

I have no problems with the restrictions, not keen to travel overseas any time soon. I was booked to fly to the UK in a few weeks time, cancelled by Qantas several months ago. Given the COVID situation in England, I'm thinking 2022.

24 Jun 2020

Total posts 4

Joyce nailed it in his recent press release - it is ALL political band standing !!!

I hope we all get back on the travel merry-go-round in 2021 to anywhere our democratic society has allowed in the past.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Nov 2018

Total posts 3

I am absolutely sick of our borders being closed. Foremost within our own country, are we not ONE Australia, do we not help each other out? Secondly, our international borders. Many would or need to travel.

But I do have a few ideas: how about creating a Covid-19 test that will give you a result in less than 30mins, instead of waiting for a vaccine. That would solve a lot of problems. Then why not build a small tent city where people could wait in quarantine instead of expensive hotels. The Defence Force has certainly tents available and could build a proper infrastructure.

we have a ticket to LAX currently booked for departure from australia in early December, which has been changed 3 times.

We've asked airline if we can name change & one of our former staff, who's stuck in USA, use it to fly one way LAX/BNE.

ie. throw away BNE/LAX.

Asked a week ago. No answer yet.

This is just over-reactive nonsense, bordering on the dystopian.  But the problem is that it plays to a particular domestic audience.  More's the pity for those of us whose lives aren't centered on the isolated bliss of the Australian suburbs.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Sep 2020

Total posts 4

Best of luck mate. Wish I was there, rather than in the Orwellian isolation of Brisbane 'burbs.

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 1

It’s terrible, people have loved ones overseas that they don’t know when they are going to see each other again.

We should be allowed to leave Australia, pay for your quarantine before you leave. 

I’m sure there are plenty hotels that could be used! 

It’s terrible to keep people locked in like this.

Not happy at all.. this is beyond a joke! 

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

So i have a question.

I work FIFO.For 14 days i am onsite.Then i have 7 days of RnR . Normally with my wife in Thailand.Have flown home to Thailand for the past 2 years.

Now thanks to Morrison i have not seen my wife in 6 months.She is not in the best of health but my attempts at an exemption have been unsuccessful.

I have read that an exemption is not necessary if one can prove that they"normally reside in another Country" So how does one do this when the only means of communication is through the online form ?

So how can i prove i normally reside in Thailand?All my worldly possessions are there.All i have here is a car in storage.

My passport clearly shows that every time i take RnR i fly home to Thailand.I want to take at least 2 months off work and return home.Not 2 weeks.2 months.

And yes i understand i need to isolate when returning to Australia.

Hopefully someone can shed some light on this crap situation.I feel for the people who have it far worse than i do but this is my predicament.

Cheers Australia

02 Jul 2020

Total posts 11

Hi Thaifarang,

If your passport movements show you have spent more time in another country over the last 12-24 months than you have in Australia, then you can claim to be “ordinarily resident in another country”.  If that is the case then you are already exempt. That means that not only do you NOT have to apply for an exemption to leave, but that if you do it will likely be refused. I read recently that they automatically refuse applications for those already in exempt categories.

If you haven’t spent more time in another country, you could rely on your citizenship maybe, or try on compassionate grounds or “urgent personal business”. There doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to why they approve or refuse exemption requests.

I feel your pain; i was halfway through a move from Australia to the UK when this hit, now here in England with continually bounced flights back to Australia (where I am ONLY going to for the purpose of lodging uk visa application) and husband is back there so I’ve not seen him in six months. I cant believe Australia has locked its citizens in. Nightmare.

Good luck with it, all the best.

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

Morning Matilda50

Firstly thanks you for the information.My passport shows that every RnR that i have my time off work that up until Covid-19 came along I flew home to Thailand to be with my wife.So that is well documented in my passport. But i am in Australia(up working on a mine site) for 14 days at a time as my roster is 14 days on and 7 days off so that has me concerned that they will decide that since i am in Australia for work  that i am residing in Australia the majority of the time , even though i fly home to be with my wife in my adopted country of Thailand.

The problem with this is that nowhere can i find someone to actually talk from Border Force to to get confirmation that they view me as "Ordinarily a resident in another country"And I have tried twice on compassionate grounds and both times have been rejected. So I'm trying to find out now exactly where i can go to speak with a real person in regards to me flying home as I am Ordinarily a resident of Thailand.

And your predicament shows just how draconian these measures truly are so i too wish you good luck as i do to everyone trying to get things done.

Its absolutely draconian to prevent your Citizens from leaving the country !

Fingers crossed

XWu
XWu

09 May 2020

Total posts 94

From what I understand from another ET forum, they count the actual number of days in and out of Australia in the last 365 days on the day of departure so you have to be fairly confident of your calculation and had to be on the proposed departure date since the “ normally overseas resident “ clause does not need online approval (hence cannot be preapproved)

09 May 2017

Total posts 32

Would your tax state show you are an australian tax resident - no luck otherwise - or if you spend over 183 nights in Australia.  They look at these and say no if you fit in either of these categories

26 Oct 2017

Total posts 6

This is hard for pretty much all of us. Clearly, its tough for most who’ve posted to this thread - I think we’re all feeling it. I feel for ThaiFarang and I hope you get home soon.

For me, I hate not being able to leave the house more than once a day and having to wear a mask every time I do. It’s gutting to see the businesses closing down in the neighbourhood and friends losing their jobs. It’s a bit reassuring to know our governments (on our behalf) are spending billions to try and cushion the blow.

I hate not being able to see my parents in Perth - but I’m really glad they’re safe and well. If we hadn’t moved here from the UK years ago, pretty sure they wouldn’t be. I hate the fact that I won’t get to see my aunt again, after C-19 burnt through the UK earlier this year. 

I’m jealous when I see folks in Europe sloshing around the Mediterranean when I didn’t get my overseas holiday this year - poor me. I hate the fact that my friends in London are terrified about what’s coming in winter. I feel for those families who saved for year for a cheap week’s holiday on the Costa del Sol and then had to pay £800 to get home to beat a last minute quarantine deadline. 

The rest of the world’s moved on! Really? Like the US, or Brazil? Yep - the rest of the world know’s what its doing. Let’s open up the border - I’ve got a trip planned. I promise I’ll stay home and be good for two weeks when I get back. Yep sure - we’ve seen here in Victoria over the past few months that everyone who needs to quarantine or isolate is going to do just that. No worries.

It’s scary that our governments don’t have all the answers and get things wrong dealing with the worst health crisis in a century. It’s scary that no country in the world seems to know how to get it right. Although it’s true that some countries with more of a communitarian, less individualistic ethos seem to do better...countries that have seen this type of thing before. 

I read that India hit 80,000 cases today.  That 1% fatality rate in a country like Australia, where we have one of the world’s best health systems - it’s scary. I wonder what its like in developing countries whose people can only dream of the kind of safety and support we take for granted. 

It’s horrible to see how when this virus gets out it hits the most vulnerable and marginalised the hardest - while those of us privileged enough to work from home and live on delivery can moan about North Korea. Yeah - right. Just like North Korea.

Apparently, no effective vaccine has ever been developed against a coronavirus.  When it gets you bad - your lungs - they aren’t identifiable as lungs any more. There were nursing homes in the US described as charnel houses. 

Lucky we’re on an island. Lucky we’re rich and have one of the best public health systems in the world. 

I’m humbled by the doctors, nurses and other frontline caregivers - the last line of defence for all of us - who quite literally risk their lives every day - a risk they didn’t ever sign up for.  

The first case of coronavirus in Italy was recorded on 21 February.

(ANSA) - Rome, April 15 - The death toll from the coronavirus among Italy's doctors rose to 120 as five more physicians died on Wednesday.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Thanks NBen well said

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

26 Jul 2012

Total posts 35

Just on the matter of whether passport holders will have an extension to their passport due to restrictions on International travel, as no one wanted to chat or add anything of use to this, I have taken the liberty of inquiring to the Source, The Hon Marise Payne ,Foreign Minister. I will of course let you know the answer! I think the question is totally pertinent!

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Oct 2011

Total posts 379

The answer will be no, for a very practical reason. The expiry date of the passport is part of the encoded info that the machines scan when you swipe/insert your passport. They could only be changed by issuing a new passport with a new date. Even if Australia was to say they would ignore the expiry date for the next 12 months, the foreign country that you were trying to enter would not.

we must be seriously close to some sort of civil war in Australia. In USA they shoot their politicians. We can't be far away from that here.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Regular I’m not sure who the civil war would be between. Most of the country’s on stage 2 mild restrictions and public support is through the roof. People in WA, Tas, SAcand Qld like the closed borders evidenced by the reluctance of the relevant opposition parties to make it an issue fearing it would be the kiss of death. One half hearted demonstration in Melbourne doth not make a civil war. We see what is happening in America and Europe and certainly don’t want that here.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

13 Jan 2018

Total posts 26

Patrick, I could suggest a war between those who are receiving gob loads of cash while engaged in zero economic activity and those who are working their backsides off for, often, less money, who will need to pay those gob loads of cash back at some time in the future. Or both groups against the so called "leaders" who deliberately shut down the economy. Unless, of course, the guv'mnt has secretly embraced MMT and the cash is simply created out of thin air which is a distinct possibility. In which case and with an effective vaccine, maybe, perhaps, Fortress Australia may prove to have been the least deadly place to be during COVID. The collateral consequences, however, remain to be determined and may make the effects of COVID pale into insignificance.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

13 Jan 2018

Total posts 26

This is like being a non-white person living under apartheid in South Africa. Not allowed to travel within ones own country. Being restricted to designated areas. Papers, name and address frequently demanded to prove that you had permission to be in a place. Ban on international travel.

Ironic, given that Australia and its government were so committed to freedom in South Africa yet with the overwhelming support of its people impose the same restrictions on itself. Odd indeed...

26 Mar 2020

Total posts 9

Instead of focusing on what cannot be done how about the government focus on what we "can do".

They should set up a team to work out a way on how we can safely open our border for international travel  - instead of all putting our heads in the sand in the hope of a miracle "vaccine".

Why don't do they have a new approach to hotel quarantine - it could become an entirely new industry (even creating new jobs) quarantining international travellers with very strict regulations set by the government similar to our aviation industry. 

For example, participating hotels would offer their different levels of service offerings but the principle concept would remain the same (traveller has to remain inside an isolated room for 14 days).

So returned traveller would have budget options, mid range options, luxury options etc and Hotels would compete on price to offer their version of hotel quarantine (in accordance with strict government regulations).

It could work in a similar way to the aviation - we have the Civil Aviation authority that sets the standard and the airlines offer their diffirent service levels (Jet star - Budget, Qantas - Full service, Virgin Australia etc) but the plane you hope on has the same level of safety standards across all airlines.

Why can't hotel quarantine be the same? - The government can even say "Govt Personale" must oversee the security and enforcement of isolation.

it would make hotel quarantine more affordable and travellers would have more control over their 14 day stay. 

26 Mar 2020

Total posts 9

This is an example - of what a free market hotel quarantine could look like:

 Ibis Hotel Quarantine - basic meals, limited internet and entertainment for 14 days = $800 14 days

Marriott - Wellness meals with a focus on organic foods, unlimited virtual fitness classes by resident PT trainer, unlimited internet = $1000 14 days

Hilton Hotel - 5 star meals with unlimited snacks, beverages, cocktails, unlimited internet, daily amenity wellness kit, limousine transfer after release from quarantine = $3000 14 days

You get the idea!!!!

All hotels would have the same strict protocols and ADF outside etc

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Travel a great idea bu is there enough beds. If 4000 a day, then that is 45,000 beds for that days passengers for 14 days. They could reopen the mining camp near Darwin in the early days and there may be other similar places about. If they wanted to they could make it work.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

27 Aug 2014

Total posts 32

haven't read all the posts, so maybe already said, but my 2 cents worth...

I don't see why Australians can't travel to countries that will allow us in, with whatever conditions they wish to impose.  If that means 14 days quarantine or able to stand on one leg for 60 seconds, and I can accept those conditions, then why not.  

Part of the deal of course is that you leave in full knowledge of what it may take to return to Australia, and that may involve an expensive flight option, and quarantine again on arrival.  Buyer beware.

I don't want to go to a hotel to quarantine. I don't want to quarantine at all.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

17 Oct 2016

Total posts 10

Why is any of this surprising? Australians are the most risk averse nation in the world. If we can't manage a problem with leaf blowers or signage it's a crisis. Were just a shadow of the ANZAC spirit that all these obese, tattooed blobs march for today.  Tony Abbot hit the nail on the head last week. The risk for us is all these other countries move through COVID and we stay locked down because were all scared of the dark. This correspondent hasn't seen his wife in 6 months and it hurts, it's destructive and it is everything that is wrong about Australians and Australia.

02 May 2018

Total posts 5

Thai Faraing, sorry to say you're screwed under the "residing overseas claim". You pay tax in Australia, and you spend 2/3rds of your year here not there.  Are you legally married? if you can provide marriage certificate, lease with both names on it, bank account with both names? then you would have more chance for an exemption. Not able to? then again you're ineligible. Try getting a job offer in Thailand for 3 months minimum. I believe if you're moving overseas for more than 3 months you have a better chance at an exemption. 

Patrickk.....since when did West Aussies reject ankle brackets for dickheads who keep breaking quarantine?? We are all for it mate. As for restricted numbers of incoming......Rottnest Island can take 1000s, and as it's surrounded by sharks and a bloody long swim back to the mainland, it's the perfect place for quarantine passengers (even tourists prepared to start their holiday with 14 days on Rotto)

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

Azureroo

Have tried the spousal visa route.Thailand said yes i can enter Thailand but the faceless cake eater in Canberra has rejected my application for an exemption on both compassionate and also spousal grounds.Twice.This is now just cheap political point scoring using us Citizens as pawns on the chess board.

What they would do if that was not the case would be to open the border for citizens that wanted to either leave the country for 2-3 months or even for good.I left for Thailand as the PC madness in my former home is like a cancer eating at the very fabric of Australian society.And now they force me to stay here.

And yes, i thought they may use the how many days in Australia get out clause, even though my 14 days are spent on a locked minesite in the middle of bloody nowhere.

Politicians shit me !!

05 Jan 2018

Total posts 37

there has to be a point at which an australian citizen has to tell the govt screw you. we're a free people not north korea. quotas for entry! whats the point of being a citizen? exit visas! what on earth...

10 Aug 2020

Total posts 12

I think all we can do is be patient save our dollars and wait for the government stimulus to end in march.. when a couple of million more people hit the dole cues that might make the government reconsider what it is doing to this country and its citizens.  So many peoples lives and businesses rely on international travel industry... the dollar talks... 

Emirates Airlines - Skywards

23 Mar 2020

Total posts 8

Unfortunately this virus is going nowhere. It’s out there, it’s killing the old and leaving some survivors with lasting effects, some of them severe. 

However locking us indoors won’t stop it, and this continual count of positive test results is supporting government restrictions on us all, the world over. 

The important figures are not the number of positive test results, rather the number needing hospital treatment, and intensive care. The whole point of “flattening the curve” was all to do with hospitals being overwhelmed by huge numbers of sick people all needing treated by oxygen and ventilators. This situation generally didn’t and hasn’t happened. What is needed now before every business goes down the Swanee is let us get back to normal. I am in the very vulnerable age group but I despair at the thought of living my last years locked in, kept away from my grandchildren, and scared to go out to get bread and milk! 

Yes, people will die, but hundreds of people are dying every day, in road accidents, due to heart attacks, strokes, cancer, suicide etc etc we cannot live our lives thinking we’ll drop dead any minute. 

Let us free, free to travel again, free to see our families again, free to work and shop, in short, let us free to live! 

07 Sep 2020

Total posts 1

Absolutely right and I wish more people like you were voicing out their opinions.So many families( including children) abroad are separated  because of this.Not to mention all these people who have partners both interstate and in other countries.We are just being unrealistic and think we an control a virus.Pure madness.

can't keep going like we are, until March as other countries are opening. Domestic air travel in China is back to pre corona levels.

think the country is about to explode.

Big test will be queensland election. Labor will be masaacred I think in 7 weeks, then politicians will know they have to change things for the better.

24 Aug 2011

Total posts 749

I don't like the Qld Gov't but, at this stage, I'd expect them to be returned.  They don't deserve it but they are playing the parochial politics well.  The economy will be a smoking wreck but it is all about power.

09 Sep 2020

Total posts 1

I'm Canadian and my boyfriend is Australian. We haven't seen eachother since March 18th. I miss him so much, this travel ban is just awful!

 I was meant to be living in Aus on a working visa in June.  What do you Australian citizens think the likelihood of overseas travel are by Christmas? My boyfriend and I kind of avoid talking about when we think it will open up, because it's just sad and we are trying to stay positive. Surley there are lots of people in the same situation as us too!  I just need some good news.  😪 

11 Sep 2020

Total posts 1

Hi xxemilyxx, 

I know how you feel. I’m from California and my girlfriend lives in Queensland. We were planning to meet for the first time in June but unfortunately Covid hit. We’ve also avoid talking about anything Covid related because it brings our mood down. I’ve done extensive research on when Australia may open its boarders and I’m just hoping it’s soon so I can finally be with the person I love. 

so reading this again

The order, which has been in place since March 18, will now continue until December 17 2020, Health Minister Greg Hunt has announced.

Does this imply that at 12.01am Dec 17 or is it Dec 18, airlines will be lining up to take off internationally ? Obviously not from SYD due to stupid curfew.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Regular,

There will be some restriction still as Sco Mo said. What they are we won't know until early December.  There are not that may airlines that can line up to take off internationally but the existing  airlines (Qatar, SQ, CX, AA) may increase their frequency and QF may use its A333s depending on where they can go to and what the return requirements are. e.g Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan. Any further is unlikely

patrickk

You make statements as if they were facts.

You don't know, eg.

1. There will be some restriction still as Sco Mo said. What they are we won't know until early December. 

2. e.g Singapore, Hong Kong, and Japan. Any further is unlikely

I wouldn't be surprised in fiji air put an A350 on BNE/NAN dec 18 & the aircraft continues onto LAX or SFO.

If we don't let them fill aircraft with passengers without any restrictions or stupid quarantine, then they might go to china for aid.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Regular I did use the term 'may', and 'unlikely', which means I agree with you, and like you, I don't know. I can remember you predictions form March April, which were far more certain than mine.

interestingly, fiji air have a 737 scheduled dec 17 BNE/NAN at 2235. If ban ends at 2359, dec 17 (statement was not clear whether it menat ban was in place up to 2359 dec 16 or 17) then maybe they might bump it up to an A350 or A332 or A333 & delay that flight by a few hours & sell 100 seats for $100 one way (+taxes) as a massive promo, or they might have to take into account a few inbound passengers & have aircraft arrive at gate at BNE at 12.01am.

21 Sep 2020

Total posts 1

This draconian national government and even worse state government are killing this country economically.

We need to travel to do business , most countries are allowing it , Australia is now on a slippy downward spiral.

Whats up with these idiots in charge , just getting off on playing politics with each other , I wish to leave Sydney and go to UK and Switzerland for business , I cant!

Why cant they adopt safe covid testing before after travel? I would even accept a tag on my ankle to quarantine at home.

This misery is caused by the Australian federal and state governments because they are inept and dont understand business.

Let us travel but by all means test and trace us 

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Andy other countries with looser lockdowns are being hit harder economically, and they are locking down again now with the second wave.. See "Why harsh COVID-19 lockdowns are good for the economy" By Ian Verrender on the ABC website.

ABC ? Who would listen to them. Know then the opposite is probably true.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Regular this is about reading rather than 'listening' and the evidence is put out there for you to be the judge after reading it, rather than before..

as usual disagree with you. Don't think evidence IS out there.

I have a major problem believing anything a public servant, who is trying to justify his/her employment, says.

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

20 Oct 2017

Total posts 6

I can understand your argument if you are talking about lockdowns, i.e. not letting people into your country.   But why stop your own citizens leaving? How does that give you a better economic outcome?  In fact its the opposite.  If the government would let me resume my business overseas I would be generating export income in services, on which I pay GST and income tax.  It makes zero sense.  By all means lock us up when we come back to Australia, and I am happy to pay the hotel bill. That is a small (tax deductible?) price to pay for allow my business to function again.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

PFM I fully agree on the ban on leaving the country no logic whatsoever. I had a colleague who's work insurers wouldn't let then travel from Alice to Darwin all within a territory with no cases: go figure as they say.

The insurer can;t stop him/her travelling. What you probably meant to say is no travel insurance, but travel insurance doesn't do much domestically anyway with medicare etc.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

I did mean insurer (in this case) as for businesses the risk is a public liability one, which private travel insurance doesn't, and doesn't have to cover. Many workplaces require it, even though the risk is very low, but they do go into a COVID panic. If there were COVID cases around cases and the person caught it and was debilitated then it could get costly: but in this case there are no cases, and so the risk is negligible..

10 Aug 2020

Total posts 12

It's totally outrageous to impose a ban on exiting a country.. many would be happy to leave and ride it out in another country.. it's messing with people's lives ,relationships ,business and more.. there are some responsible people capable of taking care of themselves.. and of making decisions on how to live there lives... 

public servants don't care as long as they are paid. Most have just recd. a pay rise.

If we cut public servants pay, they would all recommend we open everything up immediately.

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 950

Regular you realise you are talking about doctors in public hospitals, who staff emergency departments and COVID wards, and have among if not the highest COVID infection rates in the workforce. Hp

02 Jul 2020

Total posts 11

tourer, if you are talking about riding it out in another country you might get around it. I understand that an exemption is more likely to be approved if the  applicant is making an extended trip (more than 3 months) or leaving permanently. Its the return factor that they are concerned about apparently. 

But otherwise, I agree - ridiculous and outrageous. 

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case.I have now applied 4 times to leave for over 90 days to be with the sick wife and still a no go.

The shit part is that the Australian Government is so gutless that you cannot speak with someone face to face.All roads lead you to the online form to apply and then you get a reply email saying you don’t fit the criteria.

Bloody cake eaters !

10 Aug 2020

Total posts 12

It's totally Outrageous denying the right to be with loved ones.. this government has totally got it wrong... if someone is willing to go and stay overseas with someone they love or whatever it may be..  that poses no risk to other Australians.. it appears they just don't want dollars leaving our shores... I'm sick of hearing spend your money here.. 

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

So finally after 7 failed attempts for an exemption i received confirmation that i have been classed as EXEMPT !!!!

So now i can fly home to Thailand to see the sick wife.One hurdle down ...so

Does anyone know where i can find information on what flights are actually leaving Perth or anywhere in Australia for Thailand?

And so many more questions about what if i need to travel to say Victoria for a flight to Thailand? Need to quarantine in Victoria if coming from Perth? I understand what i am required to do on my return some three months later regarding my more than likely quarantine of 14 days.

People KEEP TRYING!!!!! DO NOT GIVE UP As the border force people are waking up to this fiasco of closed borders also.

Hopefully you all get to see your loved ones soon. And if i can provide questions to your answers i will try.

And hopefully someone can give me some information so i can jump another hurdle on my way home.

Khop khun krup (Thanks)

Matthew

02 Jul 2020

Total posts 11

Excellent news Matthew - so happy for you.

I suspect your continued refusals were because you were already exempt - I remember reading that they were refusing to grant exemptions to people already in exempt categories (mind you, they could have told you that in the first place).

I hope all is well with your wife and you enjoy your visit home.

All the best. 

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

Cheers Matilda

Now to find flights...the struggle continues

P
P

17 Jan 2018

Total posts 65

Thaifarang. Think your best bet will be Singapore Airlines transiting in Singapore. Get out of Australia from Perth otherwise you will be subject to more crazy random rules and restrictions. 

04 Sep 2020

Total posts 8

And thats the first of many more hurdles as it seems SIA do not have any flights from Perth.Actually finding it hard to see a flight from Perth to Singapore so the struggle continues.

02 Jul 2020

Total posts 11

Will you need to go Perth-Syd-Singapore? Brisbane? At least in Perth you are not a hot spot so the other states might  let you transit through with no problem if you cant find a direct  flight, hopefully. 

I'm  wondering if Sydney has gone into another lockdown or something as Ive  just opened my email to see my seventh flight has just been cancelled, London-Syd. I thought Sydney was a good bet since landing in Melbourne gets me cancelled every time. Have to investigate as I dont get the Aussie news right away but my advice would be to get out of Australia by the speediest way possible before they change the rules again.

Safe travels. 

02 May 2018

Total posts 5

Singapore Airlines are flying out of Perth, but only a few times a week. Be aware you must book both flights on ONE ticket (Perth-Singapore and Singapore-Bangkok) on a Singapore group airline (Singapore, Scoot or Silk Air). Also the other trap is that "transfer" inside Singapore airport must be under 48hrs. Must have a Covid PCR report to board, and expect to be temperature tested a few times. Good luck


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