Qantas launches Boeing 787 flights for Melbourne-Los Angeles

By David Flynn, December 22 2016

Qantas' first Boeing 787-9 will make its international debut flying between Melbourne and Los Angeles from 15 December 2017, ahead of the start of non-stop Perth-London flights in March 2018.

The Dreamliner flights will operate six days a week as QF95/QF96, taking over from a Boeing 747 and running alongside Qantas' daily Airbus A380 service.

QF95 will depart now Melbourne at 2.25pm every day except Wednesday, to reach Los Angeles at 9.45am.

After spending the day lazing at LAX the red-tailed Dreamliner will be wheels up at 11.35pm every evening bar Tuesday, for a 10.10am arrival into Melbourne.

Tickets for the Boeing 787 flight go on sale December 25, 2016 with travellers will be able to book into 42 business class, 28 premium economy and 166 economy class seats on the advanced jet, which provides a smoother ride and vastly reduces the effects of jetlag due to lower effective cabin altitude and higher humidity levels.

The business class seats (above) are based on Qantas' Airbus A330 Business Suite, but with a sliding panel between the paired middle seats which passengers can pull up for privacy or push down for sociability.

Qantas expects to take delivery of its first Boeing 787-9 in mid-October 2017, with a second slated for early December.

Domestic Boeing 787 flights in November 

But you won't need to fly all the way to LA to experience the Dreamliner, with the factory-fresh jet also being scheduled on a series of domestic runs from November, prior to beginning its international duty.

The east coast 'triangle' routes between Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane are likely to see the Boeing 787, along with the longer transcontinental trek between these cities and Perth.

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David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

Covo95

Covo95

30 Jul 2015

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on the website qantas says the flight will run 6 times a week, i guess qantas will have 2 787's by the time they start doing it as its impossible to fly 6 times a week with just one airplane on a route like that. 

David

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24 Oct 2010

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As the article notes, Qantas expects to have two 787s in the hangar by the start of December.

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

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This isn't so much as a "replacement" of the 747 MEL-LAX flights as a resumption.
The current twice weekly QF95/96 is being dropped soon to use the aircraft for MEL-HKG.

RealKid

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20 May 2014

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I'd be interested to see whether they're going to reveal their "revolutionary" premium economy product before these tickets go on sale.  How much would one be able to divine from the seat map, if and when that goes live along with the ticket sales?

David

David

24 Oct 2010

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Not much, the seatmap will likely show only what we already know, which is that it's 28 seats in four rows of 2-3-2... that said, if the seats show any type of angle or staggering, that'll be a hint as to what makes them so 'revolutionary'. :)

Covo95

Covo95

30 Jul 2015

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it would be pretty interesting if the premium economy suits are revealed to be angle lie-flat beds

QFcrew

QFcrew

19 Nov 2012

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Launch will be Feb/March 17

Serg

Serg

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12 Apr 2013

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My bet that there will be no award seats in J class on 787. Even one year ahead. Business as usual.

log0008

log0008

03 Aug 2015

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Will this continue to operate when PER-LHR begins? When are the the 3 and 4th dreamlines due to be delivered? 

log0008

log0008

03 Aug 2015

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To answer my own Question, Yes according to Qantas facebook team 

Chris_PER

Chris_PER

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19 Feb 2014

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Really looking forward to trying this out on the trans-con services!

Himeno

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12 Dec 2012

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The first 2 QF 787s (line numbers 614 and 641) are currently having parts shipped to Everett for construction.
They are due for delivery on 12 Oct and 1 Dec 2017.

There are 128 787-9s with production slots assigned where the airline is not currently publicly known.

jimmylikesitwet

jimmylikesitwet

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10 Sep 2014

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They are no-where near the point of getting parts shipped. Final assembly at Everett will only begin 2-3 months before the delivery date.

Fonga

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12 Feb 2014

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Again I'm a bit surprised they didn't use the opportunity to shift some traffic via Dallas and provide Melbourne customers with more choice of destination. 

log0008

log0008

03 Aug 2015

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I wouldn't be surprised if this became MEL-DFW down the line

FLX1

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31 Mar 2016

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I'm totally not surprised that QF's 789 debut plan has not much to do with providing MEL(nor any other AU mkt) customers with more destination choices.  Later yes(e.g. PER-LHR) but not initially for the 1st batch of 789.

I believe it's has much more to do with getting rid of 744s as quickly as possible particularly on very long QF routes.  That's where the largest fuel burn savings per seat(even bigger diff if on per trip basis... I suspect trip fuel cost for 744 x1 is slightly more than for 789 x2) can be realized by swapping 744 with 789.  After all, 789 x8 to replace the oldest 744 x5 is exactly the official QF  789 deployment plan and I believe, the deployment priority.

FLX1

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For me, the most intriguing aspects are these:

1) Why QF picked MEL-LAX to debut its 789 longhaul service?  Pre-empt potential move on the same route by AA which will no longer be a JV partner?

2) A yr fm now, both operators(i.e. QF and UA) will be using the same type on the same route.  QF really like the operating #s UA has been achieving fm 789 on this route? 

3) If debut 789 longhaul on a AU-Asia route instead, QF would only need 1 frame to maintain a daily rotation.  Too little demand for PY on such routes and therefore 330 cabin layout suffice for now?

I'm surprised that the article itself and no commentators hv mentioned nor discussed these aspects so far. 

mangoface

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12 Oct 2016

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Jetstar (and their 787's) are based in Melb, so makes sense for Qantas to base 787's in Melb (at least initially) too. As for why LAX, there are probably a few reasons such as freeing up 747's for higher capacity Asia routes, maintaining best hard product on the USA routes and better fuel economy for these long hauls.

David

David

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We didn't delve into why Qantas chose Melbourne or why it didn't choose Asia because that's not our role. We're not an aviation website dealing in industry analysis and backstory; we're a business travel website reporting on what's relevant to our core readership.

TheRealBabushka

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Will it still be a NZ crew operating this flight? Or are the AKL based crew going to be phased out?

markpk

markpk

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The AKL crews operate across a wide range of mainline intl services. I sat next to a FA on SYD-AKL and she was dead-heading home after doing a SYD-JNB trip.

They're a pretty good bunch of folks...

johnglynn86

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22 Oct 2013

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When will Brisbane get some more routes from Qantas? Considering the airline began in QLD it would be nice to get more from Qantas. Maybe to Dallas or Chicago or even San Francisco.

FLX1

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31 Mar 2016

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I'm betting QF will deploy 789 on a CURRENT route fm BNE(Most likely BNE-LAX) well before QF will launch any new Trans-Pcf routes from BNE such as DFW, ORD or even SFO.....

tm_smile

tm_smile

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BNE needs to be able to support decent yields first before they can introduce more services. QF aren't deliberately avoiding QLD, theres just clearly a better business case for somewhere else first.

John Phelan

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Suspect you'll see a BNE-DFW in the not too distant future.

Aubz11

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Is it possible that QF are using the 789 to LAX out of MEL to see how the aircraft goes flying across the pacific with DFW in mind & making sure the numbers add up to make it a viable option. If yes, then splitting the flights out of Melbourne to both LAX & DFW

reeves35

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I think QF would already know the 789 is very capable of doing this given UA has been using the 789 on the same route for over a year in a tighter configuration that that planned by QF.

StudiodeKadent

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20 May 2015

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So the 787 is being used to replace a 747 in this case. Good. 

I presume that freed-up 747s might end up being used as temporary A380 replacements for when the A380s get a product refresh.

hutch

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07 Oct 2012

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Noting that the current Q95/96 is a seasonal 747. If you check timetable for Feb for example it doesn't exist. So replacing this with a 787 is an additional service. Can't see it helping QF reduce 747's in the short term.

Damien00

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25 Feb 2016

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I wonder if they'll switch the LAX-JFK tag to use the 789 in place of the 744 from the BNE service?

Himeno

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12 Dec 2012

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While QF hasn't posted the flight times yet, using the 787 from this flight for JFK is unlikely as this will most likely be an afternoon flight, not the morning flight needed for the JFK tag.

John Phelan

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I'd suspect not. The 744 to and from JFK is often full or pretty close to it. A switch to the 787 would be a big drop in capacity.

johnnypc67

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28 Nov 2012

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MEL-LAX is only until March 2018 until PER-LHR starts

ChrisCh

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24 Apr 2012

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Hi Johnny, not sure what your source is to that claim, but the information we've received directly from Qantas doesn't suggest that Melbourne-LAX Boeing 787 flights will be replaced by Perth-London: they'll just use the same aircraft type, of which Qantas has multiple on order.

johnnypc67

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I see the Cozy suite for PE with 19-20" width with a recline into a cradle position with a fixed shell, cocktail table etc

gsx

gsx

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14 Aug 2015

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Think it time for a history lesson.

Mel- Lax has been the launch route for the 1st 747ER then the first A380 route now it will the same for the next gen long haul aircraft the 787.

but I agree a MEL - DFW would be nice too in the long run

Packetman21

Packetman21

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28 Jul 2016

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I really hope they do BNE-DXB with those free 747s and A380s, although unlikely since Emirates has a lot of there own seats there. Well just a wish a guess.

Packetman21

Packetman21

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Sorry, last sentence meant to say 'well just a wish I guess'

patrickk

patrickk

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19 Apr 2012

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For my crystal ball by early 2019 QF well have London (2), Paris (1), and Frankfurt (1) flying all through Perth with 787s. They may increase the order to have 12 787s by then so they can serve LA and Dallas as well, all out of Melbourne. The A380s will all be based in Sydney with a London flight probably through Dubai but possibly through Singapore, as well as Singapore and Hong Kong stand alones. They will then in 2019 or 2020 order some 787-10s for Asia and phase out the A333s 

traveller99

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18 Nov 2015

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The current Sky Bed on the 747 and A380 is horrific.  There's no personal space, the bed itself is uncomfortable and saggy, and you have to stow your screen for take off and landing.  Let's hope the Sky Bed goes away very soon and replaced with the new J class we see on the 787.

gsx

gsx

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14 Aug 2015

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Does anyone know what happened to the 787 launch bookings today ? 

The online site does not go past Dec13 for timetables and bookings. I was hoping to see what fares were being offered

gsx

gsx

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14 Aug 2015

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also the 747 is still listed to fly mel-lax twice a week  till mid July 2017 in the online timetables.. then it disappears altogether.

GregXL

GregXL

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26 May 2014

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Curious that QF news release said the 787 MEL-LAX fares would go on sales on 25/12 for 15/12 when this is earlier than the normal 353 days in advance. Maybe tomorrow.

David

David

24 Oct 2010

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Yes, Qantas told us on Dec 22nd that it expected tickets on sale the following day but while these have in theory been loaded into the system, the airline's own sales system doesn't stretch a full 365 days in advance – today you can book MEL-LAX for Dec 14 2017, so it's likely that tomorrow (Dec 27th) you'll be able to book for Dec 15th 2017, which is the in augural MEL-LAX Boeing 787 flight.

gsx

gsx

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14 Aug 2015

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Yes sounds like Qantas Marketing in the rush to announce this first flight  didn't think this one through as you will only be able to book one-way as the return flights are also only 353 days ahead in the booking system..

so much for official press releases. It would be nice to see an explanation from them on the press statement.


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