Qantas scraps plans for Perth-Johannesburg flights

By Chris Chamberlin, June 4 2018

UPDATE | Qantas has scrapped its planned flights between Perth and Johannesburg due to an ongoing stoush with Perth Airport over which terminal the service would use.

Perth Airport has insisted that Qantas use the main international T1 terminal for the seasonal service to South Africa.

However, Qantas planned to run the flights from the newly-developed international wing of its domestic T3 terminal, which is also used by the airline's Boeing 787 flights to London as well as the daily Boeing 737 service to Singapore.

This would also streamline connection for Qantas' domestic passengers flying to Perth to make the journey to Jo'burg.

"We had planned to operate a seasonal service this November to March, which would have put about 4,000 passengers a week through Perth," Alison Webster, CEO of Qantas International, told Australian Business Traveller on the sidelines of this week's IATA aviation summit in Sydney.

"We couldn’t operate it through Terminal 3 where the aircraft would in fact come in (from a domestic flight) and turn around, and towing (from T1) would make it completely logistically not okay."

Webster said that the Airbus A330 slated for the Perth-Johannesburg flight has since been "redeployed elsewhere" and will no longer be available for the South African route.

"It's a busy time of the year for us, so we actually got to a pinch point."

- David Flynn

EXCLUSIVE [April 11, 2018] | Qantas plans to expand its international footprint in Perth with non-stop flights to Johannesburg expected to launch in December 2018.

Internal airline schedules sighted by Australian Business Traveller but yet to be made public – and thus subject to change – indicate the direct flights would run four times per week from Friday December 7 on an Airbus A330-200 jet.

On Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays, flight QF65 would depart Perth at 12:45pm to reach South Africa around 5:25pm local time.

On the return journey, QF66 would depart Johannesburg at 10:25pm on the same calendar days, touching down in Perth at 2pm the following afternoon.

Again, those details are subject to change but Qantas' intention seems clear.

A spokesperson for Qantas told Australian Business Traveller "we’re always looking at new routes but we have nothing to announce at the moment."

Updated April 24: A Qantas spokesman has now confirmed the airline’s plans, saying “we’re in discussion with Perth Airport about a seasonal service to South Africa, and we’re hopeful we can make it a reality”.

The move would see Qantas take on Star Alliance member and Virgin Australia partner South African Airways and its daily Perth-Johannesburg flight, which Qantas used to sell to its own passengers via a codeshare agreement before winding up that deal in May 2014.

Qantas also runs Sydney-Johannesburg Boeing 747 flights six days each week as QF63 from Sydney and QF64 from Johannesburg, with plans to boost this to a daily service during July and August 2018 to cater to increased demand.

Go flat out to Jo'burg

It’s likely that business class passengers on Qantas' Perth-Johannesburg flights will be able to relax and unwind in Qantas’ new Business Suites (pictured below), which offer direct aisle access and convert into a fully-flat bed.

Two of the Roo’s Airbus A330-200 jets continue to fly with older SkyBeds in a 2-2-2 layout, often appearing on flights between Sydney and Beijing, although Qantas plans to upgrade these aircraft to the newer Business Suites.

The Johannesburg flights would depart from the new international wing of Qantas' Perth T3 terminal rather than the T1 international terminal.

However, eligible travellers would likely have to make do with Qantas' domestic business lounge at Perth's T4 terminal ahead of their flight as the newly-opened Perth International Transit Lounge is reserved for passengers on the Perth-London Boeing 787 service.

Chris Chamberlin

Chris Chamberlin is the Associate Editor of Executive Traveller and lives by the motto that a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, a great latte, a theatre ticket and a glass of wine!

John Odlum

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Great news, great AusBT scoop and great to see Qantas expanding its network once more. Although the SYD-JNB flight will become daily for July-August I would expect it to be cut back to maybe 3 times a week once the PER-JNB flight begins so that another Boeing 747 can be retired.

romaau

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20 Feb 2012

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I reckon that all depends on how much cargo it hauls.

I always wondered how full the 747 was actually (both Passengers and Cargo) and why they didn't run it as a Perth service picking up the other capital city passengers.

Briggo

Briggo

13 Feb 2015

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I think the 747 to JNB is pretty full Feb onwards. All the AU NZ SA ARG Super Rugby teams & Internationals use it instead of SQ to the republic, so that locks out J n premium economy

Ryan K

Ryan K

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30 May 2013

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Great news. With more international flights for Perth, hopefully including Paris and other European destinations in the future, I really hope Qantas look at a future Hobart-Perth service. It would be great to have these two capitals connected.

henrus

henrus

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23 Oct 2013

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While such connection would be great I can't see it happening due to the aircraft size required.

Currently, Qantas use 717's to service both Sydney and Melbourne (our largest cities) with the occasional 737 service (but on a whole, the 737's aren't sustainable to Hobart).

The 717's have a range of 2400km which is nowhere near the 3000km's required to operate a Hobart to Perth.

Boof

Boof

29 Aug 2013

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Qantas use 737's on all HBA-MEL services as of April. The comment that 737's aren't sustainable must be news to QF given they are exclusive to the HBA-MEL route for the foreseeable future and bigger news to VA given they use them exclusively between HBA and MEL, SYD, BNE.

The 717 only operates HBA-SYD return twice daily and is the smallest aircraft operated on jet RPT out of HBA.


HBA-PER might happen with a 737 Red-Eye service. Leave around 9pm after the last MEL-HBA service and arrive back in time for the 6am MEL-HBA. While not a seamless connection with the new International services it would be a start.

hutch

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I'm always happy to see new routes... but if the idea of HBA-PER was to connect to international services, a red eye wouldn't work.

Boof

Boof

29 Aug 2013

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Yep, I don't disagree that a red eye won't connect to the international services but I do think that is how HBA and PER *could* be connected. It's a suggestion more than anything else...

tetech

tetech

11 Apr 2018

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717s out of Hobart had a spike in cancellations starting late 2017 which we were told was due (in part) to maintenance. Our understanding was that QF added 737s to maintain the number of seats in/out of HBA, so it is not clear whether this 737 is a long-term thing or it will go back to 717s.

That said, as much as a HBA-PER flight would be nice, I don't see it happening. Better service from SYD-HBA would be more realistic - depending on daylight savings, a 09:30 departure means people arriving internationally after 07:30 can't make the connection. I've lost count of the number of times I've had to fly via MEL because of a crappy schedule.

henrus

henrus

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Correct indeed... All the people say that MEL-HBA is all 737's due to the surging demand are wrong.

The 717's will be back later (just look at the timetables) in the year and the chances are they'll bring back the delays and cancelations that they once had.

henrus

henrus

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FYI the 717's will be back between HBA and MEL from 28 October. The 737's are currently in fix the public perception of Qantas in Hobart.

To quote an ABC Regional article from November 2017...

"QantasLink, the regional arm of Qantas, has cut the number of flights it operates in a bid to combat cancellations and increasing customer frustration."

Boof

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29 Aug 2013

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No doubt QF as issues with the 717’s and the 737’s helped repair things but they were also upgauged to 737 over summer due capacity needs given Tassie is booming with tourism.

The NW18 schedule has been released and the 737’s are continuing on the HBA-MEL all summer now as well which was expected due to forecast demand.

henrus

henrus

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What's changed from yesterday?

The initial route was picked up by RoutesOnline and yesterday you said there was no reason to celebrate yet...

highflyer

highflyer

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10 Apr 2012

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I’m guessing that the internal documents hadn’t been sighted yet yesterday so was unable to confirm anything in concrete...

David

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GDS entry appeared, disappeared, then we sighted internal docs with the details which gave us confidence on this. GDS entries alone can't always be taken as Gospel, although the "now you see it, now you don't" GDS pattern is familiar as this is exactly what happened with Qantas' Perth-Singapore Boeing 737 service :)

chap6595

chap6595

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Was the "document" the link that I posted yestreday in the Community?

Chris Chamberlin

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chap6595: The link you posted wasn't to an internal document, and that didn't contain any information on QF65 out of Perth, so no, the internal docs confirming flight details came from our own sources.

chap6595

chap6595

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Thanks Chris...was just checking. Great work as normal.

dm12

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I agree, great work. It's good to see a journalist outline the current situation and then update it as soon as new info comes to light, even if it is shortly after. Much better than speculating as many journalists seem to do

Colesmore

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11 Apr 2018

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What's the difference in ETOPS between the 777 and A332. Wont QF have the same issue as VA did years ago with the longer flight times compared to the SAA A340?

watson374

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17 Aug 2012

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No, because the great circle route between JNB and PER is further north than those to MEL and SYD, so the flight will be about an hour longer, rather than three hours longer as VA's unsuccessful MEL-JNB route.

Grannular

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South Africans flight time shows as 11:10 on the A340. With Qantas saying 11hours for their A330, it looks like ETOPS isn't an issue.

melbtraveler

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Great news, although I Hope its operated by one of the tweeked A300-200's with an extra loo upfront :)

Samw

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20 Sep 2017

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Is this really good news? Surely it is going to push out SAA and then prices will rise. I'm flying from SYD to JNB via PER with SAA on Saturday because Qantas direct cost $500 more pp at the time of booking. I'd much rather fly Qantas of course but not at $500 more (for my family of 5)!

hutch

hutch

07 Oct 2012

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If SAA pull out, it would be because they are currently a basket case. There should be enough demand for 4 x weekly flight between Perth - Jo-burg in addition to SAA's flights (supported by feed on both ends).

The more capacity, the better for airfares.

Samw

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Should I be worried about my trip at the weekend? How much of a basket case are they?

hutch

hutch

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No you shouldn't be worried about your trip.

SAA is basket case because they are losing a ton of money and it doesn't look like that will change. However, they will likely continue to be supported by the SA Government.

MarkJohnSon Banned

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The point is that the extra capacity may only be short-term, until one competitor is eventually squeezed out. Capacity will then be no greater, or perhaps even lower than the status quo.

hutch

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That is assuming that there is no current unmet demand which will support extra services or QF doesn't reduce existing SYD-JNB services.

StudiodeKadent

StudiodeKadent

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Why would it push out SAA? SAA have A330-200s as well, and can also offer connecting opportunities via Virgin Australia.

Rooplal

Rooplal

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26 Oct 2017

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Great News, I used to go via Sydney and Dubai.

Qantas or Jetstar should fly to Mauritius.

Tonyfisicaro86

Tonyfisicaro86

01 Apr 2013

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Should be a PER-CPT so much better and it will allow a People to travel South Africa and and from Aus with Qantas and not needing to go back to Johberg

kimshep

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I agree entirely, tonyfisicaro86.

QF has flown the JNB market for years and it has taken a lot of time and effort to grow it slowly. A PER-CPT-PER route would introduce an entirely new route, an entirely new market (CPT) which is a 'world class' destination .. and open up Australian markets to a new African destination. It would also expand QF's brand and recognition in South Africa.

With the PER-JNB-PER route, QF will simply be 'mining' the same old market, one which they have flown in previous years.

JNB - same old, same old. CPT - now, that's a bit innovative .. and not a lot of risk, either.

QFcrew

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19 Nov 2012

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That was the original plan but CPT is about to run out of water and that may have a big impact on tourism to the area.

oruspicarous

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I’m guessing QF is waiting to see how the water crisis in Cape Town will affect tourism demand and so they’re happy to wait.

smit0847

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I agree that PER-CPT would have been nice to see instead. CPT is an extremely popular destination for Australians and there are no direct flights from Australia to CPT vs up to 3 daily flights to JNB in future (QF x 2 and SAA x 1). Surely CPT direct is an untapped, underserved market?

Timmy22bc

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18 Oct 2015

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Tony! Yes, nailed it! Seems like a wasted opportunity.

Trogdor

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11 Dec 2015

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Looks like Qantas' Perth mini-hub is beginning to pay dividends. More destination equals (hopefully) more traffic overall.

andrewan

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30 Oct 2014

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SYD to PER as an extra flight makes sense as adding PER as a stopover to JNB adds many extra hours to the direct route from SYD which flies almost due South.

It will also be good to have some price competition for flights to South Africa (although Qantas' SYD to JNB flights have become more competitive of late but still more expensive than SYD to LHR which is an extra 10 hours flying!.)

Qantas is a better product as I have not flown SAA for some time but was very unimpressed with the service offering and product.

signal

signal

25 Jan 2013

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The advantage in flying from SYD is that the choices of direction depending on the weather. Sometimes we would fly past South Aus and many times past South West Tas. I enjoy sometimes seeing ice burgs around halfway. From Perth it is head wind most of the time.

Returning is straight home.

Living in Tas I sometimes fly via Hong Kong . Longer in the air but saves flying to Syd the night before.

A couple of days in Hong Kong on return to relax is not bad.

 

Carrots

Carrots

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Great news but none the less still not ideal. I don’t understand why QF insist on arriving early evening. Completely kills trying to connect to flights to other parts of SA.

Samw

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20 Sep 2017

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Qantas timing may yet save SAA on the route as SAA arrive in JNB early morning. On this basis it seems like QF may offer true enhancement of choice rather than just be a play to squeeze out SAA

aklrunway

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I hope this starts in MEL like the QF9/10!

AT

AT

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Always great to see the QF network grow and more focus on Perth is great. What I'm struggling to get my head around is the lounge lotto at Perth. Can anyone explain why would PER-JNB use the domestic lounge and not the new International lounge? I know it's called a 'transit lounge' and the name is obvious but why have this concept at all ???

Ronster

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11 Apr 2018

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Qantas please split the flights between Johannesburg and Cape Town.

Eg 4 days to Jnb and 3 days per week to. Cape Town. You will make a killing as so many people fly via Dubai just to NOT fly SAA!

AJ Smith Perth

AJ Smith Perth

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Totally agree. Cape Town is a hugely desirable and relatively safe destination. I fly EK thru Dubai into Africa as the SAA product is not up to scratch and unreliable these days due to tech problems resulting in flight cancellations and long delays. Wont hurt to shake things up with some competition.

twkgill

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17 Jul 2015

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QF used to fly 747s from PER-JNB as a tag on from Sydney in the 90s once a week. They flew PER-JNB via Harare in Zimbabwe once weekly also - I flew this route once 20 odd years ago!

Samw

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20 Sep 2017

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Likewise my wife used to fly from Harare when she was an undergrad at UQ. Unfortunately qantas unlikely to reinstate Harare. They will not even sell tickets in Zimbabwe these days

ThePerthTrav

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Great to see Qantas caring about Perth once again.

Peter Gisborne

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This would provide opportunity for pax ex ADL with good connex via PER ? Also perhaps ex MEL & BNE as alt. to terminal change required in SYD?

JKH

JKH

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Might QF ever consider adding P/E class to their A330’s?

David

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I'd suggest 99% not.

AJ Smith Perth

AJ Smith Perth

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07 Mar 2018

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I wish - better still roll out more 787-9s. Et Voila PE!

Nick Sydney 2

Nick Sydney 2

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Great to create a WA hub.

Crika

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11 Apr 2018

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What a disgrace Qantas still not offering any international flights out of Adelaide but yet you have daily to doha,dubai, KL, singapore, out of ADL, but qantas doesnt seem to have any interest or cant make it work, will refuse to fly them whenver i Can!!!!

ThePerthTrav

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There isn't enough demand for passengers to fly to and from Adelaide for Qantas to provide international services. If there was, there would be more flights, and Qantas would have one or two international flights from Adelaide. Probably with 737s though.

Crika

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11 Apr 2018

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I dunno, i struggle to find a J ticket to doha or dubai and to singapore out of adelaide.

I don’t know... there seems to be demand on those flights.

hutch

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If Adelaide was the gold mine you are suggesting it is, we'd be seeing those carriers flying their premium high capacity products to Adelaide. That is not happening. Your individual experience, does not necessarily represent the market experience.

In any case, each of those other carriers flies you from Adelaide to their main hub. They can then fly you to numerous other places all over the globe. Qantas already flies you to its main hub, Sydney (in addition to its smaller hubs).

Crika

Crika

11 Apr 2018

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Lol @ goldmine, thats just facts.

How is it not a disgrace for the national carrier not to fly internationally out of the SA capital city that has over 1.3 mil population? If qantas brings the adl - sin route they would fill up the metal easily.

Samw

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This dynamic is fairly normal given the modern hub and spoke airline dynamic. British Airways has few regional intercontinental flights yet Qatar flies from 6 airports (I think)

DanV

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A full plane does not equal profit in the airline industry. QF may have likely found the Adelaide traffic is too "low yielding to support a SIN. Plus they don't have the right sized narrowbody aircraft (737) that can fly ADL-SIN without payload penalty and reasonable yields.

Maybe JQ's upcoming A321LRs can restore Int'l flights from ADL - SIN (connecting into the 3K hub and QF's LHR flight) for the QF group at reasonable yields?

Crika

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Good point DanV

hutch

hutch

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@Crika - it isn't a disgrace, because QF is a business that purpose is to make money. If you are so keen for an Aussie airline to fly out of Adelaide, get the SA government to bankroll an airline... it's supposedly easy money after all.

If we look at the dynamics of ADL-SIN. QF will be able to offer connections to London. Plus some Asian destinations on Jetstar and a few partners (KL, HKG, PVG). Singapore will be able offer connections throughout the globe on their own metal (which allows more control over schedule, better passenger experience and increased yield). Not to mention, the SA economy is not strong.

As their offering is weaker, QF would likely have to price aggressively to fill their planes. Why do it? Why use an asset, to fly a ADL-SIN, when you can make more money between stronger markets.

Crika

Crika

11 Apr 2018

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Why not do it? And why should the SA gov help them out? They where loosing money for years on a price war with virgin? That didnt make sense either but they still did it.

The SA economy is not too bad lot of new contracts coming in especially in space and military industry.

But no point in arguing like i said for the national carrier not to fly out of a city with 1.3million population it is a disgrace !

Samw

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20 Sep 2017

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Doesn’t the Q in Qantas stand for Queensland? Are they not the state carrier of Queensland rather than the national carrier? Surprised they even bother with a poxy outpost like Adelaide ;)

moecat

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Perhaps Qantas feel there is too much risk in ADL, due to the fact you cant keep the lights on? And when you do its the most expensive power in the world?

TheFreqFlyer

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05 Oct 2017

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@Crika, to be honest, I don't see what the obsession is with flights to Singapore, which sees so many services from Australia. Singapore airlines already flies from Adelaide to SIN, Qantas used to I believe, if they were to return then I think there would certainly be an overcapacity. Perhaps flights to Denpasar (Bali) or Phuket would make sense, but doubtful that Qantas would be interested in operating such routes from Adelaide.

DownSouth

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Airframes need to come from somewhere, less transcon inevitable if this route comes into place.

puppy79

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06 Dec 2017

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I have an idea for them and that is they can fly the earliest a330 ex melbourne over to perth domestically then use that aircraft to form the basis of this johannesburg service.connections should not be a real issue(i am from adelaide) although home to adelaide would this service make the last flight home connection or would overnighting in perth be a better option.if i was to go to south africa i am even willing to give SAA a go.anything is better than say a god awful transit time and paying mega bucks for the airport hotel on Singapore Airlines via Singapore.

JPMasters

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"However, eligible travellers would likely have to make do with Qantas' domestic business lounge at Perth's T4 terminal ahead of their flight as the newly-opened Perth International Transit Lounge is reserved for passengers on the Perth-London Boeing 787 service."

this doesn't make any sense

mannej

mannej

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It does as it is the current situation for lounge access at PER.

Rufus1

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04 Dec 2013

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Has that been confirmed or is this AusBT speculation? Given that those arrangements were made before this new service was announced, it's hardly surprising the access rules didn't refer to it.

Chris Chamberlin

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Regarding lounge access: this is based on Qantas' published rules which restrict the Transit Lounge to passengers departing on specific flight numbers only (as opposed to Qantas' other lounges which apply more general access rules, such as the international business class lounge in Sydney). Qantas could always choose to amend its published rules at a later date, but since it was announced, Qantas has been adamant that the Transit Lounge is a 'London-only' lounge, and isn't open to passengers flying to other destinations with Qantas such as Singapore or Auckland.

moecat

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I would imagine it would all be around times... it it was the same time as PER-LHR then they probably wouldn’t let the JNB passengers in the Transit lounge, however if its going to be empty then maybe they will..

David

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Rufus: lounge access not confirmed because route not confirmed, which is why we write " eligible travellers would likely have to make do..." (italics mine, for emphasis) rather than make an outright statement. However, given that other Qantas international flights apart from PER-LHR have to use the domestic lounges (see Chris' notes below) it's not a stretch to expect the same would apply here.

dm12

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08 Feb 2018

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I guess they'll have codeshare/oneworld links via Comair (BA franchise) to CPT and other destinations.

If it landed at 1745 as proposed, it should meet the 1840 Durban flight and the 1910 Capetown one, they might adjust that schedule of course. Comair connects to a few other destinations from JNB too.

Samw

Samw

20 Sep 2017

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I can see that the SAA PER-JNB flight was cancelled once in the last 4 months. (on 18th Jan). Does anyone know why? Does anyone know what they did with the pax affected?

Dunc

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30 Sep 2011

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The SA fights for QF are amongst it’s most profitable and busiest. Upwards of 30% of all passengers are going to CPT from AUS N vice a versa. Joyce has said CPT is one of there top routes for the 787 when available. Currently CPT is out of range east coast 747 to SA but not from PER but A330 can also do PER CPT! My money is on CPT a lot of internatioal airlines already only fly CPT and not JNB, the hell hole that it is and rife with corruption at immigration!

airbus

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12 Apr 2018

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PER CPT PER would be perfect as CPT is becoming the hub in South Africa for traffic. All the major carriers are either going in already or plans to. very interesting move. The times are not great , to me most of the day is lost coming to South Africa

tommulligan

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26 Feb 2015

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I hope that Qantas are going to fix up the Business class problem that they they have only 1 toilet for the entire cabin. They dole out pajamas but there is a perpetual queue for the solitary toot. Bad if you want to change into them but impossible when you want to change back into arrival clothes.

Good service but exceptional poor design and planning.

mattper

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12 Apr 2018

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A good alternative from Per to Cpt is Air Mauritius, although their schedules require stayovers in Mru. Apparently capturing increasing #'s of pax due to concerns around SAA's maintenance programs

hutch

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Congratulations to PER airport. Nothing quite like missing business opportunities by being completely inflexible and short-sighted.

GregXL

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Alternatively, Perth Airport achieved their objective of discouraging Qantas from running a seasonal service that may have affected the viability of the year-round SAA service. Possibly more to this than the media plays.

hutch

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If that was their objective, they have succeeded. However, in medium term will QF want to deploy more 787 capacity through PER to CDG/elsewhere if they can't use their terminal. And if SA goes under, will the market not just respond to fill that gap? So what has PER really gained?

moecat

moecat

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18 Feb 2015

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AUSBT can you get a partition started to lobby both the state government (although Mark is a weak premier and can't see past his nose) and the Airport... 100,000 signatories might get their atte

Traveller14

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A "partition?" That would mean PER and ADL had a wall between them. You may mean "petition." Agree however that Mark is a weak Premier of WA.

squeeowl

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04 Jun 2018

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Utterly disgraceful considering Perth Airport is currently facing a double digit percentage decline in international passengers. You would assume that other QF European services are off the table as well and as soon as QF has metal that can go direct from SYD/MEL-LHR we can no doubt kiss the PER-LHR service goodbye once more.

What makes this even worse is that the daily SAA service is rarely operating daily at the moment (more often 5-6 times a week), and I have no doubt that they would pull the pin as soon as this seasonal service commenced (or earlier considering their precarious financial position). It's a service that desperately needed competition as it is alarming how many people take massive detours via the middle east hubs or Mauritius just to avoid flying on SAA.

Packetman21

Packetman21

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Jul 2016

Total posts 108

Way to go Perth Airport... We hope you keep enjoying your decline in international passengers.

Red Cee

Red Cee

15 Feb 2018

Total posts 45

I can’t believe how short sighted the Perth Airport is. Common sense tells you tha ALL Qantas services should operate from terminal three.

JKH

JKH

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

23 Sep 2017

Total posts 131

PER Airport aligning itself with the dodo. ULR aircraft might well see it bypassed in future.

John Phelan

John Phelan

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Oct 2011

Total posts 322

That will also be the end of any plans to fly PER-CDG or to somewhere in Germany. Idiotic bureaucrats strike again. At least there should be no more whining from people in Perth about how QF doesn't provide them with sufficient flights on its own metal - now they can see who is to blame!!

Ronster

Ronster

11 Apr 2018

Total posts 3



Okay VIRGIN Australia, Ideal chance for you to start Perth - Cape Town route as you are anyways operating from T2!
Cape Town route should not impact your alliance with SAA as it is a different rout

Red Cee

Red Cee

15 Feb 2018

Total posts 45

This is a loose loose situation for Perth Airport, Perth and Western Australian residents, and many others. Perth Airport administration, how short sighted and narrow minded are you?

Jflyer

Jflyer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 Aug 2017

Total posts 14

Perth airport management have lots of nice animated you tube vids of their ideas but rather than doing they have just been talking.

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