What do you want from Qantas' Project Sunrise first, business class?

This might sound strange but some sort of humidifying masks if they exist to lessen the dehydration effects would be a great idea. A bit like the light masks that they use.

The longer the trip, the more important space is. And the ability to move.

There has to be somewhere apart from the seat, this is one of the criticisms of SQ's Singapore-New York flight. I would really like to see a business class suite, not a seat, with a door for privacy and room to get up, the Qatar Qsuite is amazing and shows the way forward for Qantas. The Qsuite should be the starting point for Project Sunrise business class. And please let's have an extra toilet or two.

I agree with all the points above. Qantas has also done very well with its Perth-London 'wellness meals' and should do more of the same. Dine on demand would be a very good improvement for business class because on a flight that long a lot of people will want to follow their own schedule. Again, just look to Qatar for how to make 'dine on demand' work. Have a really good selection of light meals and main meals so people can pick and choose. Maybe even just have lighter meals but more of them in variety and how many they load, that's probably better for digestion than serving up the traditional main course.

Q Suites similar to Qatar.Toilets with more room.

Need to get the basics right before considering gyms etc. Also remember Auckland to Dubai is approximately 17hrs, 10mins, so in reality ‘Project Sunrise’ is not much longer.

As a minimum for the premium classes, QF needs to have closed in First Class suites, possibly something between the current Emirates First Class and there new ‘larger’ first class suites. For business class, the Qatar Q-Suite style as a minimum, the current QF A330/B787 business class is old hat, and there are better offerings on the market. Not flown the QF B787 premium economy, but understand that leg room is limited, so that would need improving.

A usable premium social area (EK style bar) is needed for first and business classes, allowing movement etc. Something similar for economy as well, may be a self-service bar and snacks.

A decent (plenty to choice from) selection of; movies, TV programs, music etc.

Definitely need a stand up bar area to move, socialise and just get out of your seat and stretch your legs. Improve the amenities kits. Make the seats more comfortable and/or the bedding more plush.

Can we please make sure there is plenty of space for feet when in lie flat mode. Actually, in sitting mode as well given some business seats these days are limited in that area as well.

For me a social area to stand for an hour or so would be great. I wouldn't care if this area didn't have seating.

The 777X is just about 6m wide inside the cabin, A350 isn’t far behind either. An SQ style first with a large center aisle would be very easy to achieve. That said airlines have been researching the prospect of center aisle J class in widebodies for years.

Qantas has done some excellent work on its menu for PER-LHR, which should be the starting point. I would like them to go further, and push the boundaries on what can be done in the galley. There are some amazing concepts and products beginning to be offered by interiors vendors, including induction cooktops to cook from scratch in-flight, proper espresso machines that work at cabin altitude, and so on. These would really help with the premium experience for a 20-hour flight. And, they would also allow Qantas to take advantage of the opportunities to provide premium, tailored service, when you can spread the service out over a longer period of time.

To do social areas you need realestate and realistically that's limited to an A380 size, unless you go below deck but I honestly doubt the economies of scale will support this.

This sounds strange - I’d like to see the inseat massage feature improved to improve circulation, and stimulate blood flow; helping with any swelling, and potentially support DVT.

An onboard shower facility such as what Emirates have available on the a380 would be ideal. Given the long duration of travel, a quick freshen up before landing would be welcomed by premium travellers - particularly those that have to 'hit the ground running' upon arrival at the destination. Also, having a change area separate to the toilet would be welcomed.

Showed for business clsss 🙏 . I would pay extra.

I’d like to see an improvement to the massage features - something more intense to support circulation, and reduce swelling, perhaps also improved mattress to support this as well in both cabins.

Most definitely a 'social space' a las QR / EK onboard bar. Whilst that is definitely prime real estate, the ability to move around and socialise is of utmost importance.

For First Class I'd have have a suite with a recliner seat and a separate mattress that folds out from the side. To reduce the weight, I wouldn't have a message function as I find these not good enough in plane seats. The foot rest should be able to be another seat for dinning with fellow travellers.

The fact people are suggesting showers show how quickly this has gone off course.

For me the most important need is sleep. I would like flatbeds with larger width so that I am not forced to sleep sideways

I would like to see a XXL size in pyjamas as well as the current L-XL. I also like the privacy screens that are offered in Emirates and Etihad. I also think some specialty socks to help with DVT/swelling would be good. The shower room in Emirates is also wonderful but with Qantas moving away from A380 this may not be an option. Food options moving to more freshly prepared options would be nice as well.

Showers wouldn't be possible as the water would add to much weight. Beside offering showers before and after a flight, the only other option would be some damp sponge/towel for refreshment, but I'm not sure it would go down too well.

As mentioned previously, a dry place to change clothing would be great. Either make the suite private enough that you can disrobe without drawing applause, or a separate small room where your trousers or socks aren't dampened by whatever moisture is rolling around on the bathroom floor.

I like the idea of some form of companion dining in a business class suite, very nice to be able to share your meal with your partner. 100% on 'dine on demand', too, it's a big plus factor for me in choosing Qatar Airways for flights to London and Europe.

I know this is about Premium facilities but spare a thought for those locked in economy. I'm guessing Qantas will run the numbers and I'm a Qantas shareholder, but it will have to push some customers to one stop airlines. Getting there is one thing however how you are when you get there is another

For Business class, I honestly think Qantas' 787 product, but perhaps a little wider, would be perfectly acceptable.

For First, something like Emirates new 1-1-1 suites would also be perfectly acceptable. Honestly, a revised version of QF's current A380 First could be a good place to start... space-wise its more generous than EK's 1-2-1 First suites.

A bar area and dine on demand are my main choices. The idea of a dry area for clothes changing is also a good one.

I would simply like to see some honesty from QF with respect to what is feasible on these jets, rather than more of the same marketing hyperbole (as demonstrated by the 787). Invitations for pie-in-the-sky daydreams aside, Qantas must be in the relatively advanced stages of determining the LOPA for each of the two primary contenders, taking into consideration cargo / weight restrictions / profit margins / deployability on other routes. QF's primary responsibility is to its shareholders, and it will always cram as many seats onto its jets as its 'home' advantage (familiarity / safety reputation / corporate preference / parochialism / QFF) allows. So until we have a more concrete framework from Qantas, many of the suggestions in posts such as this belong in the realm of fantasy, or onboard an ME3 jet (at least until economic reality hits home for them too, as seems to have started for EY).

How about some WiFi?

Somewhere to stand and stretch so you don’t look like some hovering pest to all those seated around you.

For me I would trade some of the ideas on private suites for a natural place to walk to, linger and not be stuck in a seat. Some interesting thinking combining snack bar locations, bar, lounge, dining area.

For me - a nice socialising area, for J/F pax, and wifi. I’m surprised that no ones mentioned a “curtain” option for F (or even J?) like on Air France. Not as heavy as “walls” and there’s something kinda sexy about that AF F class.

I think all of the above are great ideas, but as DrSK said due to 1. economics 2. Space since it's a single deck twin aisle 3. super tight weight margins to make the distance, a lot of the suggestions will likely not make it. Qantas will really need to think very much outside of the box to deliver the best ever premium cabins.

Firstly I’d send the Project Sunrise design team on a trip on the Q-Suites for inspiration ;)

An ultra-long-haul airliner has to be comfortable in all cabins.

An area where you can do push-ups, a handle bar for pull-ups and yoga mat to do sit-ups and stretches. Best prevention of DVT is to do some basic body weight exercises. This can be at lower deck (cargo area) w/o windows.

A lot of great options listed here, my favorites would be.

What would i like to see? My own private 777 with a lap pool - But considering that Qantas 'is' a business and that project sunrise 'is' based on economics.................................

There have been complaints about the Singapore long haul Singapore to New York service, as it seems they wake everyone up with lights on to do a meal service right in the middle of the flight. It makes it impossible for people to set their own schedule, and to get an extended sleep during any part of the flight.

I would really appreciate a dedicated changing room. I hate getting into the Qantas pj’s in a toilet. A simple cubical with some shelves on which to place your items while you change and a sink to brush teeth and wash your face.

A stand-up bar area for milling and stretching that’s separate from galley or toilet spaces. It doesn’t need seats - the idea is to not be sitting for a while.

Leg room is very important for us tall people so don’t have a foot cubby on the side like SQ has just done. Also wider seats & a proper bar to socialize as this makes the time pass fast.

Time to keep real! Fewer seats, up go the prices! Need for more areas to change which doesn't necessarily mean it is a toilet with all the inherent plumbing. Lower deck would be ideal. Need for stand up bar area with snacks to break up the journey. In reality what is wrong with the current QF P and C seat areas unless you are over 2 metres tall.

Qantas, and other airlines and travel companies, need to start realising that baby boomers like myself and my wife are becoming luxury leisure travellers a lot more, and we aren't as young as we used to be. We are aged 60 and often go on holidays with my mother who is 90. It stuns us that travelling business class there is no difference between the business and economy toilets, and definitely not enough room if we have even the slightest mobility issues, like a sore knee.

Play with the lighting to make them more segmented (Crew can control the ceiling lights for each indivudal seat). This is more important now as 20 hour flights mean everyone sleeps and wants to eat at different times.

-Proper food, worthy of the F and J fares paid-No more cafe style rock pool rubbish

Any bar/social area to be well away from the seats and properly acoustically isolated from seat areas.

Any bar/social area to be well away from the seats and properly acoustically and physically isolated from them.

Sit/stand desk areas in quiet zones to get some work done while travelling with sufficient ports to charge laptops/ electronic devices.
Sitting in a seat for any length of time, be it for relaxation or work, is detrimental to one's health.

Something like upgraded pyjamas to travel in (not just for sleeping in) and decent slippers

Having shower on Emirates A380, even on a shorter 7 hour flight leaves you feeling like heaven. If it's good for Emirates it should also be good for Qantas. The bar area good for a stretch and to socialize. But I hate the dine-on-demand, simply because the clatter of the cutlery and plate wake up others who are sleeping, or trying to sleep. The hours should be at least curtailed. However, any thoughts for those in economy? They deserve some comfort too.

Qatar’s Q-Suite sets the standard. The answer is there. Same or better, if Joyce wants to raise the bar and set a new standard. Upgraded amenity kits given the length of the flights. A decent pair of Compression socks would be a good addition to the kit.

The list, if anybody from QF is reading

Ok, this is just me, and my expectations are not very high, but what I want from a first class flight is a level of service that requires attendants to check how you are going, ask you if you need anything, and suggest things that I may be interested in...subtle, sincere and visible....if you need to press the call button, then they have probably failed...Business class is not that different, but the quality and space probably should be somewhat less, or why bother with first class at all? Wider bed, better food and wine and a streamlined entrance and exit ( for first)

Dine on Demand.

Ideal state would be proper massage features built into the chairs to enhance circulation. Whether this is incorporated into every seat or if, for weight reasons, there can only be a bank of six or so that need to be booked, this would be ideal.

I would like serviceable but breathable fabrics in the seating and bedding options. Nothing worse than clingy sweaty fabrics. Natural would be nice ... but practical?

Given this is such a long flight - showers for first, dine on demand, separate bar/social area for f and biz, enclosed much larger suites for f (including option for doubles), q suite grade spaces for biz. Then there would be a truly competitive product.

Three things:

I know you're supposed to lay off the coffee on long flights but if you're going to offer coffee then I'd like espresso coffee. I'm not expecting a full on barista machine but I'll settle for Nespresso capsules. It would also be good if they made an espresso machine available at a self service bar and another one else where so espresso can be served with your meal (and as back up).
I think Virgin already have espresso machines on their planes don't they?
Also, I hear the water tanks on aircraft aren't regularly cleaned so they can be a source for nasty bugs so I'd be cool with seeing the espresso machine's being topped up from bottled water :)

20+ hours I personally feel will be a failure as this concept pleases the same bean counters that want the A380 gone. Downstairs in cargo bay area a couple of treadmills and exercise bikes, speed and time limited so passengers don't work up a sweat as showers will not be on board. Social areas however once again harder as its not the A380. Higher cabin pressure is a plus and the humidifiers must be worlds best. Mmm how about I suggest a stop over. Lol

Echoing others, here's my quick list:

Simple innovative solution is put a bar / social area in a small section in the downstairs part.

An arrival and departure schedule that best suits business travellers, avoiding where possible wasted business hours trudging from Manhattan to JFK or vice versa.

Toilets. As those who have initially travelled from Perth on the 787 have found, the longer flights mean much more demand for toilets. That means pressure to keep them clean, and queues. Queueing for cramped dirty toilets is not a premium experience. This is easy to discount in design, because toilets aren't as sexy as seats or meals. However, on a long flight when you want to "go" and there's a queue, there's a certain "never again" feeling.

I'm in agreement with so many of the suggestions here, such as a more spacious business class, a special amenity kit created around these long-haul flights and dine-on-demand. From the perspective of a female traveller I'd like to add my vote for larger toilets with more space for changing clothes, and other thoughtful aspects like more shelving for unpacking your own toiletries, and better LED lighting around the mirror for touching up your makeup. Maybe even a decent hair dryer for a quick blowout before landing.

Q suite like Qatar, lounge area with sitting area along with stand up area. Larger bathrooms, Dine on Demand. Doors on both F/C and J/C.

similar size toilets like Etihad has on it's 787 for business class -Qatar style private cubicles-Ek-style bars on 380's-Singapore style book the cook--so all that Alan Joyce should do- go to the rivals and learn something useful from them!

EY 787 style toilets-EK style bars-QR style cubicles-SQ style book the cook options....the good stuff is already out just try to copy them!

More (and larger) lavatories. Ensuring they are clean at all times.

Larger toilet not against window that makes crouching necessary for anyone over 178cm. (A380 problem especially.)

These days many children fly business, and many business passanger expect to have a quiet seat as part of the deal. Therefore, a sound proof kids play area with hygenic nappy change facilities is a must on ultra long flights. This could be combined with the adult stretch and DVT prophylaxis area. It is important to provide opportunities to move, expedite energy and get the circulation flowing. Soft climbing equipment, simple treadmills ect. Do not place any TV screens or soft drinks in the area. In other words, the exact opposite of the new quantas lounge in Melbourne. DM drugstores in Germany have excellent facilities, which are very compact and safe - check them out and ask their designer to help.

1. Ensure every decisionmaker has travelled on J and F on the current top 5 market offerings.

2. Maximise the main deck seating arrangements to get the required returns and move to best in class seat designs

a. Find designs that improve privacy without too much additional weight

b. Avoid foot cubbies totally

c. Power/USB ports put in places where I don’t have to be a contortionist to reach them or have a cord draped across the width/length of my space – i.e. so I can go to the toilet without stowing.

3. Move to the lower deck the "space consuming" and “movement” areas & larger or non-uniform sized things:

a. Modules (centrally located to reduce curvature and create walking aisles either side for exercise) such as additional slightly larger toilets and also 2-3 pyjama changing rooms with handbasin that can also be used as baby changing areas for all classes

b. Definitely more toilets, the longer the flight, the less the ability to “hold on until arrival”

c. Social Area – perhaps less emphasis on alcohol – more a stand up “coffee shop with juices, fruit & snacks”

d. Self help snacks and drinks cabinet similar to A380 to reduce staff loading and give reason for passengers to “move”

e. A couple of pull-up handles to do a few loadbearing lifts/exercises as well as walking

f. Adequate sound proofing between decks

g. Adequate sound proofing between the individual classes on main deck

4. Continue evolution of current good work on food research for long distance flights

a. Add dine on demand for premium classes

b. Ditch 3 course meal mentality and introduce a varied list of healthy smaller sized offerings. If you are hungry ask for additional dishes.

c. Change lead chef and get away from tasteless bowls of leaves purporting to be a “salad”

5. Water is too heavy for onboard showers, so provide arrival lounges where premium passengers can shower, shave, press/change their clothes, etc before heading off.

6. Crew structure rethink to allow for dedicated cleaning staff throughout the flight.

7. Pressure the engineers to improve even more the humidity of the air and changeover cycles to reduce fatigue and jet-lag without significantly driving up fuel costs

8. Supply headsets that are able to drown out cabin noise but at the same time be very comfortable to wear while sleeping/resting in various positions

Dan from Djs Aviation which is on YouTube might have the scoop of the week. He was at the Avalon airshow and talking to some Qantas pilots who related to him that Qantas is going with the A350-1000ULR. So, unless there is a change in circumstance I guess that is what we'll be seeing. But even then an official announcement isn't planned until much later this year so there is a lot of water that has to pass under the bridge between now and then.