What do you want from Qantas' Project Sunrise first, business class?

TALKING POINT | Last week, Qantas CEO Alan Joyce told Australian Business Traveller that the airline's globe-striding Project Sunrise jets would feature the Roo's 'best ever' first class and business class.
Come 2022 – a mere three years from now – those jets will take wing on non-stop flights from Sydney and Melbourne to London and New York, with many business travellers and Australian Business Traveller readers on board.
Joyce wants those seats to be "the best product we’ve ever put on an aircraft”. That's certainly what we want to see, and we daresay it's what you want too, considering we'll all be nestled in those premium cocoons for 18-20 hours.
So here's your chance to have your say: what do you think Qantas should be looking at for the first class suites and business class seats of these ultra-long range Project Sunrise jets?
For example, should Qantas move to fully private first class suites with a larger footprint, where there's room to get up out of your seat and move around?
How can Qantas make the step-change beyond today's Boeing 787 business class: can it potentially eclipse the stunning Qsuite of its Oneworld sibling Qatar Airways and move into the realm of a 'business plus' experience?
And what can be done to create spaces outside of the seats where passengers can relax, stretch their legs and maybe socialise on these marathon journeys?
Obviously this all has to be done within not only the strict physical and safety confines of these long metal tubes, but within the unforgiving spreadsheet formulae of economics.
So share your ideas here. Be realistic – be reasonable – but also, take this opportunity to be heard.
What do you want to see in first class and business class of Qantas' Project Sunrise jets?
Also read: Why airlines need to rethink the passenger experience on ultra-long range flights
24 Oct 2010
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Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
01 Mar 2012
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This might sound strange but some sort of humidifying masks if they exist to lessen the dehydration effects would be a great idea. A bit like the light masks that they use.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
21 Dec 2016
Total posts 15
There’s the Humidiflyer, made by an Aussie company. I never fly without it now.
05 Oct 2011
Total posts 193
Dont forget, these new planes are the "higher pressure" ones with far less dehydration so maybe this is now superfluous.
15 Feb 2013
Total posts 162
JAL actually has just the medical masks in their amenities options they bring around - I tried one whilst sleeping and it makes a massive difference, so now I always carry my own and wear when sleeping on planes.
13 Feb 2015
Total posts 65
The longer the trip, the more important space is. And the ability to move.
20 Nov 2015
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09 Mar 2015
Total posts 35
There has to be somewhere apart from the seat, this is one of the criticisms of SQ's Singapore-New York flight. I would really like to see a business class suite, not a seat, with a door for privacy and room to get up, the Qatar Qsuite is amazing and shows the way forward for Qantas. The Qsuite should be the starting point for Project Sunrise business class. And please let's have an extra toilet or two.
13 Sep 2016
Total posts 184
I agree with all the points above. Qantas has also done very well with its Perth-London 'wellness meals' and should do more of the same. Dine on demand would be a very good improvement for business class because on a flight that long a lot of people will want to follow their own schedule. Again, just look to Qatar for how to make 'dine on demand' work. Have a really good selection of light meals and main meals so people can pick and choose. Maybe even just have lighter meals but more of them in variety and how many they load, that's probably better for digestion than serving up the traditional main course.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
12 Jun 2016
Total posts 40
Q Suites similar to Qatar.Toilets with more room.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
06 Feb 2015
Total posts 9
Need to get the basics right before considering gyms etc. Also remember Auckland to Dubai is approximately 17hrs, 10mins, so in reality ‘Project Sunrise’ is not much longer.
As a minimum for the premium classes, QF needs to have closed in First Class suites, possibly something between the current Emirates First Class and there new ‘larger’ first class suites. For business class, the Qatar Q-Suite style as a minimum, the current QF A330/B787 business class is old hat, and there are better offerings on the market. Not flown the QF B787 premium economy, but understand that leg room is limited, so that would need improving.
A usable premium social area (EK style bar) is needed for first and business classes, allowing movement etc. Something similar for economy as well, may be a self-service bar and snacks.
A decent (plenty to choice from) selection of; movies, TV programs, music etc.
30 Aug 2013
Total posts 448
Qantas will be unable to sell First class seats if their business class is a QSuites style seat with a sliding door. There is almost nothing they can offer in addition to this to first class passengers to command the sort of price premium first class has.
17 Feb 2017
Total posts 12
Definitely need a stand up bar area to move, socialise and just get out of your seat and stretch your legs. Improve the amenities kits. Make the seats more comfortable and/or the bedding more plush.
17 Feb 2017
Total posts 12
I forgot to say, more toilets and bigger toilets please!!
04 Sep 2017
Total posts 3
lufthansa lower deck lavatory, that’s what Qantas needs. Proper use of lower (cargo) deck. Buy a freighter for freight and leave aircraft for bags, people, lower deck toilets, leaving space up stairs (main deck) for a signature bar and decent lounge meeting place.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
24 Jan 2018
Total posts 387
A bar like that on on VA's MEL-LAX sector (VA 23/24) would be good.
QF
04 Apr 2014
Total posts 177
Can we please make sure there is plenty of space for feet when in lie flat mode. Actually, in sitting mode as well given some business seats these days are limited in that area as well.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
20 Aug 2014
Total posts 120
For me a social area to stand for an hour or so would be great. I wouldn't care if this area didn't have seating.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
11 Dec 2017
Total posts 50
The 777X is just about 6m wide inside the cabin, A350 isn’t far behind either. An SQ style first with a large center aisle would be very easy to achieve. That said airlines have been researching the prospect of center aisle J class in widebodies for years.
04 Feb 2013
Total posts 7
Qantas has done some excellent work on its menu for PER-LHR, which should be the starting point. I would like them to go further, and push the boundaries on what can be done in the galley. There are some amazing concepts and products beginning to be offered by interiors vendors, including induction cooktops to cook from scratch in-flight, proper espresso machines that work at cabin altitude, and so on. These would really help with the premium experience for a 20-hour flight. And, they would also allow Qantas to take advantage of the opportunities to provide premium, tailored service, when you can spread the service out over a longer period of time.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
14 Sep 2012
Total posts 339
To do social areas you need realestate and realistically that's limited to an A380 size, unless you go below deck but I honestly doubt the economies of scale will support this.
31 May 2013
Total posts 21
This sounds strange - I’d like to see the inseat massage feature improved to improve circulation, and stimulate blood flow; helping with any swelling, and potentially support DVT.
Etihad - Etihad Guest
06 Apr 2012
Total posts 108
An onboard shower facility such as what Emirates have available on the a380 would be ideal. Given the long duration of travel, a quick freshen up before landing would be welcomed by premium travellers - particularly those that have to 'hit the ground running' upon arrival at the destination. Also, having a change area separate to the toilet would be welcomed.
05 May 2016
Total posts 601
I'd like to see showers too. It would be nice for First Class passengers.
30 Jul 2015
Total posts 100
Showers are not going to happen. Shower in the lounge prior to departure or after landing. EK gives 2.... 5 min showers per pax.
18 Aug 2015
Total posts 54
Plus the weight of the extra water
05 May 2016
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I meant they can use the shower room for 30 minutes, I think. The point I meant was that with showers not everyone can shower at the same time.
Qf
26 Apr 2015
Total posts 19
You get 30 minutes to use the room, but 5 minutes of water and you can stop and start the timer again. Doesn’t sound much but plenty to have a shower.
23 Feb 2018
Total posts 3
Showed for business clsss 🙏 . I would pay extra.
18 Aug 2015
Total posts 54
Just shower before you leave and in an arrival lounge
31 May 2013
Total posts 21
I’d like to see an improvement to the massage features - something more intense to support circulation, and reduce swelling, perhaps also improved mattress to support this as well in both cabins.
QF
31 Dec 2014
Total posts 5
Most definitely a 'social space' a las QR / EK onboard bar. Whilst that is definitely prime real estate, the ability to move around and socialise is of utmost importance.
14 Oct 2016
Total posts 87
For First Class I'd have have a suite with a recliner seat and a separate mattress that folds out from the side. To reduce the weight, I wouldn't have a message function as I find these not good enough in plane seats. The foot rest should be able to be another seat for dinning with fellow travellers.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
21 Jul 2014
Total posts 147
Toilets on the lower deck like Lufthansa’s A340 would free up space, perhaps galleys too.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
20 Mar 2014
Total posts 135
The fact people are suggesting showers show how quickly this has gone off course.
18 Aug 2015
Total posts 54
"To kill 20 hours you need to be able to do one of three things: sleep, work or watch movies/read". You need to eat also...
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
13 Nov 2018
Total posts 95
Totally agree with turbojezz. Weight is a big issue here. More weight on hard products = less fuel = reduced range and other issues with weather and diversion restrictions.
04 Sep 2017
Total posts 3
First should be Super Suites with lots of windows and private area with seperate bedroom on lower cargo deck or adjacent. Business should be mini suites true flat wide bed. Premium economy should be old business seats with angled flat narrow bed. But squashed together. Economy should have premium recline. Some area for economy + sleep capsules on lower deck.
Qantas
01 Jun 2016
Total posts 30
For me the most important need is sleep. I would like flatbeds with larger width so that I am not forced to sleep sideways
28 Sep 2016
Total posts 4
I would like to see a XXL size in pyjamas as well as the current L-XL. I also like the privacy screens that are offered in Emirates and Etihad. I also think some specialty socks to help with DVT/swelling would be good. The shower room in Emirates is also wonderful but with Qantas moving away from A380 this may not be an option. Food options moving to more freshly prepared options would be nice as well.
14 Jun 2013
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Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
20 Mar 2014
Total posts 135
yes an arrivals lounge for this flight is critical! great idea :)
14 Oct 2016
Total posts 87
Showers wouldn't be possible as the water would add to much weight. Beside offering showers before and after a flight, the only other option would be some damp sponge/towel for refreshment, but I'm not sure it would go down too well.
01 Apr 2014
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Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
18 May 2011
Total posts 232
I think the reason why Australian registered carriers cannot place doors on suites such as the ones you see on Emirates or Singapore airlines is because CASA doesn't allow it.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
26 Jun 2012
Total posts 57
As mentioned previously, a dry place to change clothing would be great. Either make the suite private enough that you can disrobe without drawing applause, or a separate small room where your trousers or socks aren't dampened by whatever moisture is rolling around on the bathroom floor.
13 Sep 2016
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Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
24 Jan 2018
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Perhaps one (1) change room could NOT have a loo? A true 'Powder Room'?
13 Sep 2016
Total posts 184
I like the idea of some form of companion dining in a business class suite, very nice to be able to share your meal with your partner. 100% on 'dine on demand', too, it's a big plus factor for me in choosing Qatar Airways for flights to London and Europe.
10 Aug 2016
Total posts 20
I know this is about Premium facilities but spare a thought for those locked in economy. I'm guessing Qantas will run the numbers and I'm a Qantas shareholder, but it will have to push some customers to one stop airlines. Getting there is one thing however how you are when you get there is another
20 May 2015
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For Business class, I honestly think Qantas' 787 product, but perhaps a little wider, would be perfectly acceptable.
For First, something like Emirates new 1-1-1 suites would also be perfectly acceptable. Honestly, a revised version of QF's current A380 First could be a good place to start... space-wise its more generous than EK's 1-2-1 First suites.
SQ/Etihad-style suites are simply not necessary (not to mention there are documented design flaws with both airlines' suite concepts... Etihad's suites have chairs with very little recline, and SQ's suites have an awkward position when one is trying to eat one's meals).
QFF
19 Sep 2013
Total posts 165
A bar area and dine on demand are my main choices. The idea of a dry area for clothes changing is also a good one.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
08 Jul 2014
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I would simply like to see some honesty from QF with respect to what is feasible on these jets, rather than more of the same marketing hyperbole (as demonstrated by the 787). Invitations for pie-in-the-sky daydreams aside, Qantas must be in the relatively advanced stages of determining the LOPA for each of the two primary contenders, taking into consideration cargo / weight restrictions / profit margins / deployability on other routes. QF's primary responsibility is to its shareholders, and it will always cram as many seats onto its jets as its 'home' advantage (familiarity / safety reputation / corporate preference / parochialism / QFF) allows. So until we have a more concrete framework from Qantas, many of the suggestions in posts such as this belong in the realm of fantasy, or onboard an ME3 jet (at least until economic reality hits home for them too, as seems to have started for EY).
United Airlines - Mileage Plus
17 Feb 2016
Total posts 47
How about some WiFi?
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
08 Dec 2014
Total posts 44
Qantas have already announced that the Project Sunrise aircraft will have wifi. I am sure that their thinking will be that, by the time the aircraft is ready, technology will have caught up so that they can offer a decent and reliable wifi service, which is not currently the case.
24 Oct 2010
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the Project Sunrise jets are almost certain to have WiFi, which Qantas intends to launch on across its international fleet from 2021 (see https://www.executivetraveller.com/qantas-to-launch-high-speed-international-wifi-by-2021). The reason for wait is believed to be so that Qantas can use the high-speed ViaSat-3 network.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
21 Jan 2014
Total posts 292
Somewhere to stand and stretch so you don’t look like some hovering pest to all those seated around you.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
31 Jan 2018
Total posts 5
For me I would trade some of the ideas on private suites for a natural place to walk to, linger and not be stuck in a seat. Some interesting thinking combining snack bar locations, bar, lounge, dining area.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
10 Jul 2013
Total posts 35
For me - a nice socialising area, for J/F pax, and wifi. I’m surprised that no ones mentioned a “curtain” option for F (or even J?) like on Air France. Not as heavy as “walls” and there’s something kinda sexy about that AF F class.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
22 May 2017
Total posts 12
I think all of the above are great ideas, but as DrSK said due to 1. economics 2. Space since it's a single deck twin aisle 3. super tight weight margins to make the distance, a lot of the suggestions will likely not make it. Qantas will really need to think very much outside of the box to deliver the best ever premium cabins.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
23 May 2014
Total posts 128
Firstly I’d send the Project Sunrise design team on a trip on the Q-Suites for inspiration ;)
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
10 May 2014
Total posts 112
KLM - Flying Blue
05 Feb 2019
Total posts 39
An ultra-long-haul airliner has to be comfortable in all cabins.
05 Aug 2017
Total posts 15
An area where you can do push-ups, a handle bar for pull-ups and yoga mat to do sit-ups and stretches. Best prevention of DVT is to do some basic body weight exercises. This can be at lower deck (cargo area) w/o windows.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
03 Oct 2016
Total posts 18
A lot of great options listed here, my favorites would be.
QF
25 Feb 2014
Total posts 20
What would i like to see? My own private 777 with a lap pool - But considering that Qantas 'is' a business and that project sunrise 'is' based on economics.................................
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
17 Aug 2012
Total posts 65
There have been complaints about the Singapore long haul Singapore to New York service, as it seems they wake everyone up with lights on to do a meal service right in the middle of the flight. It makes it impossible for people to set their own schedule, and to get an extended sleep during any part of the flight.
Also a separate bar area like those on Euro trains, which you could either stand or sit, and be served a meal/snack there rather than in your seat.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
14 Sep 2018
Total posts 14
I would really appreciate a dedicated changing room. I hate getting into the Qantas pj’s in a toilet. A simple cubical with some shelves on which to place your items while you change and a sink to brush teeth and wash your face.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
23 Sep 2017
Total posts 150
A stand-up bar area for milling and stretching that’s separate from galley or toilet spaces. It doesn’t need seats - the idea is to not be sitting for a while.
02 Mar 2018
Total posts 6
Leg room is very important for us tall people so don’t have a foot cubby on the side like SQ has just done. Also wider seats & a proper bar to socialize as this makes the time pass fast.
Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer
19 Jan 2018
Total posts 5
Time to keep real! Fewer seats, up go the prices! Need for more areas to change which doesn't necessarily mean it is a toilet with all the inherent plumbing. Lower deck would be ideal. Need for stand up bar area with snacks to break up the journey. In reality what is wrong with the current QF P and C seat areas unless you are over 2 metres tall.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
13 Mar 2015
Total posts 1
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
13 Jan 2015
Total posts 9
Qantas, and other airlines and travel companies, need to start realising that baby boomers like myself and my wife are becoming luxury leisure travellers a lot more, and we aren't as young as we used to be. We are aged 60 and often go on holidays with my mother who is 90. It stuns us that travelling business class there is no difference between the business and economy toilets, and definitely not enough room if we have even the slightest mobility issues, like a sore knee.
09 Mar 2017
Total posts 7
Play with the lighting to make them more segmented (Crew can control the ceiling lights for each indivudal seat). This is more important now as 20 hour flights mean everyone sleeps and wants to eat at different times.
03 May 2013
Total posts 561
-Proper food, worthy of the F and J fares paid-No more cafe style rock pool rubbish
18 Sep 2015
Total posts 73
Any bar/social area to be well away from the seats and properly acoustically isolated from seat areas.
26 Sep 2017
Total posts 43
If you've travelled on Emirates A380, you'll get the general idea of how comfortable a long haul flight can be...the bar at the back offers a social atmosphere, is quiet and away from sleeping passengers....Sydney to London via Dubai in this manner is perfect
18 Sep 2015
Total posts 73
That sounds good for the A380 - but thinking of AusBT's recent review of the new Emirates B777 layout, the bar is between rows of J seats, and permanently illuminated. I would not want to be in any of the three rows behind, or the first couple of rows in front of that bar. It only takes one or two loud night owls to ruin any chance of sleep. And a B777 variant is one of the contenders for Sunrise, so I'm worried.
18 Sep 2015
Total posts 73
Any bar/social area to be well away from the seats and properly acoustically and physically isolated from them.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
05 Oct 2016
Total posts 63
26 Sep 2017
Total posts 43
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
17 Jul 2017
Total posts 13
Sit/stand desk areas in quiet zones to get some work done while travelling with sufficient ports to charge laptops/ electronic devices.
Sitting in a seat for any length of time, be it for relaxation or work, is detrimental to one's health.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
05 Oct 2016
Total posts 63
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
14 Dec 2016
Total posts 20
Something like upgraded pyjamas to travel in (not just for sleeping in) and decent slippers
25 Aug 2017
Total posts 12
Having shower on Emirates A380, even on a shorter 7 hour flight leaves you feeling like heaven. If it's good for Emirates it should also be good for Qantas. The bar area good for a stretch and to socialize. But I hate the dine-on-demand, simply because the clatter of the cutlery and plate wake up others who are sleeping, or trying to sleep. The hours should be at least curtailed. However, any thoughts for those in economy? They deserve some comfort too.
27 Jul 2018
Total posts 1
Qatar’s Q-Suite sets the standard. The answer is there. Same or better, if Joyce wants to raise the bar and set a new standard. Upgraded amenity kits given the length of the flights. A decent pair of Compression socks would be a good addition to the kit.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
24 Apr 2018
Total posts 3
The list, if anybody from QF is reading
Jetstar Airways - Qantas Frequent Flyer
03 Jul 2018
Total posts 32
Ok, this is just me, and my expectations are not very high, but what I want from a first class flight is a level of service that requires attendants to check how you are going, ask you if you need anything, and suggest things that I may be interested in...subtle, sincere and visible....if you need to press the call button, then they have probably failed...Business class is not that different, but the quality and space probably should be somewhat less, or why bother with first class at all? Wider bed, better food and wine and a streamlined entrance and exit ( for first)
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
17 May 2015
Total posts 51
Dine on Demand.
23 Feb 2015
Total posts 271
Ideal state would be proper massage features built into the chairs to enhance circulation. Whether this is incorporated into every seat or if, for weight reasons, there can only be a bank of six or so that need to be booked, this would be ideal.
Etihad - Etihad Guest
27 Feb 2019
Total posts 2
I would like serviceable but breathable fabrics in the seating and bedding options. Nothing worse than clingy sweaty fabrics. Natural would be nice ... but practical?
24 Mar 2015
Total posts 18
Given this is such a long flight - showers for first, dine on demand, separate bar/social area for f and biz, enclosed much larger suites for f (including option for doubles), q suite grade spaces for biz. Then there would be a truly competitive product.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
29 Jun 2018
Total posts 5
Three things:
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
18 May 2011
Total posts 232
I know you're supposed to lay off the coffee on long flights but if you're going to offer coffee then I'd like espresso coffee. I'm not expecting a full on barista machine but I'll settle for Nespresso capsules. It would also be good if they made an espresso machine available at a self service bar and another one else where so espresso can be served with your meal (and as back up).
I think Virgin already have espresso machines on their planes don't they?
Also, I hear the water tanks on aircraft aren't regularly cleaned so they can be a source for nasty bugs so I'd be cool with seeing the espresso machine's being topped up from bottled water :)
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
26 Oct 2017
Total posts 79
20+ hours I personally feel will be a failure as this concept pleases the same bean counters that want the A380 gone. Downstairs in cargo bay area a couple of treadmills and exercise bikes, speed and time limited so passengers don't work up a sweat as showers will not be on board. Social areas however once again harder as its not the A380. Higher cabin pressure is a plus and the humidifiers must be worlds best. Mmm how about I suggest a stop over. Lol
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
26 Oct 2017
Total posts 79
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
06 Sep 2012
Total posts 217
Hard to top Emirates's IFE entertainment as it tailors to a worldwide audience, whilst QF tailors more to Australian audiences. There's only so much Hollywood/classics that you can put in.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
07 Feb 2018
Total posts 15
Echoing others, here's my quick list:
05 Dec 2018
Total posts 153
Simple innovative solution is put a bar / social area in a small section in the downstairs part.
23 Jul 2017
Total posts 70
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
20 Sep 2018
Total posts 5
An arrival and departure schedule that best suits business travellers, avoiding where possible wasted business hours trudging from Manhattan to JFK or vice versa.
25 Jul 2016
Total posts 1
Most QF business class seats allow you to get horizontal, but not 100% flat as each section of the seats are at slightly different angles. The "mattress" is too thin to mask this, so personally I find it difficult to sleep. Getting 100% flat, with a thicker mattress (like AirNZ) would make a huge difference. I find Emirates a bit tacky to be honest, but the couch area at the front of bus class next to the stairs is nice to visit and stretch, work, read a book... and the bar area at the back also gives a break from your allocated seat. I have two "big ideas" that would really set Qantas apart - having showers for Business Class and a roller shutter to enclose your bed when sleeping. Some carriers already have showers for First Class and in my opinion the rooms are unnecessarily large. A smaller shower room with 5-min timer, plus separate change room would help manage Bus Class volume. The change room could also be used for getting in and out of your PJ's, rather than everyone using the toilet even if you don't need to go. The roller shutter idea would mean that when you go to sleep you can enclose yourself (think Japanese pod hotel conceptually, Tambour storage unit for design) which would help reduce noise, light, disruption from passers-by and make for a good nights sleep.
10 Jun 2018
Total posts 16
Toilets. As those who have initially travelled from Perth on the 787 have found, the longer flights mean much more demand for toilets. That means pressure to keep them clean, and queues. Queueing for cramped dirty toilets is not a premium experience. This is easy to discount in design, because toilets aren't as sexy as seats or meals. However, on a long flight when you want to "go" and there's a queue, there's a certain "never again" feeling.
09 Mar 2015
Total posts 35
I'm in agreement with so many of the suggestions here, such as a more spacious business class, a special amenity kit created around these long-haul flights and dine-on-demand. From the perspective of a female traveller I'd like to add my vote for larger toilets with more space for changing clothes, and other thoughtful aspects like more shelving for unpacking your own toiletries, and better LED lighting around the mirror for touching up your makeup. Maybe even a decent hair dryer for a quick blowout before landing.
Emirates Airlines - Skywards
19 Jul 2014
Total posts 25
Q suite like Qatar, lounge area with sitting area along with stand up area. Larger bathrooms, Dine on Demand. Doors on both F/C and J/C.
Emirates Airlines - Skywards
11 Mar 2015
Total posts 191
similar size toilets like Etihad has on it's 787 for business class -Qatar style private cubicles-Ek-style bars on 380's-Singapore style book the cook--so all that Alan Joyce should do- go to the rivals and learn something useful from them!
Emirates Airlines - Skywards
11 Mar 2015
Total posts 191
EY 787 style toilets-EK style bars-QR style cubicles-SQ style book the cook options....the good stuff is already out just try to copy them!
28 Jul 2018
Total posts 5
More (and larger) lavatories. Ensuring they are clean at all times.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
10 Jul 2017
Total posts 2
Larger toilet not against window that makes crouching necessary for anyone over 178cm. (A380 problem especially.)
I have no complaint about Qantas service; a 21 hour flight will be tough for all - passengers and crew alike. Just make sure the best sleepers are for flying crew so they really can rest.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
24 Sep 2015
Total posts 1
These days many children fly business, and many business passanger expect to have a quiet seat as part of the deal. Therefore, a sound proof kids play area with hygenic nappy change facilities is a must on ultra long flights. This could be combined with the adult stretch and DVT prophylaxis area. It is important to provide opportunities to move, expedite energy and get the circulation flowing. Soft climbing equipment, simple treadmills ect. Do not place any TV screens or soft drinks in the area. In other words, the exact opposite of the new quantas lounge in Melbourne. DM drugstores in Germany have excellent facilities, which are very compact and safe - check them out and ask their designer to help.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
13 Jan 2017
Total posts 74
1. Ensure every decisionmaker has travelled on J and F on the current top 5 market offerings.
2. Maximise the main deck seating arrangements to get the required returns and move to best in class seat designs
a. Find designs that improve privacy without too much additional weight
b. Avoid foot cubbies totally
c. Power/USB ports put in places where I don’t have to be a contortionist to reach them or have a cord draped across the width/length of my space – i.e. so I can go to the toilet without stowing.
3. Move to the lower deck the "space consuming" and “movement” areas & larger or non-uniform sized things:
a. Modules (centrally located to reduce curvature and create walking aisles either side for exercise) such as additional slightly larger toilets and also 2-3 pyjama changing rooms with handbasin that can also be used as baby changing areas for all classes
b. Definitely more toilets, the longer the flight, the less the ability to “hold on until arrival”
c. Social Area – perhaps less emphasis on alcohol – more a stand up “coffee shop with juices, fruit & snacks”
d. Self help snacks and drinks cabinet similar to A380 to reduce staff loading and give reason for passengers to “move”
e. A couple of pull-up handles to do a few loadbearing lifts/exercises as well as walking
f. Adequate sound proofing between decks
g. Adequate sound proofing between the individual classes on main deck
4. Continue evolution of current good work on food research for long distance flights
a. Add dine on demand for premium classes
b. Ditch 3 course meal mentality and introduce a varied list of healthy smaller sized offerings. If you are hungry ask for additional dishes.
c. Change lead chef and get away from tasteless bowls of leaves purporting to be a “salad”
5. Water is too heavy for onboard showers, so provide arrival lounges where premium passengers can shower, shave, press/change their clothes, etc before heading off.
6. Crew structure rethink to allow for dedicated cleaning staff throughout the flight.
7. Pressure the engineers to improve even more the humidity of the air and changeover cycles to reduce fatigue and jet-lag without significantly driving up fuel costs
8. Supply headsets that are able to drown out cabin noise but at the same time be very comfortable to wear while sleeping/resting in various positions
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
18 May 2011
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Dan from Djs Aviation which is on YouTube might have the scoop of the week. He was at the Avalon airshow and talking to some Qantas pilots who related to him that Qantas is going with the A350-1000ULR. So, unless there is a change in circumstance I guess that is what we'll be seeing. But even then an official announcement isn't planned until much later this year so there is a lot of water that has to pass under the bridge between now and then.
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