Qantas' non-stop Perth-London Boeing 787 flights start March 24

By David Flynn, April 27 2017

  • Qantas non-stop Perth-London Boeing 787 flights start March 24
  • Daily QF9 service begins from Melbourne with domestic Dreamliner leg to Perth
  • Qantas axes Melbourne-Dubai-London Airbus A380 flights

Qantas will begin daily non-stop flights between Perth and London on its new Boeing 787 Dreamliner from March 24, 2018, with tickets now on sale.

However, as exclusively tipped by Australian Business Traveller in December 2016, the airline will axe its Airbus A380 flights from Melbourne to London via Dubai in favour of the direct Dreamliner service between Perth and London.

The Perth-London flights, which go on sale today, will inherit the QF9 and QF10 numbers of the Melbourne-London superjumbo service and will also begin at Melbourne, offering travellers from the Victorian capital a Dreamliner all the way to London.

Introducing the new QF9: Melbourne-Perth-London

The Qantas Boeing 787 bearing the QF9 flight number will depart Melbourne's international terminal at 3.20pm to reach Perth at 5.20pm.

After a 90 minute layover – with most of that time spent at an all-new Qantas Perth International Lounge – the Dreamliner will set off for its non-stop run to London at 6.50pm, reaching Heathrow at 5.10am the following day.

The return journey on QF10 sees the Boeing 787 wheels-up from Heathrow at 1.30pm – affording travellers time to relax in the new Qantas London Lounge slated to open in the second half of this year – arriving into Perth at 1.15pm the next day.

At 2.45pm it continues onto Melbourne, touching down at 8.10pm.

But that's not the end of the run for this busy Boeing 787, which will then become Melbourne-Los Angeles flight QF95 – which is being re-timed to leave Melbourne at 10.40pm for a 5pm arrival into LAX.

Qantas has designed these additional cross-country and trans-Pacific legs to not only maximise the Boeing 787's flying time but also entice Perth residents with a one-stop Dreamliner route to Los Angeles to help fill the plane's seats on the domestic west-east trek.

Paying the 'non-stop' premium 

However, travellers can expect to pay a premium for the direct Perth-London service over one-stop flights such as London via Dubai.

Qantas is pegging year-round return fares for QF9 as follows:

  • Business class: starting from $9,890 Melbourne-London, and from $9,725 for Perth-London
  • Premium economy: starting from $4,450 Melbourne-London, and from $4,250 for Perth-London
  • Economy: starting from $2,270, "but are expected to drop below $2,000 during sale periods" the airline says

The 14,498km trek will take around 17 hours, which currently pegs it as the third-longest passenger flight in the world, and the world's longest Boeing 787 flight. 

“We’re conscious that this is a long flight, but not much longer than our Sydney to Dallas service," says Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce.

"It’s the kind of route that the Dreamliner was created for, because of its built-in features to reduce jetlag and improve the overall travel experience."

“We’ve added a very high level of comfort in each of the cabins and a lower seat count than most of our competitors.  And we’re making tweaks to our in-flight service designed to help customers enjoy the journey more.”

Before setting out for London, business class travellers and other eligible passengers – including Qantas Platinum and Gold frequent flyers and their Oneworld Emerald and Sapphire equivalents, as well as Qantas Club members – will rest up in an all-new Qantas Perth International Lounge being built in a dedicated 'international wing' of the domestic Terminal 3 which will also include immigration, security and quarantine facilities.

Qantas says it will share more details "on the transit experience at Perth" next month.

A Dream(liner) run for lounge lizards?

With QF9 starting its journey out of Melbourne's international terminal, this will allow Platinum-grade frequent flyers to book the Boeing 787's Melbourne-Perth leg as a domestic flight – and enjoy the food, drink and spa of the Qantas first class lounge by grabbing even the cheapest economy ticket to Perth.

The timings work well for an east-west business trip, with QF9 out of Melbourne at 3.20pm and arriving into Perth at 5.20pm.

However, Qantas will want to keep open as many seats as possible for travellers who are going the whole way from Melbourne to London rather than doing a short hop for which it already offers a half-dozen domestic flights.

As a result, we expect Qantas will deliberately engineer the Melbourne-Perth pricing of QF9 to be far higher than its domestic equivalents in order to discourage transcon lounge lizards.

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David Flynn

David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 524

5:10 am arrival in LHR! For holiday travel that's far from ideal timing. Much prefer the QF9 MEL-DXB-LHR arrival time.

I think if I do try this I'm more likely to try the return leg instead of QF10

Though if QF9 and QF10 do get axed it'll be interesting to see what happens to QF1 and QF2 timing

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 499

Yeah but a later arrival, same as existing QF9 would then mean the flight leaving PER at 1am. That is not good for holiday travel either!

deany83

deany83

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Jul 2014

Total posts 133

Wonder who QF did a deal to swap slots with unless QF1 is going to be retimed

chap6595

chap6595

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

17 May 2015

Total posts 51

Qantas have a number of slots that are leased by BA..Maybe Qantas took some of the back....only time will tell!

chap6595

chap6595

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

17 May 2015

Total posts 51

I would love the QF 9 to be slightly eariler than the Emirates flight going to Dubai...that way you can beat the crowds to the showers then have your full pick of other European Destinations.

Chris2304

Chris2304

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2013

Total posts 386

Fantastic! A new era for Qantas!

All we ask Qantas is that you improve the pitch for PE and add another dedicated toilets for Business. 

gsx

gsx

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Aug 2015

Total posts 21

Another piece in the jigsaw that matches the change to QF 95/96 timings ... just join the dots for the total round trip Lax/Mel/Per/Lhr and back.  interesting use of aircraft I think.

GregXL

GregXL

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 May 2014

Total posts 394

The Y and PE fares are about the same as CX for late March.  J on CX is $3000 less.  I expect it is only J that QF can expect a premium for PER - LHR.  CX is their only competitor offering PE over the whole journey, but that may change soon.

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 524

$9,725! I wonder how much MEL-PER-LHR return would cost? Even more? One can get QF9 on the A380 for over $2K less on a good sale.

If QF9 is scrapped it will be interesting to see how MEL-SYD-DXB-LHR compares with MEL-PER-LHR price wise and SC earn. If the saving is significant going via SYD or if QF does MEL-DXB connecting with SYD's DXB-LHR that'd be tempting as a holiday traveller.

moa999

moa999

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

02 Jul 2011

Total posts 1373

You can't compare sale prices to non-early prices. 

What's the current non-standard fare on MEL-LHR?

Joshb

Joshb

Qantas - QFF Platinum

20 Mar 2012

Total posts 212

Seems like the 787 MEL-PER would have to leave 2-3pm-ish to link up with the PER-LHR 6.50pm flight. On the return it would arrive at around 7pm-ish into MEL from PER which links up with the retimed QF95. Decent aircraft utilisation, well done QF. 

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 499

It leaves MEL at 15:20, so yup.

And utilisation is indeed interesting. MEL-LAX, then 5 hour layover in LAX, back to MEL and 6 hours, then to LHR and 8 hours and then back to MEL for a 1:30 turn around before going to LAX again.

OzMattyD

OzMattyD

25 Jul 2011

Total posts 14

A pretty good option if you need to be in London for work on the day you arrive, and you don't have to mess around in Dubai (with the delays etc). I'd consider this as an option outbound (even from Sydney) but I would still return on QF2. The current Dubai - London sector on QF1 is too short to get a proper sleep in before a full day in London.

JJJJJJJ

JJJJJJJ

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 Feb 2017

Total posts 25

Geez, at that J class price I'm gonna need an extra red cordial before takeoff...

reeves35

reeves35

24 Aug 2011

Total posts 520

This pricing seems a bit of a try-on.  You can do PER-LHR on SQ in Mar 2018 for $1530 in Y ( that's an 8 abreast A330 or 9 abreast 777).  Over $2K for a 9 abreast 787 is daft!!!

Likewise J pricing is way up there.  I don't think the 2.5 hours saved justifies the $3K price difference compared with QR or MH.


flychrisfly

flychrisfly

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Jun 2011

Total posts 76

11:37am... waiting waiting for qantas.com to be updated with the new flights

Damien00

Damien00

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

25 Feb 2016

Total posts 24

No more A380 out of Melbourne in the evening.... looks like the options are to travel via Perth, Syd on QF1 or another carrier.

maabbot

maabbot

06 Feb 2014

Total posts 91

Arrival time in London works well for business travellers...in fact replicates the old timing when Qantas routed via Singapore.  Arrive 5.10am...beat traffic...freshen up...can be in meetings mid morning...

GregXL

GregXL

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 May 2014

Total posts 394

As the article suggests, Y fares for PER-MEL on QF9/10 are about double the cheapest fares currently on offer.  PE is not offered on that sector. 

PE is offered on PER-LAX, but on the PE sale fare the PER-MEL sector is in Y.  Not competitive so far. 

downdata

downdata

28 Dec 2016

Total posts 69

Sooooo this is essentially a downgauge for mel-lhr

bl812

bl812

Emirates Airlines - Skywards

11 Mar 2015

Total posts 174

ridiculous pricing-at nearly 10K you can get a first class ticket with other airlines so who in their twisted mind would pay such for a business class???

Meridiengroup

Meridiengroup

26 Aug 2012

Total posts 33

Bookings BNE-LHR routed via PER now also on booking site. Sadly, best connections use 738. Quotes 18.20 flight time for PER-LHR .... wayyyyyy tooooo long ... prefer CX - BNE-HKG-LHR.

wdeguara

wdeguara

Etihad - Etihad Guest

06 Apr 2012

Total posts 88

Yes.  I notice that too when looking at the Qantas web site today.  After March 24 the web site no longer offers QF8435 (the Emirates A380 code share to Dubai) and QF8434 (the return service) as a booking option.  The only way to get to/from London from BNE as a Qantas passenger will be via PER, SYD or MEL.   Oh man !  I hope this is just a bug with the booking system.

MKS111

MKS111

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 Sep 2011

Total posts 85

I understand that the cabin crew on the international leg (ie. to/from London) will NOT be Aussies but London-based crew

Looking

Looking

10 Aug 2015

Total posts 118

Being an Australian and being based in London are not mutually exclusive.

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 499

I am still perplexed by the change from MEL to LHR from A380 to 787.

Essentially the capacity has halved, plus now the potential traffic wanting to fly this route will have probably doubled. Eg passengers wanting to fly PER-LHR (plus CBR/ADL/BNE one stoppers via PER). Plus add in traffic that might want to fly PER-MEL-LHR. Lots of competition for few seats.

Would have thought MEL-DXB at least would remain possibly connecting to QF1 or an EK service to LHR, or latter when more 787's a MEL-DXB-LHR route, which of course would need a slot pair back from BA.

But as it stands just doesn't make too much sense from a pure seat number perspective.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 395

AJW the capacity has halved as QF is struggling in an overcrowded market as AJ said. For me from Canberra I always prefer the Melb LHR Flight as it is easiest to get upgrades etc on it, which means it is not a big earner.  Dropping capacity by half on that route makes sense. The A380s need their D checks plus a refresh (which will take a couple of years to do the lot) and a focus on Asia makes sense for the A380s. If LHR demand picks up they can go double daily but the next four 789s may focus on continental Europe (eg Paris). They will see how demand to the US pans out with Trump before adding more on that front. The last six 747s are around until 2022 so plenty of time to work things out.

Theresnormissin

Theresnormissin

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Oct 2016

Total posts 59

It's currently showing at £4231 (Approx' $7,300AUD) to fly Business Saver LHW - PER return for those interested.

flychrisfly

flychrisfly

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Jun 2011

Total posts 76

QF website has no J class flights (or availability) for PER-LHR for 24th, but they do for 25th...

flychrisfly

flychrisfly

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Jun 2011

Total posts 76

Just spoke to QF. 24 March 2018 is already oversold in J and W with 2 seats left in Y. I missed out :(

colin5353

colin5353

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

03 Jul 2011

Total posts 179

Email for QF today touting "book now" do a dummy booking from Adelaide for May 2018, I get ADL-MEL, MEL-LHR via DBX on QF9 in a A380: no mention of PER

colin5353

colin5353

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

03 Jul 2011

Total posts 179

my mistake, wrong year....  duh.

UpUpAndAway

UpUpAndAway

QF

11 Jul 2014

Total posts 285

I'm sure Qantas will be giving heavy discounted fare after the first 12 months, the pain of sitting on a plane for that long deserves a bigger discount then flying via another country. My wife would shoot me 5 times over if I put her on a plane for that long.

dravid74

dravid74

13 May 2016

Total posts 13

Dumb question... but Is this flight daily?

rowwdy

rowwdy

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Mar 2013

Total posts 135

Wonder what time the MEL lounge will close at now...

MelbFlyer

MelbFlyer

Air New Zealand - Airpoints

23 May 2013

Total posts 38

They still have the overnight flight to AKL that leaves around 2300 so will have to remain open late for that. 

Meridiengroup

Meridiengroup

26 Aug 2012

Total posts 33

Just checked. BNE-LHR J class via PER = 51k points and 480 sc. OOL departure = 66k points and 640 sc. Over 30% difference. They are funneling everyone via PER and cut 380 from MEL. It's all very weird really. They would need 2 x 787's from PER. And the 738 connections suck for the big $10k + fare. Not for me. Back to SIN or HKG to Europe. Not impressed at all. 

henrus

henrus

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

23 Oct 2013

Total posts 714

Yeh I see where you're coming from. The closest connection I could see (on the day I searched) left a four hour stop between the BNE-PER and PER-LHR flights and to top if off the flight BNE-PER was an B737.

grahama33

grahama33

16 Feb 2017

Total posts 13

Not a great day for Melbourne travellers. Losing an A380 service - and instead we get Jetstar like 9 abreast seating in a 787 :(

JY

JY

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Jun 2016

Total posts 5

The Australian is already reporting that the first flight is completely sold out!

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 524

Considering a number of seats would be reserved for the media, QF management and perhaps others as well such as some important customers that's not surprising.

The big test is
a) convincing people to fly the route from e.g. MEL

b) giving an experience that's good enough that people keep on coming back for more. If passengers fly it once and then decide never again they may do well for a while but they'll eventually lose a lot of business.

John Phelan

John Phelan

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Oct 2011

Total posts 318

It sold out in 2 hours, apparently!

TAADC9

TAADC9

10 Feb 2012

Total posts 9

Will still do QF/EK on the A380 from Sydney, then doing the 787 via Perth. Why?? Space/Room to Move, Bar, wifi, More Toilets, First Class Lounge, Service, Limousine, 560 Status Credits (instead of 480 via Perth). Alternatively Singapore Airlines, Etihad and Qatar as well. 

Bait

Bait

28 Apr 2017

Total posts 3

I noticed that SYD- PER-LHR gives a lot less status credits (515) than SYD-LHR return (560)

Rusty1

Rusty1

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Jul 2014

Total posts 22

"We've added a very high level of comfort in each of the cabins ..." says Alan Joyce.  But toilet ratio in Business (sharing with PE) is a significant reduction in comfort, along with PE seat pitch.  I've done QF9/10 a number of times over the years in J but not any more.  Plenty of alternatives with greater comfort and better price,

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 395

Rusty the A380 shares business with PE toilets (I know I do it regularly) and the ratio is much the same when business and PE are added together.

rambler

rambler

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Jul 2013

Total posts 23

More confirmation that Qantas is indeed "Sydney Airlines" rather than the national carrier. Despite the Boeing hype often repeated here, A380 is a vastly more comfortable aircraft for long distance travel. 

maabbot

maabbot

06 Feb 2014

Total posts 91

One think that really hasn't been promoted is Perth - LAX part of this route...this plane will get a lot of patronage as it's (correct if wrong) the same 787-9 all the way with 1.5hrs in Melbourne?  No more Sydney transits for Perth travellers and international to international transfer in Melbourne...Qantas should sell this!

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 395

Having just come to the US on a United 789 over 14 hours. The experience is much the same as a A380 in terms of smooth ride noise etc. In economy it is cramped but not much more than a A380. UNITED's rather more than average service is very easy to beat by QF. It is not a game changer plane as it is rather tiny compared to what I am used to, but 17 hours is doable.

zoomzoom

zoomzoom

21 Aug 2015

Total posts 90

So Ho Hum..........too little too late......and far too expensive........much better options through Asia with much better carriers......QF  can carry on about this but I wouldn't even consider it. 

RaptorNation158

RaptorNation158

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Aug 2014

Total posts 513

I can deal with everything else but lower SCs flying MEL-PER-LHR especially when it's a lot more expensive and far brutal just seems absurd. At least give more SCs for what you're paying and enduring.

johnnypc67

johnnypc67

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 90

Can we expect when more 787 come into the fleet to see Melbourne to Perth to Paris/Frankfurt given the Dubai connections will be no longer??

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 395

Johny, AJ mentioned Berlin rather than Frankfurt which is interesting. I think he plans to go to the new Brandeburg airport assuming it opens next year or early 2019. I think the next four 789s will cover Brisbane to LA and New York, and Paris. Berlin would come later I think, but is clearly in the mix. QF may get a good discount on landing fees to attract it there rather than Paris. There will be some juggling to keep the 789s based in Melbourne, but maybe double daily to LA and then onto New York for one of them. The freed up A380 could then do the Brisbane to LA run assuming the current 747 had good loads.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 395

Johny it seems Brisbane to Los Angeles - Brisbane - Perth - Paris may be next with the next four 789s being based in Brisbane from the second half of next year. Would New York be in the mix? This would mean tickets on sales from October or so.

crosscourt

crosscourt

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer - Chairmans Lounge

01 Sep 2011

Total posts 346

very sorry that the A380 is being dropped MEL-LHR.

Rusty1

Rusty1

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Jul 2014

Total posts 22

 

Patrickk, I'm fully aware of the current sharing arrangement of toilets on the A380 with PE. That's the reason I stopped flying QF9/10 (and QF1/2) a few years back after they modified the aircraft and removed two J Class toilets for more J seats.  International J Class with QF just goes from bad to worse in terms of comfort, including the dated Skybed Mk2. To reiterate my comment in an earlier separate post on the Qantas 787, I would like to see AJ and his senior internal design manager travel on the inaugural QF9 MEL-LHR in the "revolutionary" PE class.  They might then gain an understanding of the negative comments from seasoned flyers about the 787's degradation of comfort for premium PAX.

shane.tomlinson

shane.tomlinson

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Oct 2016

Total posts 9

Is 3:20pm meant to be 4:20pm? Given the two hour time difference, and three during DST?

LondonAussie

LondonAussie

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

12 Jul 2014

Total posts 110

I wonder if they will re-time the QF1/2 to suit? If the 789 from MEL/PER is arriving early morning and departing early morning, would it make business sense to change the 380 to an afternoon arrival and evening departure.

It certainly would funnel some pax onto the 789 who need the morning arrival.

Dexter

Dexter

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

13 Sep 2014

Total posts 5

They have to retime QF1/2. Currently qf1 a380 becomes qf10 (aircraft stays 6hrs in LHR). Most likely qf1 will be retimed for evening departure to minimise aircraft parking fees in LHR.

thehound

thehound

19 May 2016

Total posts 14

Does anyone know when QF will offer PER-LHR or LHR-PER legs as a classic award, and what the pts cost will be? Maybe they already are but are getting snapped up quickly...

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