The big switch: Qantas changes London stopover from Dubai to Singapore

By David Flynn, March 15 2018

TALKING POINT | It’s "goodbye" to Dubai and "hello again, old friend" to Singapore as Qantas next weekend ditches the Emirates hub and returns to Singapore as the stopover point for its Kangaroo Route to London.

The Gulf city will see its last Qantas flight on Saturday March 24 – almost five years to the day that the Qantas-Emirates alliance saw the long-standing Singapore stopover axed in favour of Dubai.

Most Australian business travellers prefer Singapore to Dubai, regardless of whether it’s for a two-hour pit-stop at the airport or a two-day stay to break their journey.

Over the years our readers have consistently voted for Singapore as their European stop-over of choice. When we held a reader poll in 2016, Singapore shot to the top with 46.5% of votes – representing almost every second reader – with Hong Kong coming in second at 26% and Dubai a distant third in the single-digit territory of just 9.2%.

So Qantas' change should be a winner among readers.

Yet we appreciate that some travellers have, on the whole, grown accustomed to that Dubai transit. While they may care little for the city itself, the timing of the flights does provide a better chance for sleeping on that 14 hour Dubai-Sydney leg).

And – crucial for first class passengers on the Airbus A380 – is the changed loungescape between Emirates' sprawling luxury first class lounge and the Qantas Singapore Lounge.

Comparing Emirates' flagship first class lounge to one of Qantas' business class lounges at an international outpost is an uneven playing field, of course, but all the same that's the situation which passengers will face.

Read: What will Qantas first class flyers get at the Singapore lounge?

But it's not just first class travellers who are raising the orange flag. Many frequent flyers – including Australian Business Traveller readers, as indicated in this Community discussion – are concerned that the Qantas Singapore lounge will simply be too small to cope with those superjumbo-loads of business class passengers, Platinum and Gold frequent flyers and Qantas Club passengers.

So, with the big change barely a week away, what's your thinking on Qantas' shift from Dubai back to Singapore and how will it affect your travels?

David
David

David Flynn

David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.

puppy79

puppy79

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

you do not have to be a genius to figure out why the passengers preferred Singapore over Dubai.safe to get around,great sightseeing and the shopping to name but a few things.

dimi

dimi

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

13 Jul 2012

Total posts 111

Well... Dubai is definitely safe to move around, clearly does not suffer from shortage of retail establishments and has quite a few things to see...

So what's the difference???

boghraty

boghraty

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

30 Jul 2017

Total posts 3

Disagree on all 3 counts. And the lounge situation isn't even within the same stratosphere. I'll still be booking EK metal out of Brisbane.

Alistarch

Alistarch

29 Aug 2017

Total posts 17

Hong Kong and Singapore... food, hotels, people, the city! What more do you need? The choice of Airline lounges in HK is much better too. When Qantas decided to fly to London via Dubai, I decided to fly with Qantas and Finnair via Singapore/ Hong Kong. I didn’t care about the extra stop over I’m Helsink, just meant another opportunity to explore a new city!


habui

habui

19 May 2015

Total posts 22

If the aim is getting a good sleep on the return to Sydney, the Singapore option is better. The flights leave LHR in the late evening, and going the old Dubai route meant an interruption after 6 or 7 hours. Your body clock feels like it's 4am and its a horrible time for sleep to be interrupted.

The Singapore route means that once you've departed LHR late at night, you can settle in to some solid sleep knowing that there's no stops for 13 hours.

Mightyreds

Mightyreds

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Feb 2015

Total posts 260

The move couldn’t come soon enough!!

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 524

Would have preferred HKG due to the FLounges there.

But then I wanted QF9/10 to go via SIN or HKG not PER and still be on the A380.

The 787 is a big downgrade for MEL based QF passengers.

Chris2304

Chris2304

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2013

Total posts 387

you still have the option of taking the a380 from MEL-SIN and then catch QF1

Covvers

Covvers

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

19 Jan 2018

Total posts 96

I agree. I think HKG is, everything considered, the best of the three options mentioned. Whilst SIN is definitely clean and functional, it is, in my view, somewhat sterile and lacking in the cultural depth of HKG. HKG also has far superior weather to SIN, which is a tepid, tropical tearsfest.

sanj747

sanj747

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

01 Nov 2016

Total posts 82

Yep agree with HK overall and the lounges. I would say in order of preference HK, SIN and then DXB.

puppy79

puppy79

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

the 787 via perth is mostly for business people or people who need to be in london urgently.i was just telling that to my brother the other day,he will if he has to go to london again stick with via hong kong(cathay)or jal via tokyo or going via singapore.the timings screw up your body clock.

FLX

FLX

10 Dec 2015

Total posts 179

@puppy79:

"the 787 via perth is mostly for business people or people who need to be in london urgently".

And those 2 traveler clusters are exactly why QF hv gone to the trouble of launching PER-LHR. These 2 clusters are the least price-sensitive but most time-sensitive among all traveler clusters in the Kangaroo route mkt.

It's easy to imagine leisure traveler clusters whom can afford the time to enjoy whatever superior food, sightseeing, shopping, culture, etc. @ their SIN, HKG and god forbid DXB layovers /stopovers are much further down AJ's priority list of things to do to improve RoI for QF....I already know this comment will be unpopular for the majority of volks here thus I'm expecting a lot of vote downs...

Bob Burgess

Bob Burgess

13 Sep 2016

Total posts 184

I much prefer via Singapore except for the lounge experience. Yes its not a fair comparison against Emirates first class lounge but it was Qantas choice to return to Singapore, I fly to Singapore with QF regularly and I have seen nothing to indicate any changes being made to handle the vast increase in passengers, the lounge is already very crowded at peak times as is, and there is really nothing to make a first class passenger feel like they are first class in that lounge.

jrfsp

jrfsp

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

04 Mar 2014

Total posts 111

You never know, they might get a roped off area....nothing says first class like a bit of rope....

hardytraveller

hardytraveller

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

23 Feb 2017

Total posts 9

Amazes me as a regular J paying passenger (my money) that the lounge experience takes up so much discussion here.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 395

I don’t mind going via Perth from Canberra and the stopover fees will be so much lower than Singapore for QF and one fewer (and faster) transfer experience for quit a few of us.

xtfer

xtfer

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

14 Mar 2017

Total posts 123

This is only going to work if the single daily QF flight to Perth connects with the London flight. Right now, the Canberra flight touches down 45 minutes after it has left...

boeingimgoing

boeingimgoing

26 Aug 2015

Total posts 8

Prefer to go via DXB. Timing on both sectors is good. Lounge in Singapore is going to be a challenge considering there are around 5-6 Qantas departures and other one world airlines leaving around the same time.

Dubai as a destination has changed and I recently stopped there for 2 days and found the place had changed since I was there 5 years ago. I found it to be largely more cosmopolitan and largely more interesting than before, although I would avoid stopping over in the summer months due to the extreme temperatures. I would’ve liked Qantas to offer the choice of DXB, SIN and PER to keep the options open, especially for those that still ;refer QF metal on the long sector into DXB and EK on shorter hops to Europe.

dm12

dm12

08 Feb 2018

Total posts 37

the QF departures "around the same time" are over a six hour period. More options are obviously less cost effective and would push airfares up. Having DXB as an overseas base cant be cheap

CBR boy

CBR boy

12 Feb 2015

Total posts 84

The other significant problem for QFFers who prefer to fly QF metal where possible is that flights to European destinations now require either a backtrack from QF1 into London or Emirates, Cathay or Finnair metal most of the way from Australia. When flying economy class on family holidays, Emirates is a dreadful comparison with the QF experience. Next economy trip to Europe is therefore with CX.

habui

habui

19 May 2015

Total posts 22

Understandably, some customers from the gay and Jewish communities never got comfortable with the Dubai routing.

Sure, the airport is safe enough for transit. But sometimes things go wrong such as a plane going tech or snowstorms in Europe, meaning that passengers may need to enter Dubai proper for a day or two.

tm_smile

tm_smile

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

12 Jun 2011

Total posts 100

Cos you know, Singapore is such a fabulous advocate for LGBTIQ rights...

jrfsp

jrfsp

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

04 Mar 2014

Total posts 111

I am looking forward to the return to Singapore, and at least the four major cities have two route options of going to Europe on QF metal all the way. And for ADL, CBR and DRW, brings bring one stop option on QF via PER with hopefully more european destinations to be added.

The SIN lounge will be busy, there is no doubt, but at least QF will be able to control standards which they couldn't at DXB, i I've never had a bad experience with the lounge staff in SIN, same cant be said for DXB where the lounge can resemble feeding time at the zoo. SIN is has less delays and issues with fog etc which is become a regular feature of DXB.

DXB could never offer the "almost home" feeling of SIN, and the familiarity of the transit.

FLX

FLX

10 Dec 2015

Total posts 179

@jrfsp:

"DXB could never offer the "almost home" feeling of SIN, and the familiarity of the transit."

In these 2 regards alone, I would imagine PER would logically & easily be superior to both DXB and SIN....

kimshep

kimshep

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

11 Oct 2014

Total posts 479

Whilst this change from DXB to SIN may be beneficial or preferred for many travellers, it still has some inherent failure points which are being ignored by many.

Think about why QF entered into the agreement with EK 5 years ago. Cost savings / better airfare pricing and improved access to European destinations were the two main criteria. Oh, and allying with your largest competitor.

For those venturing to Europe (other than the UK) we will now be resigned to either backtracking using QF/OW partners to get to destinations such as Greece, Italy, Turkey, Poland, Germany etc - not great when this can entail multiple additional hours of travel .. and adds additional cost. Further, for many QF passengers, the preference will then be to book with EK either on a QF codeshare basis or swing over totally EK permanently - which results in a loss or reduced revenue.

We all understand that QF has designs (eventually) to hopefully open PER-CDG and PER-FRA non-top services with further yet to be ordered B787-9's or possibly -10's. But how long will it be before this occurs?

To my way of thinking, it would be smart for QF to maintain the DXB rights .. and eventually to run a set daily SYD/MEL/BNE-DBX services on B787's which could feed into EK's European network. As the market increases in size over the next 5 years, this would preserve the SYD-SIN-LHR vv A380 route whilst allowing the [return to] Europe routes to develop incrementally over time.

Much of QF's plans for UK / Europe seem predicated on non-stop from PER to xxx which is fine for avoiding EK competition - but we are yet to see how successful that strategy is for LHR. Yes, it may work - but that doesn't guarantee that it will work for other cities in Europe such as CDG or FRA. I think the next few years are going to be particularly interesting.

habui

habui

19 May 2015

Total posts 22

There's also CX and JAL for 1-stop routes to a range of European destinations that don't require backtracking out of LHR.

sanj747

sanj747

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

01 Nov 2016

Total posts 82

I am a fan of Singapore and am happy with QF moving back there. This change ultimately provides more options and choices for us as customers. in saying that the lounge in Singapore is not a favourite spot to spend time. But in Changi there are many things to do and simply wandering around makes the time pass by very easily.

Red Cee

Red Cee

15 Feb 2018

Total posts 45

Kimshep, I agree with much of what you say. I would like to see QF introduce flights from PER to CDG, FRA and maybe FCO. It is easier and cheaper to connect from most Australian cities to PER, than to SYD. It makes a lot of sense to fly via Perth than Sydney. (I am in Brisbane, and it is around $100 to fly to LHR via Perth than Sydney). Not to mention shorter in travelling time.

Long term, I believe Qantas should have 787’s flying directly to DXB from PER, SYD, MEL and BNE to connect with other European cities.

JKH

JKH

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

23 Sep 2017

Total posts 127

Bring it on!! I’m in SIN right now and it’s so much better.

Joe

Joe

03 May 2013

Total posts 365

Not sure why everyone just buries their head in the sand about a couple of points:

1. Qantas doesn't offer a true 'First' product in the air so the downgrade in lounge at SIN is in keeping with that i.e. Qantas 'First' is just a premium business experience as is the SIN QF lounge-compared to competing first rate carriers, charging the same money for a true First product.

2. The Dubai stop over is much nicer than Changi lounge and connections wise to EU, Middle East and Africa are amazing - most with QF code share.

crwilkins

crwilkins

Qantas

02 May 2016

Total posts 35

Have to laugh at the comment in the article about business travelers and a “2 day stopover to break their journey”.....if only this luxury was true, who has time for that today - really transiting an airport who cares where it is when you just need to get where you’re going, and for someone who is Plat with QF and Diamond with DL can’t say I’ve ever had a 2 day stopover just to break my trip. Both SIN and DXB are wonderful cities and airports, obviously both very different cultures but doesn’t make one worse than the other in my view

FLX

FLX

10 Dec 2015

Total posts 179

@crwilkins:

"Have to laugh at the comment in the article about business travelers and a “2 day stopover to break their journey”.....if only this luxury was true, who has time for that today."

So true & realistic these days. If a biz traveler is making a 2days stopover @ wherever, it is for another 2days of work @ that city, not sightseeing, not shopping/gourmet dining, not soaking in the culture, etc. However, so many reader comments made here about the relative merits of these stopover cities are all aligned with the "2 day stopover to break their journey" ideal. To me, these hv a very leisure travel tone about it.

IMHO, if flying between AU and UK is for work, even a 5hrs layover /transit @ the stopover point is a luxury these days. Real biz travelers will seek a flight schedule that can reduce the layover to an absolute minimum or near the MCT(Minimum Connection Time).

brettepi

brettepi

10 Jul 2017

Total posts 32

wont the overall flying time be longer now that it goes via singapore? i thought it was a lot quicker to go via dubai

Nick Sydney 2

Nick Sydney 2

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

I am in the minority but have grown accustomed to the DXB stop and the superb lounges there. There is so much hot air on these boards about how great Changi is. It is and I'm a regular to SIN. However we are talking about a transit. Those on Gold/Plat, Sapphire/Emerald (likely business passengers) just do not have the luxury of a two day stop to meander through Singapore. The DXB lounges are just bigger and better than the QF Singapore Lounge. Also the loss of connectivity into Europe by flying into DXB on QF and than EK elsewhere. Cest la vie

aniljak

aniljak

15 Sep 2012

Total posts 84

How about an alternative to both Singapore and Dubai?

What about reviving the old QF9 route Melbourne - Bombay - London of the late 80s? Tap into the fast growing indian economy and huge Indian population in Melbourne.

Not sure why Bombay was dropped or when. Terminal in Bombay was shocking then but Indian airports are now modern and efficient!

KLM also flew 747-200 Melbourne Colombo Amsterdam although very heavily weight restrcicted in summer.

Whatever happened to the Qantas proposal for Australia- Shanghai - Europe of a few years ago?

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 918

Most issues with such routes come down 5th freedom rights and what is allowed under the air service agreements.

FLX

FLX

10 Dec 2015

Total posts 179

@aniljak:

"What about reviving the old QF9 route Melbourne - Bombay - London of the late 80s?"

If use BOM instead of SIN or DXB as stopover, it will help QF to immediately GET RID of all opportunities to connect LHR traffic to/fm other AU mkts except MEL itself. Brilliant network move to REDUCE geog mkt coverage & traffic feed.

"Tap into the fast growing indian economy"

Which is a grand but vague idea great for PR messaging. In reality for such QF9, it's really only about capturing traffic on MEL-BOM or BOM-LHR. MEL-BOM does not hv nonstop by anyone for ages so U can imagine the realistic mkt size. BOM-LON is a huge mkt but already populated by 3 competitors and U can bet more local upstarts will want in now that India airline industry dereg is finally a reality.

"...huge Indian population in Melbourne."

Which is great but obviously, not all of them are fm the BOM metro region. For these non-BOM folks in Melbourne, a MEL-BOM QF route is not particularly superior to the numerous 1stop services by MH, TG, SG, Scoot, AirAsia, Malindo/Batik, etc.to destinations across India...

"Not sure why Bombay was dropped or when."

Why:

MEL-BOM-LHR for QF9 worked in the late 80s because so many connecting hubs on the Kangaroo track today were too far to economically reach either MEL(e.g. fm DXB) or LHR(e.g. fm SIN) nonstop with the aircraft types existed back then. Naturally, this meant very few competitors can offer 1stop routing in the late 80s. Today, there must be @ least 2 dozens competitors all offering 1 stop MEL-London via their own hubs which offer them huge cost+scale+traffic feed advantage. BOM clearly was not a QF hub so MEL-BOM-LHR has no chance to survive in today's competition.

When:

Must be around the time when 744 or even 343 /772ER, types that can easily fly 14hrs nonstop, became abundant in the fleets of these competitors....circa mid to late 90s?

"Indian airports are now modern and efficient!"

Which has more relevance to pax users than airlines. Without traffic feed fm a QF or partner network, BOM is a pretty useless stopover for QF even if it's SkyTrax #1 airport in the world.

"Whatever happened to the Qantas proposal for Australia- Shanghai - Europe of a few years ago?"

Let's ignore the fact that PVG-Europe mkt is now over-saturated with so many competitors fighting. How successful do U think QF hv been in securing more slots fm PVG to support the Shanghai-Europe route segment given the hopelessly congested PVG?

TheFreqFlyer

TheFreqFlyer

05 Oct 2017

Total posts 35

@aniljak, Bombay (Mumbai) doesn't make much sense as a stopover destination nor does it attract non-Indian Australians. Bangkok however does. Can't make sense of Qantas' obsession with Singapore, they should really consider Bangkok, through which they used to offer onward flights to London until a couple of years ago. Bangkok is also more attractive to Australian travelers than Shanghai. Although there is now a 6-day visa-free option for Shanghai, you can't leave Shanghai or Zhejiang province, whereas you can get a 30-day visa waiver at Bangkok airport allowing travel throughout Thailand.

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 918

The only thing I liked about DXB was the Concourse A lounges. The rest of the airport was terrible.

Will have to see if the PER-LHR works, or if QF goes back to having a stop over somewhere after a year or so.

The QF SIN lounge is going to get even more insane then it has been. It currently serves 1 737 (PER), 1 787 (JQ MEL) and up to 5 A330 (1 BNE, 2 SYD, 2 MEL). When that becomes 1 737, 1 787, 3 A380 (SYD, MEL, LHR) and 3 A330 (SYD, MEL, BNE)...

The main thing I liked about SIN before the EK agreement was the old QF32 times (lunch time LHR departure, morning SIN arrival). Gave me a chance to go into the city for the day before getting a late afternoon/evening flight to wherever in Asia my next stop was, or a flight back home. But QF2 uses the evening LHR slot and arriving in SIN in the afternoon :(.
QF10, with the lunch time LHR slot, worked quite well into DXB, but the LHR-PER route just doesn't factor in to my travel plans. :(

Performa

Performa

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

26 Jul 2012

Total posts 29

Time will tell what pax prefer, adjustments will be inevitable, DXB is now a QF adjustment, PER may well too. Interestingly for EK to LGW it is their third most popular route into LGW , and now QR are returning to LGW with 16 weekly flights. SIN just does not have the connecting network that DXB or DOH has, and five years ago when QF used SIN as a hub, you could not fly direct as you can today into various Asian cities from MEL and SYD. I'm not sure that SIN is as important for those reasons?

Performa

Performa

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

26 Jul 2012

Total posts 29

Third most popular route from PER into UK

Dex

Dex

15 Mar 2018

Total posts 1

What about the people who have to travel to the Middle East only?

I understand that after QF switches to SIN, people who want to travel to DXB from SYD have only EK metal to fly on. Given than QFF privileges still apply because all EK flights are QF codeshared, but doesn't the SYD-DXB route have demand?

Will QF add a SYD-DXB only flight? Any updates on that

P.S. EK is adding another A380 to the SYD-DXB route, so clearly there's demand.

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 918

EK doesn't have much choice. They only have 777s and 380s. They are also able to spread demand for 140 destinations across a single connecting flight.

That EK is adding seats to AU-DXB to make up for QF pulling seats, thus allowing QF pax access to non LHR destinations in Europe while reducing seats to NZ, which QF is picking up, is no surprise and has little to do with demand.

Aportbuzz

Aportbuzz

28 Feb 2018

Total posts 2

Agree the change is welcome. Transiting DXB can be a challenge, especially for the elderly and incapacitated. Always a buzz flying into Changi.

puppy79

puppy79

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

The Change is well overdue.I have seen Ultimate Airport Dubai and the airport there is a maze to deal with.I have done the UK/Europe TRIP ONCE BEFORE albeit with Singapore Airlines via Singapore and it was way better.This time around I am on Qatar Airways to Budapest travelling through Doha and coming home from Munich same path.will be keen to see how that compares to Changi.

MarkJohnSon Banned

MarkJohnSon Banned

19 Jan 2018

Total posts 90

I'm usually the first one to praise QF... however, whilst SIN is certainly preferable to DXB, I'd much rather see them set up 'stop-over shop' in HKG. The lounges are far superior, the airport is just as efficient as SIN, and, most importantly, HKG is actually a place one may want to spend time in outside of the airport.

Sad!

Pushka

Pushka

31 Oct 2014

Total posts 3

I like the longer leg from Dubai to Australia, and much prefer the Lounges in Dubai as the rare time I’ve been in the Singapore lounge its been overcrowded, noisy and lots of kids just running free. Poor food choices. It will need to improve a lot for F passengers.

justindboyd

justindboyd

04 May 2014

Total posts 4

About time !!! Dubai is a dump and a repressive society

Zaps1971

Zaps1971

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 Aug 2014

Total posts 76

Ok we are talking about the new route, not about been GAY (nothing against Gays) but seriously you all know what the Middle Eastern feel about that..

Justinbinko

Justinbinko

American Airlines - AAdvantage

15 Jan 2015

Total posts 2

Singapore airport is a little outdated but very functional. Singapore lounge willl not cope - was there last week and imposible to find a seat. Also food is pretty average compared to EK first class lounge in DXB. Whilst Singapore is a brilliant stop over, getting to any European destination was easy from DXB now you’ll have to fly EK and not QF If your looking for that.

Lynda44

Lynda44

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

01 Feb 2018

Total posts 1

I'm happy for this change as vodafone does not have the $5 per day plan in Dubai and I was charged for data - wait for it - $380.00!!!!! to post my location on facebook. I travel via Dubai this week and won't even turn my phone on. I trael back via Singapore which is part of the $5 per day plan, so bring it on!

crosscourt

crosscourt

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer - Chairmans Lounge

01 Sep 2011

Total posts 347

No more of that clinical over priced city, Dubai, and its cold soulless F lounge and an airport that I don't find nice at all. Welcome back Singapore.

Robertybob

Robertybob

20 Dec 2017

Total posts 13

Let's remember a couple of things. Qantas will still offer its customers DXB via codeshare for those going to Europe at odd times of day or to secondary EU cities. But DXB is too close to Europe to offer a full sleeping leg for its breakfast arrivals into London (ie QF1), but the legs are perfect for lunchtime arrivals into LHR (ie the soon-to-be ex-QF9 and EK flights out of MEL and SYD late at night). QF via SIN will offer the best chance to sleep into Europe (the new QF1), and with some re-timings it could offer good one-stop links from all Australian secondary cities. QF via PER offers a good new option for a lunchtime arrival into Europe, and with better timings down the track will also offer more one-stop connections from ADL, BNE and even SYD. All the while QFFs can still book on codeshare via DXB, albeit without the upgrade ability. It adds up to a win-win-win for flyer choice in my opinion. If the PER hub takes off and BNE to Paris and SYD to Frankfurt are added soon the QF network will offer great customer flexibility without crippling QF with the costs of its old network where SIN and HKG were hubs.

Merry

Merry

07 Dec 2016

Total posts 28

Ecstatic! For women, Dubai was a complete pain. Nothing wrong with QF's current Lounge in Changi, but it will not take Qantas long to secure a lounge for First Class/ Platinum to ease crowding.

antkleve

antkleve

American Airlines - AAdvantage

15 Feb 2013

Total posts 40

It's not just the LGBT thing in Dubai. Any place where you can be banged up without trial for years on end for any relatively minor infractions should be avoided like the plague. I even heard a story about a guy who was sent to jail because somebody took offence to a breast cancer awareness shirt that he was wearing when he was transiting through DXB.

Nick Sydney 2

Nick Sydney 2

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

Getting banged up for years without trial. Bit like those banged up in camps on Nauru ....?

Alaninperth

Alaninperth

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

16 Mar 2018

Total posts 1

What if like me you have a Qantas booking for May that goes through Dubai on my return to Perth from London and also goes through Dubai on the Singapore London - will this change to the new arrangements?

billposters

billposters

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

16 Jun 2017

Total posts 5

Based in Brisbane and never fly to London/Europe, only to SE Asia so this is good for me. The A380 is a nice option to get to Singapore. For my sake I hope that QF won't start retiming QF 35 and QF 51 to link up to the London flight. Pre-2013 this made it a real pain to connect intra-Asia, as it often meant an overnight stop.

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 524

QF35 is the A380 flight and isn't being retimed for a good connection time to QF1. Even if they did decide to eventually they'd likely switch the timing with the A330 flight that offers a good connection time to the SIN flight. So there will be choices.

wewa

wewa

05 Oct 2015

Total posts 4

This is all will happen again and again. Earlier it was Bahrain now it is DXB going out. When the QF/BA partnership was terminated QF married EK and said many things and lots of publicity was given saying that was thee thing forever. QF even stopped Frankfurt and said will carry passengers to DXB and the EK world of europe was thee thing as passengers can travel easily out of DXB. So now DXB is dropped means EK onwards has not paid off.

QF going to start Paris again good.

QF must fly to few more European cities for sure with the new aircraft B787.

For QF1/2 and QF9/10 singapore is the best no doubt.

Nick Sydney 2

Nick Sydney 2

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

There are some very precious folk on the board or folk who simply have not travelled. Certainly the UAE has laws that are repressive in our eyes. However what about the death penalty that Singapore has. Same for the USA. These breach human rights somewhere and yet we think nothing of travelling to both. The reaction to the switch to SIN is a bit OTT. Unless stopping for a day or two we are talking about a pit stop for 120 minutes to take fuel and food on board. Changi is magnificent as is DXB. Do i go to either for the shopping? No. Straight to the lounge. Freshen up and onward.

Crane62

Crane62

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

16 Mar 2018

Total posts 2

I am surely many of you have covered this already, however, whilst I do like Singapore as a hub, the problem to me is the total lack of Europe destinations being restricted to London only, if you want to stay true to QF hardware. Dubai has been an amazing pivot point allowing us to pretty much get into any major city in Europe. To a point the 5 year diversion to Dubai has made Emirates even stronger, as many loyal QF patrons have been exposed to the more lavish pointy part of the Emirates fleet. No doubt QF will provide code shared flights via Dubai to their clients, which will further cement the passenger-Emirates relationship but will also remove any upgrade options as upgrades are not enabled on non-QF hardware.

Emirates has got the domination down pat even giving Qatar and in particular Etihad a major challenge.

The Singapore QF lounges will be great and surely QF would have done an extensive study like in LA to establish what capacity they need. It is difficult to compare Emirates lounges with the QF ones.....just a different style all together. QF is far more modern with a very unique design edge and Emirates is very heavy, glitzy and nearly dare I say old fashion.

VZ1_60

VZ1_60

QFF

03 Sep 2014

Total posts 11

I think the Dubai route for a day flight to Europe ex Perth is a better experience. Whilst is a 6.00am start, you can have a full day experience on the flight, short changeover, then fly on the most places in Europe arriving early evening, a good sleep that night refreshed for the next day and in the timezone straight away.

The new route means a day flight to Singapore, then an extended wait, then a night flight (assuming it will be ex Singapore midnight or thereabouts) getting into western Eurpoe 1st thing in the morning. A long day ......

Cap'nDave

Cap'nDave

16 Mar 2017

Total posts 5

Will this apply to London to Melbourne flights also without having to reach Melbourne via Perth or Sydney?
Having Melbourne as first destination now necessary when shipping a dog as a 10 day quarantine is mandatory (even after lengthy anti rabies preparation in UK) in Mickleham 18klms North of Tullamarine and of course the non stop London to Perth is out of the question for an animal anyway.

worldwanderer

worldwanderer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

13 Jan 2017

Total posts 68

Been thru DBX twice. Once with a stopover, once in transit.

Resolved never to do it again.

Huge walking distances, insufficient showers, extremely rude bureaucracy at immigration, soulless city, uncertain and inconsistent application of law, women treated like trash.

The last couple years went thru HKG each time, a much better experience.

The change back to SIN gives me another acceptable option.

Can I point out to all those giving the route a downer with lounge commentary - the flight experience is 5-6 times longer than most transits. The on board experience is far more important to me, the lounge a bonus.

aniljak

aniljak

15 Sep 2012

Total posts 84

There are a couple of things people are forgetting here as to why Singapore is so popular

1) Singapore has been voted favorite airport consistently for many years whilst Dubai is well down the list!

2) 80 % of passengers are flying economy and dont use lounges!

3) Singapore is both a business and tourist destination for Australians whilst Dubai has little of both

4) Singapore has far less congestion than Dubai leading to less delays and diversions

5) Singapore does not require a long range aircraft for nonstop service from Australia

6)Quick efficient and polite immigration and customs in Singapore

Johnny9

Johnny9

05 Aug 2017

Total posts 14

I don’t understand the irrational unjustified fuss about the SIN lounge.

Flying business to EU I’d prefer direct isle access, privacy seat and an inflight bar any time over the outdated Skybed II on the QF A380. I’d think that the comfort for 20h+ in mid-air would be more important to most travelers than a 2h transit in an overcrowded SIN lounge.

I’m flying both to SIN and EU - and as much as I like SIN as an airport, flying from AUS to Central Europe I’d prefer QR or EK(QF ticket) any day ( both in J and Y) for comfort, convenience (only 1stop, no backtrack via horrendous LHR) and time reasons

puppy79

puppy79

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

the only real advantage with Dubai is for people flying with EK from places within europe or the uk straight through to adelaide,perth,melbourne,sydney and brisbane and are not starting in london.i would rather fly via dubai although singapore is my preferred stopover of choice if flying straight through and be home the next day the following evening.

Dr Al

Dr Al

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

07 Mar 2017

Total posts 19

Have to say I am very happy with the move back to SIN. After many years of transit in Dubai being the only QF option I am pleased that now I am offered both. QF codeshare via DXB (at least I hope there will still be on the ex ADL flights!

Sin is definitely my preferred option for a stopover, if time allows.


Personally I wish that QF and Qatar would get into bed. IMHO the Qatar service has far outshone EK. Doha has great European connections.

I have previously chosen to accept the lower status credits and points to take QR over a QF codeshare on EK due to price,timing, and service.

AT

AT

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Sep 2012

Total posts 248

Which ever way you look at it I still think it’s a shame that QF is losing a fairly major global city from their online network.

cambriamarsh

cambriamarsh

QF

02 Nov 2012

Total posts 36

Refer tje other thread on QP lounge access in DXB. It will be interesting to see if QP members in Y retain lounge access in DXB. If not that will be very unpopular given the EK tie up is all about getting QF passengers one stop access to more of Europe.

EKdevotee

EKdevotee

Emirates Airlines - Skywards

05 Jun 2017

Total posts 29

I for one love DXB. I worked there for 11 years and I have to say that all the armchair experts out there about safety/lgbt treatment/treatment of women do not know the place. Armchair experts. Yes Emiratis can sometimes be aloof but I worked with many of them and I find them to be good people with attributes that many of we Australians should aspire to.

Contrary to misguided belief expressed here, there are many Australian businesses thriving in the UAE, particularly in Dubai. Official stats show that Australians are a significant and growing proportion of tourists visiting the Emirates.

On a personal note, I much prefer DXB terminal 3 concourses to the shabby and dated offering in Singapore, where I often stop on my way to the UAE, Africa, EU and USA. The only really good part of Changi is the Emirates lounge.

Also I'm delighted that ultra shabby and rude Qantas will no longer pass through Dubai. As an airline that has consistently disappointed me in the past, I will never step inside Q metal again. And I have many a belly laugh when I read the constant carping about poor Qantas behaviour by self-confessed Q frequent flyers. Wake up people!

Yes Emirates is certainly not perfect. Some things definitely need improvement. CR in particular, but Qantas is equally woeful there.

The best thing about Qantas no longer using Dubai is that there will be less QF plats cluttering up the superb F lounges in concourses A and B. Another punishment of loyal and misguided Qantas FFs who will only fly QF metal. Good luck I say. I'm EK platinum and the treatment EK gives its premium passengers is much better than the poor Qantas effort. I certainly don't miss what Qantas does to its misguidedly loyal customers

puppy79

puppy79

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

What this as codeshares via dubai with emirates gave us was one stop access to a lot of europe that required backtracking in the old days due to qantas quietly dropping the ports during the late eighties and early nineties.will be missed.i look forward to reading up on any reviews on the qf9/qf10 via perth to see how that stacks up with any singapore,dubai or other intermediate stops on the way to the continent as it's a trip one of the admins at my old high school has done quite a bit over the years.

puppy79

puppy79

06 Dec 2017

Total posts 112

great move but for this to work is to maybe reinstate the adelaide to singapore flights.bring back the soon to be axed QF5/QF6 services from Sydney to hub via ADL on their way to Singapore say four to five times a week to link onto the QF1.via Perth is not for everyone and unless you are one of those people who works a full day to say 3pm and does that then choose a QATAR OR EMIRATES late night service out via DUBAI OR DOHA to London due to prior commitments to be over there the following day mid afternoon,than time this dependent on time of year leaving between 1:30pm and 3pm ADL-SIN connecting with a great connection to the UK.Currently QR/EK aside the existing other connections are just terrible.8 to 10 hours in transit in HKG,KUL,SIN with all of their competitors is not pleasant even if one can get a transit hotel any price.

heathcor

heathcor

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Oct 2012

Total posts 16

Has anyone has flown this week on recently changed QF1 route via SGN to LHR and how was the Qantas lounge? was it as crowded as the concerns raised on here by some? Did they provide a segregated area for First Class; or direct them to another One World lounge? flying in two weeks and keen to see some reviews... cheers

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