Qantas' non-stop Perth-London flights to go on sale this week

By David Flynn, April 24 2017

Qantas will begin selling tickets on its non-stop Perth-London Boeing 787 service today, with the inaugural flight on March 24, 2018. We've shared the schedule below, more details in our story here:

As expected, the debut of the Dreamliner between Perth and London will see Qantas cancel its daily Airbus A380 flights from Melbourne to London via Dubai.

PREVIOUS | Qantas is expected to launch its non-stop flights between Perth and London this coming week and begin selling tickets for the first of the Boeing 787 flights, which are tipped to take wing in late March 2018.

Here are some blanks that'll be filled in once the flights go on sale.

Arrival and departure times: when will the daily Boeing 787 flight leave Perth, when will it arrive at London's Heathrow Airport, and vice versa?

Starting from Melbourne? It's also been tipped that the Boeing 787 service will begin from Melbourne around 7pm, allowing travellers from the Victorian capital to take their seat on the Dreamliner's Melbourne-Perth leg before continuing onto London (with a short break at the new Qantas Perth International Lounge).

Onwards to Los Angeles? Another one to watch: speculation that after the Dreamliner's London-Perth leg it'll continue to Melbourne and then onwards to Los Angeles as QF95 (which will be the Boeing 787's first international service, starting December 15 this year). This would entice Perth residents with a one-stop Dreamliner route to LA as well as help fill the plane's seats on the eastbound cross-country trek.

A Dream(liner) run for lounge lizards: If the Boeing 787 starts it journey out of Melbourne's international terminal, this could allow Platinum-grade frequent flyers to book the Melbourne-Perth leg as a domestic flight – and enjoy the food, drink and spa of the Qantas first class lounge by booking even the cheapest economy ticket to Perth.

Also read: Get into the Qantas First Class Lounge on domestic Jetstar flights

What happens to Melbourne-Dubai-London? Will Qantas keep its current Airbus A380 service from Melbourne to London via Dubai, in effect delivering three daily Australia-London flights out of Sydney, Melbourne and Perth?

Or will the airline go through with a reported plan to terminate the A380 route at Dubai and have passengers transfer to partner Emirates for connecting flights, or hand the entire Melbourne-Dubai-London route over to Emirates?

How long will the non-stop flight take? Qantas estimates the flight will be around 17½ hours, but we'll soon know exactly how long travellers will spend in their comfy business class suites, 'revolutionary' premium economy recliners or extra-legroom economy seats.

Either way, the Perth-London flight will easily be the world's longest Boeing 787 route and come close to being the world's longest non-stop passenger flight (right now Qatar Airways claims that crown with its Doha-Auckland service).

How many passengers will take this new twist on the Kangaroo Route? The advanced Boeing 787 Dreamliner, with its superior seats and ability to reduce the impact of jetlag, will be another drawcard for the non-stop Perth-London flights.

But how many travellers from cities other than Perth will book this Dreamliner run, compared to the more established Airbus A380 routes from Sydney and Melbourne, which offer a first class cabin (always welcome for using frequent flyer points to upgrade from business class) and a stopover at Dubai before the final leg to London?

Also read: Qantas Perth-London – will you fly direct, or connect via Dubai?

David

David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

QFcrew

QFcrew

19 Nov 2012

Total posts 41

The MEL/PER/LHR flight will become the new QF9/10. 

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 527

I hope not. I do value the QF MEL-LHR A380 route and the timing of QF9/10 works well.

Chris2304

Chris2304

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2013

Total posts 388

Qantas needs to add another toilet for business and add an extra 2-3 inches of pitch to PE. 

rufusfly

rufusfly

13 May 2016

Total posts 37

Yes 70 passengers to 3 toilets is Ridicuilous

craigh

craigh

17 Feb 2017

Total posts 11

Agree, I will NEVER fly this route while those toilet ratios are in place!!  Qantas is going to lose my custom to LHR.

John Phelan

John Phelan

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Oct 2011

Total posts 322

well, you can continue to fly via DXB then. You're not going to be forced to fly the new route.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Rufus the A380 is four toilets for 99pax as PE share the back pair if Business class toilets. The ratio is much the same. 

Ryan K

Ryan K

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

30 May 2013

Total posts 303

After just spending only 6 hours in a 9 across 787 economy cabin, I shudder to think what this would be like for 17.5 hours. Flying from Perth is a great initiative by Qantas, but for economy passengers (even with an extra inch of legroom) I think this will be too bone-crushingly extreme. I'll continue to take the A380 from SYD.

iM

iM

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

27 Jul 2016

Total posts 50

Even though the A380 economy seats are narrower/closer together?

Ryan K

Ryan K

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

30 May 2013

Total posts 303

I always choose the upstairs cabin with two seats next to each other. It's a much better experience, with a much wider aisle than the 787 will have. The A380 economy seats are not narrower than the 787's will be.

downdata

downdata

28 Dec 2016

Total posts 69

If 17.4 > 18 then yes, the a380 seats are narrower. But for a 14 hr flight it really doesn't matter if it is 17 or 18 or 20, its going to be hellishly uncomfortable in anything but J.

langdonfm

langdonfm

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

24 Feb 2016

Total posts 18

The A380's Economy Class seat is measured 17.44 inches between the arm rests, and the B787 17.40. Whilst the A380's width is literally the narrowest of any A380 operator, the B787's is entirely unsuitable for long distance flying. 32" pitch is average, not extra, leg room. 

StudiodeKadent

StudiodeKadent

20 May 2015

Total posts 584

"The A380's Economy Class seat is measured 17.44 inches between the arm rests, and the B787 17.40."

May I ask, where did you get this information? Most sites, including Qantas' own website, say that the width of the seat is 17.2" and Boeing's own diagrams show the 787 as having 17.2" seating (with the width measured as between-the-armrests) in Economy.

I will concede the QF Dreamliner website says with an asterisk that the "usable width" will be 17.4". But how is this measured? If the armrest-to-armrest width of the seat is 17.4" then this can only be accomplished through either aisle or armrest slimming.

Looking at the pictures of the 787 seats, the armrests DO look slightly tapered and this might explain the width differential; but one must ask where on the armrest the "usable width" measurement was taken...

AT

AT

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Sep 2012

Total posts 259

I've a read a few times now that keeping the QF A380 QF9/10 MEL/DXB/LHR as well as the new 787 MEL/PER/LHR will be too much capacity on that route, it's doubling up and that makes sense, the basic maths add up. So why would EK then deploy their A380 back onto it.....it's that just doubling it back up again?

smit0847

smit0847

30 Aug 2013

Total posts 448

EK already have an incredible 9 A380 flights per day to London (6 to LHR, 3 to LGW) and I’m guessing would happily lease QF’s slot to make it 10 flights per day. EK have much greater reach and ability to fill a flight from DXB-LHR than QF do – its different types of passengers.

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 931

QF owns 4 slot pairs at LHR. They use 2 and lease 2 to BA. They will still use 2 (or 3 if MEL A380 isn't removed). Only way EK would be getting any is if they offered more money for a lease then BA does.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

I know they will may say it originates in Melbourne but it may actaully originate in LA and carry LA-Perth passengers on a one stop flight (or it may instead connect with the A380), and so either way avoid the issue of domestic passengers on an international flight. As for the time it may be up to 17 hours but having just done a quick Syd-DFW of just on 15 hours (getting in half an hour early) and LHR only slightly further, the 17 hour flights will be the in-bound, and probably not 17 hours most of the time.

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 527

I really hope they keep MEL-DXB-LHR or better yet do MEL-HKG-LHR or MEL-SIN-LHR on the QF A380.

Would be nice to have the option to go on QF metal from MEL stopping somewhere a bit closer to LHR than PER along the way.

Joe

Joe

03 May 2013

Total posts 385

Qantas stop  cannibalizing Business Class toilets - what are you thinking? If one goes unserviceable It's not a premium situation. A380, A330 now the 787! What gives, honestly?

melbtraveler

melbtraveler

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

02 Jan 2015

Total posts 56

Totally Agree. Just flew back on QF36 A332 with one Loo up front that was occupied most of the flight by some poor soul with food poisoning. Most of us just headed back to coach which was fine and didn't have to wait too long maybe 10 or so mins but still not an ideal situation. 

QFcrew

QFcrew

19 Nov 2012

Total posts 41

The layout of those 332 were designed for 4-5 PER flights. With the downturn in resource sector activity the aircraft have been redeployed internationally. There is a plan to add an extra J toilet to a small sub fleet in the near future. This does include the 2 existing aircraft with Skybed Mk I. 

clarkysdonga

clarkysdonga

18 Aug 2015

Total posts 49

What gives? more cash for bums on seats!

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Mviy just think coming back you will be that bit closer to Melbourne. I alway like short leg and a long leg (or vice versa) rather then two longish legs. I doubt they will increase capacity to the UK. The A380s will be used in slot constrained airports in Asia. 

UpUpAndAway

UpUpAndAway

QF

11 Jul 2014

Total posts 293

I actually enjoy a stop over, getting out of a plane for a couple of hours or even 1 or 2 days. I would change my mind if the price was right and / or it really reduced the flying time.

rowwdy

rowwdy

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Mar 2013

Total posts 137

I'm hoping if this replaces QF9/10, that the A380 still serves MEL in that direction to allow us to avoid LHR and SYD when flying QF to the rest of Europe. A flight to DXB, SIN or HKG would be ideal. Likely that we'll need to wait for the refurb program to finish for this though. 

Steve987

Steve987

23 Feb 2015

Total posts 254

It is hard to compare this service to the current QF9/10 service. Surely the expectation is that Adelaide, (maybe) Brisbane, Darwin and (of course) Perth based people will fly to Perth to connect with this service rather than going to Melbourne or Sydney to commence their journey. 

My point being that the capacity may be created across both Melbourne and Sydney, with QF1 becoming quieter also.

I have to admit to liking a day (rather than the two hour option) stop over also, especially when travelling with family (hence occasionally stopping in HNL on way to US as well), so will certainly be assessing options re stopping in Singapore, Hong Kong and Tokyo when we head over in a couple of years.

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 511

Plus of course the fact that the a/c will continue onto LA from Perth via Melbourne. So doesn't really leave all that many seats for Mel PAX to go to LHR, with the extra traffic from Perth and other connectors. So reckon the A380 via DXB will stay, or probably later on also changed to a 787.

DBPZ

DBPZ

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

26 Feb 2016

Total posts 101

A 12-hr SYD-PEK direct flight has been already too much to me and a stop over at SIN can make it much much more bearable. I cannot image what happens in the last 7 hours on a PER-LHR flight -- maybe consulting the map 1000 times to see how far LHR is.

drjl

drjl

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

20 Sep 2011

Total posts 24

"Are we nearly there?"

ajstubbs

ajstubbs

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Mar 2016

Total posts 169

There's also the potential for QF9/10 to shift to a non-daily timetable. Eradicating it with current QF1/2 timeslots will mean an A380 spending a long time on the ground at LHR so perhaps the timing of those flights will also change! QF will lose a lot of MEL traffic if the traditional QF9/10 is gone completely, there are simpler options that facilitate one stop trips to non-LHR locations in Europe. I've got everything crossed for an A380 ex-MEL route to Europe. I don't mind if its via DXB, SIN or HKG so much or where it ends up so long as it exists!

Covo95

Covo95

30 Jul 2015

Total posts 113

The Qf9/10 A380 could fly to another city in europe instead perhaps 

crosscourt

crosscourt

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer - Chairmans Lounge

01 Sep 2011

Total posts 351

I hope they don't disband the MEL/LHR service. If they hand it over the EK and they can make a go of it then why couldn't QF make a go of it? Not sure how it can be said that if QF hold it, it is over capacity.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Crosscourt they are not disbanding MEL/LHR, it will go via Perth. For all its history ithis flight has changed stopover points for various reasons. In this case going via Perth makes sense. 

crosscourt

crosscourt

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer - Chairmans Lounge

01 Sep 2011

Total posts 351

Ive just seen your reply ... I meant disbanding the QF A380 service.

flightdeck

flightdeck

21 Oct 2013

Total posts 15

Qantas should really buy and use the A350 for this route- a much better Aircraft with more room and the quietest.

Ryan Connolly

Ryan Connolly

13 Sep 2016

Total posts 12

Yes, you're right, Alan Joyce should listen to you and go right out and cancel his Boeing 787 order and buy a bunch of A350s just because you said so, obviously you have much more experience running an airline than he does.

johninoz

johninoz

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

01 Apr 2011

Total posts 29

Everyone of us who subscribe to ABT could run an airline far better than Joyce.  I have absolutely no experience in running an airline, but I could start work at Qantas next Monday, and within 6 months start to turn that airline around, and make it the great airline it once was.  I am sure there are jobs available for Joyce at United Airlines given his great customer service experience.  However, his spiritual home is probably Ryanair.

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 511

Mr Joyce did get those 787's for a very good price. They were of course intended for Qantas domestic. Actually should say the 788's were intended for Qantas domestic and the 789's for Jetstar. 

That said the poster above is right, the A350 is the better aircraft for this kind of mission, but the 787 is what has been ordered and obviously at this time the economics, especially as a result of the cheap launch customer price wins out.

I do beleive in the future the A350 will come into the mix. No doubt Airbus will offer Qantas a price that is too good to refuse, and the cheao and nasty 7late7 can then be given to it's rightful owner over at Jetstar.


freshthoughts

freshthoughts

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

08 Aug 2016

Total posts 59

Qantas really lost al of the attractive points of this plane as soon as they stuffed up each class

J: bad toilet ratio

PE: bad pitch and an over-hyped seat

Y: 9 across with average pitch

they didn't even get the plane early but stupidly marketed it like they were the first to operate it

Chris_PER

Chris_PER

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

19 Feb 2014

Total posts 451

And you know what, the gullible public mostly fall for it.  There is nothing revolutionary about this plane/product.

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 511

The 787 in generally is all over-hyped. Yes technologically it is a massive advancement, but as a passaneger it is just a modern 767.

GregXL

GregXL

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 May 2014

Total posts 401

Noticed QF95 changes from 1325 to 2240 departure on March 25.  Guessing this is to support aircraft change over with the MEL-PER-LHR service.

Aubz11

Aubz11

09 Aug 2014

Total posts 17

Sounds like QF could be sending the Dreamliner straight to LA after returning back in Melbourne from London with the change in departure of QF95. Given the arrival time of QF96, the aircraft could be on the ground in Melbourne for 3-4 hrs before being sent back to London. Aircraft utilisation to its full potential. 

QFcrew

QFcrew

19 Nov 2012

Total posts 41

We have Been told the aircraft will be routed LAX/MEL/PER/LHR and return. 

AmbroseRPM

AmbroseRPM

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

25 Apr 2017

Total posts 2

Yes, I just checked on Qantas' site and QF95 from March 25, 2018 will be a 787-9 at 22:40 (changing to 21:40- presumably with daylight savings from Sun 01 Apr.)  There is no QF95 on the Tuesday's from what I can see. 

QF96 (LAX-MEL) is a 787-9 from 25 March at 23:55 (presumably coming from QF95) without a flight on each Monday. 

ajstubbs

ajstubbs

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Mar 2016

Total posts 169

Introductory pricing is going to be very interesting - it coincides roughly with QFs annual premium companion sale so we will hopefully see some good A380 deals as well as for this route. I don't know many people who DON'T want QF9/10 A380 route to stay in some form or another; if they scrap it, they'll lose a lot of business ex-MEL even with this new routing.

TheRealBabushka

TheRealBabushka

21 Apr 2012

Total posts 3034

Time will tell if this route is successful. I anticipate yield will be sub-par.

Plat 1

Plat 1

01 Apr 2017

Total posts 8

Qantas business seat/bed whilst new is a decade behind the latest offerings of most major airlines. The bed/ seat offfering will factor greatly in decisions which option to london.

rebekkap

rebekkap

27 Sep 2011

Total posts 34

Which airlines do you think are better? The new Qantas Business Suites compare favourably with the other airlines I've flown J (including Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines, American Airlines, Finnair)

ajstubbs

ajstubbs

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Mar 2016

Total posts 169

If you search late March Mel to LHR, it currently comes up with QF1 but no QF9. Oh dear. 

Phil Young

Phil Young

Qantas

22 Oct 2012

Total posts 263

Try again ajstubbs.  QF website shows that QF9 is scheduled up till 11 April 2018.

ajstubbs

ajstubbs

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Mar 2016

Total posts 169

That's odd, I can find that on the website but the app will only show me QF1/2.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Ajstubbs, The app is particularly hopeless for most things and is very slown in updating. The new QF9 schedule presumably will be from April 12.  

Also it seems the schedule will enable the same plane connection LA to Perth and Perth to LA. The stop over in Mebourne won't be too long. This means there may not be too much room on the plane for domestic Mel-Perth passengers if that routing is what is planned. Give Perth passengers to the US West Coast and alternative to via the ME.

GregXL

GregXL

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 May 2014

Total posts 401

Perth passengers already have alternatives to via the ME to US west coast - via AU east coast!  The later operation QF 95 will certainly make connecting from PER easier.  Even better if the LHR-PER-MEL flight supports PER-MEL-LAX.  Finally a premium economy offering on QF for PER-LAX?

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Greg I think the same plane connection is the selling point. Avoiding the long security queues in Melbourne or the bus in Sydney is not to be sneezed at. Of course the ME3 are never the same plane. ANZ is the main competitor on the Perth LA route, not sure what the Auckland lay over time is for them.

GregXL

GregXL

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 May 2014

Total posts 401

Is that based on traffic stats?  Connections are not great.  Around 30h travel time when I have looked, against low 20s with QF, VA and CX.  If I was booking today I would go CX. 

Looking

Looking

10 Aug 2015

Total posts 118

LHR - MEL for 21.3 - 2.4.18 is currently priced at £1324, which must be due to school holidays and Easter

turner773

turner773

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

03 Mar 2014

Total posts 15

If they start a connecting HBA-PER flight I'll be very interested. The PER-LHR flight has a lot of potential to add one-stop flights to Europe from cities which can't support widebody aircraft to the Asian and Middle Eastern hubs.

Patricka340

Patricka340

28 May 2016

Total posts 128

Hobart cannot even support a flight to Adelaide (Virgin Blue tried in the mid 2000's) so I doubt it could support a much longer flight to PER even with the LHR feed. 

Also, anyone flying to anywhere else than LHR will still have to double connect, so I doubt that a flight like this will be worth QF's time. 

Dmac6345

Dmac6345

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Apr 2017

Total posts 1

17.5 hours is too long even in business. I flew QF8 DFW - SYD in J and was more than ready to get off half way home.

John Phelan

John Phelan

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Oct 2011

Total posts 322

I love the QF 8 (well, at least I used to when it did DFW-BNE direct) - I find it's the right amount of time to have dinner, get a decent sleep, breakfast and then prepare to land.

Jazzop

Jazzop

02 Dec 2016

Total posts 84

The poll is misleading.  Why does the travel have to be via SYD or MEL?  What about using Emirates from BNE, ADL, via DXD too?

Chris Chamberlin

Chris Chamberlin

24 Apr 2012

Total posts 2947

The poll asks readers who currently fly with Qantas to London (on Qantas-operated flights) whether they'll stick with the Qantas A380 via Dubai or travel via Perth instead: its question doesn't concern travellers who choose to book codeshares on other routes or travel with partner airlines: only those who fly aboard a Qantas aircraft.

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 527

If QF9 and QF10 MEL-DXB-LHR on the A380 survives (or changes to go to LHR via HKG or SIN) it's an obvious decision to stick with that (why go via PER when you can have a stop closer to half way?). If it doesn't having to fly via SYD to fly QF on the A380 makes it a tougher call. Pricing and SC earn will be important factors.

flychrisfly

flychrisfly

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Jun 2011

Total posts 78

I wonder what/if Qantas Chauffeur Drive options will be available...

cloud-9

cloud-9

British Airways - Executive Club

28 Mar 2014

Total posts 64

It makes sense to encourage people from elsewhere in Australia to fly from a hub other than SYD/MEL .

PER is currently underused for intercontinental flights. 

J-sh

J-sh

29 Oct 2016

Total posts 35

@jM "Even though the A380 economy seats are narrower/closer together?"

Interpreting the "/" as meaning OR then perhaps. In other words David Caon has made the B787 economy seat backs thinner (and most likely harder) thus enabling the claimed extra 1" pitch between rows so with "OR" then yes this is perhaps the case.

Claiming that the 9 across seats on a B787 are narrower than on a 10 across A380 though is just plain false.

The comment as presented though does reflect how successful the Qantas PR (as taken up by David and other Qantas sponsored writers) was in deflecting attention from the narrowing of seats by the "look over there" reference to a supposed extra 1" of legroom.

Unfortunately David Caon hasn't worked out how to make passengers thinner across the beam and the seats will be considerably narrower than on the Qantas A380, although perhaps not such a squeeze as on 10 across B777s.

Seatguru seems to suggest 17" on a 10 across B777, 17.3" on a 9 across B787 and 17.5" on 10 across B747s and A380s. So the B787 will be a little better than the 10 across B777s but only just, and worse than the B747.

By contrast the A380 economy seat has always seemed wider than the B747. Just to check I took a tape measure on my last trip (on an A380) and the economy seat squab from join to join was near 20" and from inner arm rest to inner arm rest it was 18.3".

This interest in getting to the bottom of the matter came after I spent fifteen hours from YVR-SYD on Air Canada's B777 sitting next to a thin guy. I'm pretty average yet we pressed each other's flesh along the length of of the upper arm (elbow to shoulder) and upper thigh (knee to hip). One tends to sit very still to minimize the feeling of intimate contact. It was a very severe downgrading of amenity compared with how the B777 was when it was 9 across, typified by a young woman girl in the row behind the lavatory having paid extra for legroom but the big guy next to her was resting his arms on her chest, and edge of her breast.


J-sh

J-sh

29 Oct 2016

Total posts 35

^^^
Ooops. Double negative caught me out. Should have been Claiming that the 10 across A380 seats are narrower is just plain false.

youngflyer

youngflyer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

24 Jun 2015

Total posts 8

Does anyone know when this week?

David

David

24 Oct 2010

Total posts 2334

If we knew 'when', we'd have printed that. However, rumour suggests Wed/Thu.

Des McGowan

Des McGowan

21 Aug 2012

Total posts 1

How many hours will Melbourne-Perth-London actually save compared to Melbourne-Dubai-London?

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 511

It's not really the point. The point is more how many hours will Perth passengers save. And others from other smaller cities like Adelaide, Canberra etc, who can one stop via Perth as opposed to two stops now.

The Mel leg is more to provide a connection onwards to LA rather than service MEL.

AForrr

AForrr

24 Apr 2017

Total posts 1

Does anyone know what will happen to the A380 the 787 will replace? 

Will Brisbane ever see a Qantas A380? or is it not that popular of a route to put such a big plane on? Say  BNE/DXB/LHR or even BNE/LAX once the 747 is rolled out.... 

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Aforr I suspect the A380s will have D checks plus a full fitout so that may take a couple of months each. It depends on whether they want to do two at a time or one at a time. After that they will do HK first, and then other Asian ports. Think the new Beijing airport in 2019. I suspect they will end up basing the A380s in Sydney. I don't think Bris has the loads. Des On the time saving we shall see but I think about an hour given the palavar that happens at Dubai each night.

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 931

It is not yet known if the A380 MEL-LHR will be removed. That's speculation at this point.

Assuming it does happen, that gives them 2 A380s spare, which would allow for a midlife refresh on the 380 fleet, then use the 2 extra aircraft on existing 747 routes (likely MEL/SYD-HKG) in order to retire the older 747s.

The second batch of 787s is likely to be used on existing 747 routes (eg, BNE-LAX-JFK) to allow the retirement of the remaining non ERs

Chris2304

Chris2304

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2013

Total posts 388

looks like now today that the B747ERs will be replaced with either B777-8 or A350ULR

QFcrew

QFcrew

19 Nov 2012

Total posts 41

There will be one aircraft off line for refurbishment ( new seats ) from April 17 for one year. 

QFcrew

QFcrew

19 Nov 2012

Total posts 41

18 sorry. 

Nick Sydney 2

Nick Sydney 2

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

Much speculation and gripes on the board about this. How about we try it first? I would not be unhappy about a change in Perth and getting off in London. As for the length of the flight I think you will find it to be a bit more than QF8 which is a regular run for me. DFW to Syd is around 16 hours and so tack on an extra hour to that. Infrequent flyers would be hesitant. More regular ones can take it in thier stride. Non stop from Australia to Europe is a big deal so lets applaud rather than tear into QF. 

richard89

richard89

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Mar 2017

Total posts 26

Precisely!!!!! So many arm chair CEOs on here omg.

Chris_PER

Chris_PER

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

19 Feb 2014

Total posts 451

Not helped by the ridiculous mainstream media, claiming that return fares to LHR are generally priced from ~$2600 and Qantas would charge $3,000 rtn... LOL.

Zulu

Zulu

24 Apr 2017

Total posts 4

Fantastic that Western Australia is going to get a Qantas flight to Europe, let alone a non stop flight.  I suspect though that in economy the lack of elbow room and 9 across seating instead of 8 is going to lead to unwanted publicity that will blight the service.  Roomier A350 would be an improvement.  Or a A380 if Airbus got their act into order and got on with NEO and weight paring to get the non-stop range

Windyhill

Windyhill

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

27 Nov 2015

Total posts 4

Even full the 787 will only carry 236 passengers each way from PER to LHR and back. If, say, 150 of those passengers actually originate or return to MEL, that's less than 1000 passengers per week (assuming 3 return services). 

Currently the A-380 in a poor week probably carries 500 return each day or 900 at close to maximum capacity (3500 to 6000 or more per week).

I don't think the QF9/10 will be disappearing anytime soon unless Qantas are prepared to sacrifice thousands of Melbourne originating passengers to codeshare airlines every week. Less than daily or Dubai terminator maybe, but it would be a bold decision to cancel the 9/10 altogether. 

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Windchill, 9/10 is not being cancelled but routed through Perth but with around half the capacity. I think MEL-LHR on an A380 had poor loads compared with the SYD-LHR. Solution is to reduce the capacity and do something Else with the A380 which will attract more people such as Syd-HK. If If MEL-PERTH-LHR is a huge success they will go double daily with the next batch of planes in late 2018, but my money is on Perth-Paris at that time.

mcglynp

mcglynp

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

20 Jan 2016

Total posts 61

As much as think Joyce had oversold his new plane ( hello not at all revolutionary PE )  it a major milestone that we have a commercial non stop flight to LHR.  Qantas should be applauded for their boldness.  That said I look forward to seeing how the pricing breaks down, you can certainly charge a premium in J for the benefit of getting their in the shortest possible time ( even though it may only save an hour ).  But I'm not so sure on Y,  while the novelty value will be there initially.  Is there enough load from non east coast cities that would want to sit in economy for that long to save not that much time?  Personally I like a stop over these days to break it up, and if my company is paying it will only be an option if its the cheapest one. 

jgb59

jgb59

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

16 Mar 2016

Total posts 35

I am in Brisbane and would consider the Brisbane-Perth-London option only if I could get an A330 on the Brisbane-Perth leg otherwise my choice would be Emirates via Dubai on an A380, plus via Dubai there are so many other European options if London isn't your ultimate destination.

Auster17

Auster17

24 Apr 2017

Total posts 1

Travelling economy for 20 hours is not my idea of a comfortable trip. Whichever way you go you have to stop once why not do it near half way . No thanks,rather go via Singapore, Hong Kong or even Dubai.had a hell trip LDN-SIN as the 3 people in the seats in front on a Qantas 380 rolled there seats all the way back, and left them there until almost landing and of course to have a meal. I am 6 feet and that was hell I had to bend my body to fit and stay in 1 position most of the flight. I know Qantas have given you an extra inch in this plane but 20 hours?

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 527

Y travel is difficult on any long haul flight, especially when you're tall. I try to avoid flying Y long haul where I can.

LDN is Lamidanda Airport in Nepal. LHR (London Heathrow) is what you meant.

traveller99

traveller99

18 Nov 2015

Total posts 106

As a small business owner, 17.5 hours of being disconnected from the internet is too long.  

AWA2602

AWA2602

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

29 Jul 2013

Total posts 209

I must admit that I'm not at all enthused about this option as a route to London now that the details have been released. I had very high hopes when it was first announced as it could have been a viable option to do my regular RTW trips almost entirely on QF metal.  The pax-to-toilet ratio in J on the B787 is just awful, not that its much better in the Boarding School Dormitory (aka the A380 J cabin).  This will be one of the most dearly missed aspects of the upper deck on the B747.  Unless they have made some major improvements to the "new" Business Suite for the B787 its not a place I'd want to spend 17.5 uninterrupted hours. Its a comfortable seat/bed, that's for sure, but with size 13.5 feet there's not a lot of foot space at the end of the bed and you do need to be bit of a contortionist to get in and out of the seat when its in bed mode if you're in one of the seats with the side console between the seat and the aisle.  If this service comes with a premium over the established routes via DXB, then for the money and time, First on the A380 via DXB will be a better option, especially with a 1:7 toilet-to-pax ratio!

Joe

Joe

03 May 2013

Total posts 385

Is the A350 such a silly option? Will Qantas go for it in lieu of cancelled A380's? Airbus make quieter planes and much more passenger friendly-always have. I know for the fact the A380 was "over soundproofed" which makes it a delight to fly in. I found the 787 did not live upon to all the hype from a pax perspective so if Airbus have done their homework I think A380/A350 are the way to go for QF international.(from a pax perspective of course). 

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

Jo QF have indicated that the (Airbus proposed)  A350-1000 Long Range version is an option for the replacement of the last six 747s in around 2002, and fly Syd-LHR and Syd to New York non stop.  They have agreed to offer it as direct competitor to the 777-8. The A359 that SQ will use on their non stop NY flight has too few seats.

AJW

AJW

16 Nov 2011

Total posts 511

SQ are planning on having their 359ULR's fitted in a premium cabin config, so hard to say really if a standard config cabin would be smaller. I reckon it would be around the same if not more than the 789 config Qantas is going to use.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 405

AJW I think QF wants over 300 seats for LHR and JFK direct. An A359ULR won't do that but a A35-1000ULR will.

TAADC9

TAADC9

10 Feb 2012

Total posts 9

Will still do QF/EK on the A380 from Sydney, then doing the 787 via Perth. Why?? Space/Room to Move, Bar, wifi, More Toilets, First Class Lounge, Service, Limousine, 560 Status Credits (instead of 480 via Perth). Alternatively Singapore Airlines, Etihad and Qatar as well. 

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