Qantas set to reveal Boeing 787 routes, seats

By Chris Chamberlin, October 5 2016

Qantas is poised to reveal its Boeing 787 seats and the aircraft’s first routes at a media event on Thursday October 27, as the airline takes the next step towards the Dreamliner’s debut in late 2017.

The first international route for the red-tailed Boeing 787 will be one from Qantas’ existing network, with all-new destinations to follow as Qantas builds up its 787 fleet.

The Boeing 787 will also appear on a series of domestic flights on a short-term basis so that pilots and cabin crew can become accustomed to the new bird.

Also on the cards: the long-awaited unveiling of Qantas' Dreamliner seating and cabin configuration.

Earlier reports based on an internal Qantas seating diagram sighted by Australian Business Traveller indicate the aircraft could have 42 business class seats, with 28 premium economy seats and 165 seats in economy.

The business class seats are likely to be an evolution of Qantas’ existing A330 Business Suite (below)...

... but it's premium economy which could pack the big surprise, with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce promising a “revolutionary” design.

Economy seating will follow a nine-across (3-3-3) layout, with all eyes on the legroom granted to travelers in the cheap seats.

Australian Business Traveller will be attending the Qantas media event to bring you the news live on the day, while you can also follow us on Twitter (@AusBT) for this and other breaking news as it happens.

Also read: Here's what we know about the Qantas Boeing 787 Dreamliner

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Chris Chamberlin

Chris Chamberlin is the Associate Editor of Executive Traveller and lives by the motto that a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, a great latte, a theatre ticket and a glass of wine!

Covo95

Covo95

30 Jul 2015

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i hope qantas's economy seat is thomson aero's cozysuite seat

Arcanum

Arcanum

21 Jul 2012

Total posts 125

I've heard the cozy suite rumour too.  Now reading this...

"... but it's premium economy which could pack the big surprise, with Qantas CEO Alan Joyce promising a

Chris2304

Chris2304

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10 Apr 2013

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18-19" width and 34" pitch

markpk

markpk

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29 Nov 2013

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Gosh it would be nice if Qantas would break with traditional PR "control the message" wisdom and host an event for its loyal customers. 

Whether its the same day or same week - how about hosting customers and giving them insights as to what 'our' experience will be vs what your PR flacks are telling you should be 'the message' that goes into mainstream media...

Here's the thing - you empower loyal customers, you cut the PR crap and tell us how it will be... and we will become powerful mavens for your brand. 

I'm not sure what Qantas doesn't understand about this...

princess fiona

princess fiona

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20 Dec 2012

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Actually as one of QF's "loyal customers" I will be attending this event.

Boogs

Boogs

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21 Jun 2014

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Platinum Ones in SYD have been invited. You don't get more 'loyal' than that!

Mal

Mal

14 Jun 2013

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Qantas has invited a number of Platinum One frequent flyers in Sydney to the event, Mark.

undertheradar Banned

undertheradar Banned

28 Oct 2011

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They are/It is :) 

I (and i'm sure others) are not sure what you are bangin on about.

Sounds like sour grapes to me ;)

fxdxdy

fxdxdy

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18 May 2011

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OK, be honest, who is going to be pressing CMD+R or CTRL+F5 all day on Oct 27 in the hope to grab seats on the first flight?

And do you reckon they will do the same thing they did when the A380 came and sell fares that are a multiple of 787 when they pick the first international destination?

aklrunway

aklrunway

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09 May 2011

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I'm picking Auckland as the first destination to familiarise the crew and pilots 

Mal

Mal

14 Jun 2013

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Very unlikely to be Auckland, as Qantas uses its offshoot 'JetConnect' crew for this, but the 787 would need to be flown by QF pilots and crew. I expect familiarisation flights to be east-west plus a few BNE-SYD-MEL legs, and these will be as much for publicity as anything else.

fxdxdy

fxdxdy

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18 May 2011

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I thought they would want to stay 'over land', near a runway :)

I'm tipping some SYD-MEL-BNE triangle routes (in lieu of a A330) and then some PER-E-Coast flights before some Asian routes before settling on a final route.

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

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Been previously announced (including think on this board) that they will operate domestic flights for familiarisation.

moa999

moa999

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02 Jul 2011

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While Qantas mostly uses ZK (Jetconnect) aircraft for TransTasman flights, recent maintenance and additional flights have meant some VH (Mainline) planes and crews have been used.

That said I would expect more likely to go on the SYD/MEL/BNE-PER routes as its an easier replacement for a 330 service

Dorn

Dorn

05 Oct 2016

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So what's likely to be the revolutionary PE seat? A copy of the NZ almost business but not quite seat?

FLX1

FLX1

31 Mar 2016

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Now I understand why AJ has been talking about his 789s can/will open ULH routes like PER->LHR or DFW->MEL(i.e.   nearly 14,500km excluding margin for headwind).  It's not just his fantasy but may indeed be operationally econ feasible.

In Boeing nominal config(i.e. 'typical config' on its brochure), a 789 can fly 14,140km with 290pax+bags in 2-class(flat bed J + Y).  If the 235 total seat count tipped by ausbt.com.au is correct, a QF 789 @ full pax will only carry about 81% payload relative to Boeing's nominal config.  In such op scenario, a QF 789 can take on much more fuel than nominal config would allow before hitting its MTOW limit.  I est. the additional fuel onboard can extend the cruise range by @ least 1.5 hour(787 burns about 2-2.5t of fuel per hour) or about 1,400km over a 789 in nominal config.

At 235 seats, QF's 789 has 1 of the lowest density cabin config among all 787 operators.  In fact, 333 has the same total usable cabin floor area as a 789 yet in QF config, a 333 carries 297seats....probably why AJ has been referring to his 789s as  luxurious.

GregXL

GregXL

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I will be watching with interest to see how much extra range QF can achieve by operating with a reduced payload.  FLX has commented on extra fuel carried, though this does not extend beyond the capacity of the standard tanks.  Are other operators significantly limiting their fuel loading ?  There is also a fuel saving from reduced payload, which is used now on DFW-SYD flights, but it seems questionable as a business strategy to target using a new aircraft type for services it isn't spec'd to run.   I lean toward sceptical on the long range routes being touted, waiting to be surprised!

Yohy

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20 Apr 2014

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I think we'll see these birds go immediately onto routes to retire the gas-guzzling 747s and where there is heavy competition from carriers also with 787s - perhaps SYD-HND or SYD-SFO

hutch

hutch

07 Oct 2012

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Unless they re-time the flights (unlikely), using it at HND would be unwise, due to the excessive 'dead' ground time there. 

Himeno

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12 Dec 2012

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SFO requires 2 aircraft. While it is a likely 787 route, it won't happen until they have more aircraft.
HND can be done with 1 aircraft, however QF keeps the aircraft parked in Tokyo all day so the timetable requires 2. Due to timezones, flight times and the HND slot limits, the timetable options for a single aircraft operation would become problematic.

patrickk

patrickk

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19 Apr 2012

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Also HND is popular so going from 360 seats to 235 or whatever doesn't make sense unless it as an extra. They will boost an existing schedule for Christmas say Melb LA for three days a week or an extra HK or Singapore rotation from anywhere.

hutch

hutch

07 Oct 2012

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I would guess that QF would use a bird for familiarity flights and then when the 2nd bird arrives then soon launch the long-haul flight (I'm recall reading somewhere that the first birds were coming not that far apart).

My feel is that BNE-LAX is a likely route if they launch route. Though SYD- SFO also has merits. Enables the two 747 on that route to take over flights currently done by original sky bed. 

We will find out soon anyway.

GregXL

GregXL

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26 May 2014

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BNE-LAX-JFK would require significantly more crews for the start up, though there would be a benefit from a larger reduction of 747 crews. 

 The SYD-centric nature of QF suggests to me that the first route will be out of SYD, so my guess is SYD-SFO

FLX1

FLX1

31 Mar 2016

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My guess is that the very 1st revenue route for QF's 1st 789 will be SYD-AKL @ least initially for both air+ground crew familiarization if the trend of most other earlier 787 operators(Also 350 operators) is a guide.

1.  Dispatch will be from the biggest QF online engineering base which should already hv much experience with JQ's 788...just more simple to deal with tech contingency and reduce any potential schedule disruptions(e.g. easy to find a spare airframe to swap)

2.  Although NZ is a competitor, AKL also has experienced tech/engineering infrastructure to deal with 787 tech contingency thx to a sizable NZ 789 fleet is already based there.  Contrary to popular belief, competitors in this industry do help each other out/share tech advice in tech contingency situations especially re a new type where spare part stocks are fewer.

3.  SYD-AKL is short duration and therefore great for crew new to 787 to accumulate frequent takeoff/cruise/landing cycles in a relatively short period.

4.  SYD-AKL is also 1 of the very few QF short routes that has  mkt demand to support premium longhaul J cabin product on QF's 789.

patrickk

patrickk

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19 Apr 2012

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I see CAPA are suggesting one London A380 would move from Dubai to through Asia (read Singapore). This would connect with A333s from Brisbane and Melb and 738s from Perth as well as a 789 Perth to London with connections from Adelaide and Canberra, as well as Sydney and Melbourne. This would put more passengers on QANTAS metal but European connections would mean a horrible LHR connection and a backtrack. This could be a radical rethink of Westbound using the 789. We shall see.

Tim Saunders

Tim Saunders

13 Sep 2016

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Sounds like uninformed speculation and another case of people trying to be armchair airline executives. My understanding is that Qantas has to use Dubai as its stopover for all European services under the terms of the Qantas-Emirates alliance. Maybe when they come to renew the five-year alliance this might change though, but not now.

patrickk

patrickk

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19 Apr 2012

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Tim the five year alliance is up soon in planning terms (in 2018), and so that is what I suspect is on the cards with the 787, a radical rethink of Westbound. I am not sure CAPA is entirely as uninformed as you suggest. They seem to have their ear to the gorund on quite a lot of things. If QF are re-thinking Eastbound with the 787 from 2018 then it would makes sense for them to re-think Westbound, for the end of the current Emirates agreement in two years time. It may come to nothing but they would be silly not to model various options, and a dual hub throgh Singapore and Dubai may be one of them.

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