Qantas ditches Dubai, returns A380 to Sydney-Singapore-London

By David Flynn, August 31 2017

Qantas will axe Dubai from its route map and return to Singapore as the stopover for flights from Sydney to London.

From March 25 2018, the flagship QF1/QF2 Sydney-London Airbus A380 service will run via Singapore instead of Dubai, replacing one of the two daily Sydney-Singapore A330 flights.

QF1 will depart Sydney at 3.55pm to reach Singapore at 10.25pm, and then continue to London shortly before midnight for a 6.50am arrival.

(The current daily QF81/QF82 Sydney–Singapore A330 service will continue to run as usual.)

Also from 25 March 2018, the daily Qantas Melbourne-Singapore flight QF35/QF36 will be upgraded to an A380, while QF37/QF38 will shift to a daily A330 service.

As previously announced, Qantas' existing Melbourne-Dubai-London service is being replaced by the new Boeing 787 service flying Melbourne-Perth-London.

The dramatic changes come as Qantas enters the second five years of its partnership with Emirates.

Although describing the first five years of the Qantas-Emirates alliance as "a great success," Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce said "our partnership has evolved to a point where Qantas no longer needs to fly its own aircraft through Dubai, and that means we can redirect some of our A380 flying into Singapore and meet the strong demand we’re seeing in Asia."

“Improvements in aircraft technology mean the Qantas network will eventually feature a handful of direct routes between Australia and Europe, but this will never overtake the sheer number of destinations served by Emirates and that’s why Dubai will remain an important hub for our customers.”

In a statement issued to media this morning, Qantas maintained that "customer demand for flights between Australia and Dubai will remain well served by the 77 weekly services that Emirates operates from Adelaide, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney."

Qantas abandoned its long-held and popular 'Singapore stopover' to London in April 2013 as part of the airlines' alliance with Emirates.

The return of the Airbus A380 onto the Sydney-Singapore-London and Melbourne-Singapore routes will also see first class sold on the legs to and from Singapore, alongside premium economy – which is not featured on the smaller Airbus A330s.

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Joshb

Joshb

Qantas - QFF Platinum

20 Mar 2012

Total posts 211

Thank the lord.

elchriss0

elchriss0

Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards

13 Jan 2015

Total posts 578

HALLELUJAH Praise be to Jesus

johnhyde

johnhyde

12 Dec 2016

Total posts 6

QF1 traditionally was Sydney-Bangkok-London. Bangkok should be the premier hub in Asia for QANTAS

traveller90

traveller90

29 Jan 2012

Total posts 108

A move for the better ´Dubai was over before it began!

Ryan K

Ryan K

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

30 May 2013

Total posts 291

Brilliant news! This will be received well by passengers who, on the whole, enjoyed an Asian stop over much more than the Middle East. Good move, Qantas!

wdeguara

wdeguara

Etihad - Etihad Guest

06 Apr 2012

Total posts 88

When I first saw the heading of this article I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't April Fools Day.   

S

S

13 Sep 2013

Total posts 104

Did exactly the same thing!! I did not see this one coming

turbojezz

turbojezz

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

20 Mar 2014

Total posts 125

Finally! this is going to make another huge difference to the further sucess of this airline!

simiguelito47

simiguelito47

Asiana Airlines - Asiana Club

09 Feb 2017

Total posts 41

Should go SYD-HKG-LHR to tap the Aus-China market; their 1W friends at CX sound like they sure need help with some through traffic. Oh well; you win some, you lose some.

johnnypc67

johnnypc67

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 90

Well there used to be MELBOURNE- HONG KONG- LONDON

drsimon50

drsimon50

qantas

10 Oct 2013

Total posts 113

wow - no more blingy dubai

John Phelan

John Phelan

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28 Oct 2011

Total posts 317

People can still go via DXB if they want (on a QF codeshare flight on EK) - especially if their onward connection is to continental Europe.

Mightyreds

Mightyreds

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09 Feb 2015

Total posts 254

Bloody fantastic news. Made my day.

aniljak

aniljak

15 Sep 2012

Total posts 84

What's  going on! Management  reshuffle  and suddenly there are big changes like this! Have they finally put somebody in charge who is actually  listening to passengers! Will there be connecting flights from places like Adelaide, Townsville  and even Canberra?

Markspark

Markspark

16 Dec 2016

Total posts 28

It's the same guy in charge buddy. It just takes time to rebuild an airline and make it one of the most profitable. Maybe now some of the armchair experts on this site will cut Qantas a break

FrequentFlyer

FrequentFlyer

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20 Mar 2012

Total posts 204

Didn't think I'd see this for some time into the future! Excellent news, much prefer Changi to Dubai.

Alex Moris

Alex Moris

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10 Jan 2017

Total posts 39

Great success..?!? For which airline? I think it's been a great success for Emirates who based on this alliance opened up routes to operate over 90 A380 flights a week between Australia and Dubai whereas Qantas operate only 14! 

Emirates A380 hard products and inflight service offerings beyond superior to Qantas. I think I'd still fly with the airline that offers more bang for the buck!

Joe

Joe

03 May 2013

Total posts 359

Have to agree. Until QF upgrade J seating and hopefully start serving substantial food...not "small" and "main" plate concept the better. QF cartering has never won any awards officially or otherwise in recent past.

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

Hopefully MEL-SIN is timed to connect with SIN-LHR. Would be great to be able to fly F to LHR on QF metal from MEL still. With separate flight numbers for different legs this would also mean being able to pick and choose which leg to apply for an upgrade on.

blingwad

blingwad

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04 Jun 2015

Total posts 67

Looks like a 5 or 6 hour layover if you took QF35 first and connected to QF1. QF37 will have shorter connection but no first.

Newbie7

Newbie7

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04 Dec 2012

Total posts 37

mviy, my thoughts exactly! No one was mentioning this but I felt this was a huge thumbs up for Melbourne pax - now have the option of a brand new B787 J/Y or for those wanting F can still get via one-stop in SIN!

Hopefully they re-time it so the connection isn't as long as blingwad has found though. I still think this is the main reason why the A380 is being deployed on MEL-SIN. All in all, sounds like the A380s will be used more efficiently henceforth. Was always scratching my head how they have such long downtimes on either end in LAX and LHR (until at least the MEL-DXB-LHR flight switched things up a while back). Though I guess LAX does have Qantas' maintenance hanger.

Luke49

Luke49

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17 Aug 2017

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OMG Qantas is listening to passengers.

Pitty because I like Changi airport so much I chose Kris Flyer and Velocity over QF a few years ago.

But it will prove very popular with passengers.

BLAMEX

BLAMEX

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

25 May 2017

Total posts 53

That is fantastic news. I have not traveled on QF to Europe after they made the change to Dubai. Reverting back to Singapore is a very wise move. That combined with the refurbished A380 business class product will bring my business back to Qantas for long hall and Europe flights. 

boeingimgoing

boeingimgoing

26 Aug 2015

Total posts 8

I still think that QF will potentially look at sending a B787 through DXB to a European destination. Interesting times ahead! 

petrhsr

petrhsr

10 Sep 2012

Total posts 151

I'm not so sure, given the number of seats that EK puts on between DXB and Australia every day. 

Grannular

Grannular

31 Mar 2014

Total posts 287

Sounds like this has been in the works for a while and lines up well with the recent fleet utilisation questions. This announcement completes the puzzle

David69

David69

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10 Jul 2017

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Bacon for breaky

ajstubbs

ajstubbs

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Mar 2016

Total posts 169

YEEEEEES! That is fantastic news. So many great options for Aus travellers. Presumably it will be possible to book the A380 SIN service ex-MEL and link up with QF1 or you can go the PER route. Brilliant by QF.

Patricka340

Patricka340

28 May 2016

Total posts 128

I think this shows QF's long term strategy regarding Europe flights. They are happy to funnel pax who are flying to 'secondary' European cities onto EK flights and keep the 'prestige' passengers for themselves (E.G. putting London bound pax on the MEL-PER-LHR flights and SYD-SIN-LHR flights).

I think this adds some merit to the proposed east coast to Europe nonstop services that QF has been recently touting. In the long term, I think we will see the MEL/SYD-LHR flights and potentially, flights such as PER-CDG/FCO/FRA. QF will become less reliant on EK for the more 'desirable' European cities whilst still maintaining the partnership so cities which cannot be served profitably can still be booked on a QF ticket.

Exciting times for Qantas and will be interesting to see QF's plans for Europe and the EK partnership.

FLX1

FLX1

31 Mar 2016

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@Patricka340:

"They are happy to funnel pax who are flying to 'secondary' European cities onto EK flights and keep the 'prestige' passengers for themselves..."

This is the best comment so far in rationally understanding the current & still ongoing QF longhaul mkt strategy in a nutshell.

It's exactly the philosophical backbone of AJ's strategy all along to earlier repair and now rebuild QF longhaul profitability+growth.

AWA2602

AWA2602

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29 Jul 2013

Total posts 207

Yay!! Someone else who gets it! This is precisely why the EK partnership was formed. It was always Joyce's plan/vision that once the metal can operate non-stop services to major EU hubs from the east coast, EK will become the codeshare provider for services to secondary EU cities via DXB.

spasquarelli

spasquarelli

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15 Aug 2014

Total posts 15

Fabulous news now all we need is some QF tin out of BNE. Will definitely go via Sydney in the meantime.

John Phelan

John Phelan

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28 Oct 2011

Total posts 317

You can fly BNE-SIN on QF51 then connect to the new QF1 SIN-LHR.

wdeguara

wdeguara

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06 Apr 2012

Total posts 88

I wonder whether the QF51/QF52 (BNE<>SIN) flight will connect up with the new a380 service in Singapore ?  If so, that would be good news at it will finally give BNE folks a path to fly with Qantas International to London without having to travel via SYD.

Markspark

Markspark

16 Dec 2016

Total posts 28

They just announced 4 787s based in Bne so I'd say that is some 'tin'

bodez

bodez

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16 Apr 2013

Total posts 29

I suppose that 5 years of sales data was enough to prove that they should move back to Singapore. With the a330s freed up, I wonder if Perth will get an upgrade and even Adelaide might see a red tail return? 

ChrisCh

ChrisCh

24 Apr 2012

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We're currently on the phone with Alan Joyce and Gareth Evans, and the short answer for Adelaide-Singapore is 'no', as Adelaide passengers can fly Emirates from Adelaide to London (and Europe) via Dubai, and with Qantas from Adelaide to London via Perth.

Qantas has tipped using its newly-spare Airbus A330 jet for further expansion in Asia, although the specific route is yet to be announced.

AT

AT

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14 Sep 2012

Total posts 245

YAAAAAAAAY. YAAAAAAAAAY. YAAAAAAAY. !!! Brilliant brilliant brilliant!!

Fonga

Fonga

12 Feb 2014

Total posts 227

This is the best Qantas could make of the onslaught from the ME premium carriers. Emirates remains a compelling partnership because of its frequency, reach and quality. But with the A330 product into Asia up to speed, returning the daily A380 to London out of Singapore makes good use of the asset and existing network. Qantas customers have great choice. Good work Alan.

AT

AT

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14 Sep 2012

Total posts 245

And also Singapore is such a commercial hub of Asia  and the SG-LHR-SG route is so important for corporate travel connecting to Australia. 

Theresnormissin

Theresnormissin

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14 Oct 2016

Total posts 59

Any idea how long it will be until the Qantas booking system will be updated to reflect this announcement?

Ozark

Ozark

31 Aug 2017

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I think it is done...

tarmac

tarmac

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06 Oct 2015

Total posts 22

Maybe wishful thinking, but hope they're looking at opening a F lounge in SIN.

jf80

jf80

17 Nov 2016

Total posts 13

The flights have been loaded.

QF35 MEL/SIN 1255/1755  380

QF37 MEL/SIN 1715/2225  332


QF36 SIN/MEL 1955/0615+1  380

QF38 SIN/MEL 2350/0850+1  332

QF1 SYD/SIN 1655/2215  380

QF1 SINB/LHR 2355/0650+1 380

QF2 LHR/SIN 2115/1725+1 380

QF2 SIN/LHR 1930/0610+1 380

Covo95

Covo95

30 Jul 2015

Total posts 113

poor utilisation of the A380. it will be sitting in London all day 

Grannular

Grannular

31 Mar 2014

Total posts 287

Interesting that the Melb flight to line up with QF1 is an A332. Which means for PE all the way through, you have a long transit time in Singapore. 

Or of course go via Perth

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 913

I just looked at those SIN-MEL times and thought that would work well for my holiday, but had to remind myself that this is from end of next March, not this coming November. :(

Pericon9

Pericon9

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13 Jun 2013

Total posts 22

Six hour transit in SIN ex MEL if we want to stick with an A380, are they serious?  Or am I reading this wrong?  No way, Jose!

GoldenClub

GoldenClub

15 Jan 2013

Total posts 37

Great news, both for those who want PE seats for a trip to Asia and those who want to go all the way to Europe with QF! 

Also sends the right messages to our Asian neighbours that we are serious about sharing the economic benefits of Asian growth as a producer and a recipient of Asian tourism. 

nixjet

nixjet

03 Jan 2013

Total posts 47

An excellent strategy by QF. 

Build a solid relationship with EK and provide an extensive European network and keep the QF code on all those flights via DXB.

Return the focus to Asia on QF (which I am sure will carry EK codes as well) metal offering full-service competitive product to counter SQ and CX.

My predication is we wll see a much closer arrangement along the lines of QF, EK and MH to further extend a full service product further into Asia.

MRYJDrake

MRYJDrake

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31 Oct 2016

Total posts 69

And lets not pretend, EK's gonna be happy being able to sell those SIN-LHR tickets as well, 

ChrisCh

ChrisCh

24 Apr 2012

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Emirates doesn't have the traffic rights to sell codeshares on Qantas' Singapore-London (or Perth-London) flights, so these won't carry EK codes.

Skywards members can still book these legs as reward flights using Skywards miles, however.

aggie57

aggie57

QF

04 Apr 2014

Total posts 148

Add my vote to the "hooray's"!! 

JTG

JTG

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11 Jul 2014

Total posts 38

While I do understand why people prefer SIN as a stopover to DXB, I see this as a downgrade of service for those who travel to Singapore for business. 

First, the A380 is a downgrade in business class hard product. While Qantas do plan on upgrading the A380's this wont be fully complete until two and a half to three years after this rerouting starts. 

Secondly, I travel to Singapore  from Sydney (J class) 10-12 times a year with most of my tickets bought in the week before I travel. People travelling to Europe tend to purchase tickets further in advance than those travelling to Asia. So there will be less availability of J class tickets for those solely going to Singapore, thus increasing the price. 

From a corporate perspective I believe the significant winners in this announcement are Singapore Airlines 

deany83

deany83

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21 Jul 2014

Total posts 133

The second Sydney – Singapore daily service will continue to be operated by an A330 aircraft. If you want to fly the business suite you can fly the business suite.

lazblue

lazblue

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20 May 2013

Total posts 17

You can still fly QF81/82 SYD<>SIN on the A330 with the new business seats until all A380s are upgraded....  ;)

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

JTG imo the A380 is a much better plane to fly on than the A330/787. So long as the pricing and points/status credits earn is good I expect I'll choose to fly MEL-SIN-LHR return on the A380.

Nick Sydney 2

Nick Sydney 2

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22 Jul 2015

Total posts 223

I may be in the minority but had no issues going through Dubai. The lounges there were perfectly good and a nice break to the journey. Singapore in fact meets my business needs better so not unhappy with the change.  

philc

philc

31 Aug 2017

Total posts 3

You bloody ripper  QANTAS  amended wish list now is: This move may allow an A330 from Perth To Sing and redeploy the 737 8  which has proved the market is there  despite the LCC's out of Perth .Not to mention a chance to grow the belly loads for freight out of Perth .Hooray     for QANTAS

starship

starship

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08 Aug 2012

Total posts 7

Thanks Jf80 for the update. Interesting that for Melbourne based passengers, if you want to catch the A380 all the way to LHR and if you can afford to/redeem points to fly in F, the only way to do it is with a 6 hour stop in SIN (QF35/QF1). The better connection in SIN (1hr 30) is QF37 but that's on the 332. I wonder if they may change to 380 on QF37 eventually, or does this not work for aircraft utilisation?

watson374

watson374

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17 Aug 2012

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Ideally, you'd have the A380 from MEL connect tightly to QF1/2, but you can't do that because QF2 leaves SIN for SYD before QF1 arrives in SIN from SYD, which makes it impossible as QF36 (connecting off QF2) leaves SIN before QF37 (connecting to QF1) arrives.

Pericon9

Pericon9

Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer

13 Jun 2013

Total posts 22

Will the MEL services connect with QF 1/2?  The idea of having to fly on the 787 is a shocker so hopefully we can get through connex on A380.

watson374

watson374

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17 Aug 2012

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MEL services will connect.

flychrisfly

flychrisfly

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Jun 2011

Total posts 75

No separate F lounge in SIN :(

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

Yes that is a downside. Hopefully that gets addressed but it doesn't sound likely at this stage.

Dredgy

Dredgy

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02 Apr 2017

Total posts 115

While I appreciate an A380 to Singapore, and that Changi is a far superior airport to Dubai, I will continue to fly through the Middle East on trips to Europe.

I like getting off the long haul flight to Dubai/Abu Dhabi/Doha and knowing that I've only got, at most, 6 hours to my final destination instead of transiting in Asia and knowing I'm not even halfway there after one long haul flight.

And my final destination is never London, so there's that too.

Ryan K

Ryan K

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30 May 2013

Total posts 291

Except on your return trip when you stop in the Middle East knowing your trip has only just started...

GBRGB

GBRGB

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21 Jan 2014

Total posts 208

Great move by QF , This will also allow pax from North Australia,  CNS, DRW the option of flying to SIN and then connecting with a QF flight without having to fly hours south south before flying back North, 

markathome

markathome

05 Jul 2017

Total posts 4

I'm surprised at all the enthusiasm. Previously you could fly:

QF434 (MEL-SYD) - 1:00 to 2:25 PM
QF1 (SYD-DXB) - 3:50 PM to 0:25 AM
QF9 (DXB-LHR) - 9:05 AM to 2:23 PM

These 'daylight' flights where you have a stop-over during the local sleeping time (in this case in Dubai) and arrive at your destination in the afternoon (when hotel check-in is available) have been a huge draw for me and I've paid a premium for them.

But with these new arrangements it seems all Qantas flights will arrive early morning in LHR and any stop-overs will be far removed from the GMT time zone.

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

Whilst I'd like an evening departure out of MEL and evening arrival back into MEL, I would much prefer a stopover in SIN than DXB regardless of the time of day of the stopover.

aggie57

aggie57

QF

04 Apr 2014

Total posts 148

It'll be interesting to see whether Melbourne customers heading to London prefer to transit through Singapore or Perth. My bet is Singapore. 

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

I for one would prefer to go via SIN.


As my travel to LHR is self-funded I'm quite sensitive to:
1. Price

2. Points and SC earned

3. Possibility of upgrade from J to F (should also have the flow on affect of making upgrades to J more likely)

4. Timing


Flights would have to have better timing going via PER, a much better price or be the only option for award seats for me to consider it, I think.

I love flying the A380 and with QF pulling out of MEL-DXB-LHR I thought my days of flying the QF A380 were numbered. Now, I  think I'll be flying on the QF A380 for years to come.

timothyshears

timothyshears

26 Jul 2017

Total posts 8

I wonder what services there will be for first class passengers? I.E. first class lounge? 

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

It would be nice to see a new QF First Class lounge in SIN but the trend these days is for QF to move to combined lounges as they've done in BNE.

If QF doesn't address the lounge situation in SIN I expect they'll get a lot of complaints about overcrowding with all the extra capacity going in.

One would expect its likely that one off lounge invitations won't get accepted in SIN because of the crowding.

MelbFlyer

MelbFlyer

Air New Zealand - Airpoints

23 May 2013

Total posts 37

Great news for MEL! Here we were thinking QF was ready to abandon F from us altogether haha.

Steve Napier

Steve Napier

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

17 Mar 2017

Total posts 12

Great news! Now we can fly BDB-BNE-SIN-LHR, all on QF metal, instead of having to go via MEL or SYD.
Less QFF pts & SC, but we get to avoid SYD.

Dc08

Dc08

31 Aug 2017

Total posts 5

Any plans for qf A380 out of BNE?

Mightyreds

Mightyreds

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Feb 2015

Total posts 254

I very much doubt it. BNE will become a B787 hub for QF in addition to the A330's currently flying.

marto

marto

20 Sep 2015

Total posts 3

I wonder how this will affect the loads on the PER-LHR services. Now passengers have one stop to LHR via SIN from MEL,SYD,BNE (and PER), all on QF metal.

Simon852

Simon852

04 May 2016

Total posts 3

Great news, by qf! However has the over all capacity into LHR Been striped back? Also, the QF commitment to premium economy is only on large jets and the upcoming 787. Is there a reason for this? 

ajstubbs

ajstubbs

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Mar 2016

Total posts 169

Temporarily yes, with one service reduced from A380 to B787 but with the A350s coming and one or two A380s with route capacity, that may not be for long. Or that capacity could switch to alternate EU routes via PER or SIN or even direct if the ULR A350 comes to the party. Exciting possibilites ahead.

injadavidsan

injadavidsan

30 Mar 2015

Total posts 14

Great news, much as I like the 1st class Dubai experience I enjoy the QF lounge in Singapore as the staff were great, hope they still remember me!

Trogdor

Trogdor

11 Dec 2015

Total posts 68

It's good to see Qantas' long term plans coming together. 

Combined with the news that QF will base 4 787s in Brisbane, there's going to be a lot of interesting changes and new routes in the coming months

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 913

Without new confirmed orders, with what is already coming and what is known to be leaving, I don't see much in the way of new routes.

aturnbull

aturnbull

16 Feb 2016

Total posts 30

There must be some more re-timing coming.

BNE pax should be able to have a faster outbound connection to LHR via either SIN or PER, but at the moment the fastest options still go via SYD or MEL.

 

QF651 with its current 1115 departure ex BNE should be pushed back 2.5hrs to enable a better connection onto the LHR service.  It should also get upgauged to the 332 to ensure lie flat business. Simarly on the return leg, the domestic connection should be brought forward an hour an a half to help facilitate faster transfers through PER.

 

In fact, the timings from ADL and CBR should also be looked at to PER in order to facilitate better connections.  Especially ADL as currently there is a 2.5hr stop in PER and the flight over there is on a Y class 717!

 

 

schuey

schuey

09 May 2013

Total posts 8

Wonderful news and hopefully it's a long time before Singapore becomes redundant due to the ULR planes being introduced in the fleet.

Is this an admission by Joyce that the Dubai strategy and subsequent tie up with Emirates wasn't all it was sold to us as? I think that has to be a conclusion of sorts as the 'partnership' itself hasn't fundamentally changed since it's creation. Perhaps Qantas is enough in the black again to not rely so much on Emirates. 

Either way it's still great news and the only thing missing now is for those in Adelaide, or Darwin, to have a Singapore stopover whilst still flying Qantas all the way. Jetstar just doesn't cut it from Darwin.

mhh

mhh

31 Aug 2017

Total posts 4

Don't worry about us Adelaide folk. We get a great schedule through DXB on EK tin with evening departures and lunchtime arrivals into Europe. With wifi, shower, decent service and better cabins. :)

highflyer

highflyer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2012

Total posts 296

This was unexpected, but seems to be a good business decision.  Give premium passengers the choice of flying to London via Singapore or Perth, presumedly being higher yield pax, and passengers who have other destinations within europe to Connect with EK (presumedly more leisure cost conscience pax).  The one thing that i can't quite seem to line up in this "Asian" strategy is a strategic partner which is based out of Singapore?  It definitely isn't SQ, and with the new norm flying Hub to Hub , will Qantas try to find a partner to funnel pax onto other parts of Asia, or will they expand with more flights flying direct to destinations in Asia?  If i was flying to parts of asia for leisure or business, i'd definitely choose to fly direct with QF, rather than transiting singapore onto another carrier...(and don't even get me started with connections onto JQ).

dnoble

dnoble

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

27 Jun 2013

Total posts 11

Great news! Although I do think EK offer a better cabin experience on their A380 over QF

afloskar

afloskar

10 Aug 2015

Total posts 130

The spare A330 may be used to start a route from Brisbane, as a rumour is known that they may be crunching the numbers on a new route from BNE by end of this year, early next year. Hopefully this rumour is true and BNE get an additional A330 international service!

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 913

They are running a seasonal SYD-KIX early next year. Likely using an A330 freed up by domestic 787 flying between MEL-LAX runs (the KIX flights start after arrival of 3rd 787 and end when PER-LHR starts).

If those KIX flights prove successful, it's possible any spare A330 from these changes will be used for a full time KIX route.

Shoudy Chen

Shoudy Chen

Qantas

13 Jun 2015

Total posts 143

Good to see QF bring back Singapore as the stopover point for Sydney-London flights. Wowee! Made my day feel happy!

hakkinen5

hakkinen5

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

20 Aug 2014

Total posts 93

Melbourne to Seoul with the spare A330? They would be the only carrier on the route.

Sonnenberg

Sonnenberg

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

25 Apr 2017

Total posts 6

Yes and for a good reason. Route clearly isn't viable otherwise there would already be a service.

AlanF

AlanF

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Dec 2015

Total posts 3

Great news! Much prefer to stopover in Singapore.

FLX1

FLX1

31 Mar 2016

Total posts 644

No surprise re many folks here all believe this new QF move re Kangaroo route stopover relocation has to be all about 'QF finally listening to pax(or more accurately, ausbt.com.au readers') preference' for QF to abandon the DXB/EK hell hole and re-embrace the SIN heaven.

After 90 comments though, I'm surprised nobody mentioned the possibility that this move can be @ least partly due to a request to QF initiated by EK/Tim Clark which goes something like this in a network strategy meeting of this JV(Timing is right as this JV is almost due for regulatory approval to renew):

1.  Transfer all current QF flyings via DXB to EK so we can eliminate all of our current Kangaroo route/capacity duplication over DXB and improve load factor/network efficiency.

2.  We can expand our JV mkt footprint(e.g. frequency & connectivity) if QF Kangaroo ops return to SIN stopover to reinforce BOTH existing QF AND EK networks to/fm SIN...e.g. becomes possible for BNE/MEL-SIN by EK(In addition to the same by QF) to connect with SIN-LHR by QF.

3.  EK is running into a bit of problem lately re decreasing profitability and worst of all, over-capacity/reducing load factor elsewhere in our network(e.g. U.S.).  We need to find more new work for our legions of giant 380 & 77W so pls help by letting us do all flying to/fm DXB in our JV.

Of course as pointed out to me by editors here numerous time,  ausbt.com.au is more about pax/traveller experience/aspirations.  So the mainstream idea of QF making this move solely because of pax preference is a lot more romantic for readers here to buy than cold strategic biz/mkt  calculations....

ajstubbs

ajstubbs

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

15 Mar 2016

Total posts 169

I think you're ignoring the fact that most people don't actually mind why it has been done, they're just happy it has happened. Logic suggests there is an element of QF realising consumers commonly prefer SIN.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 388

FLX 1 a completely unremarkable observation. To that add the fact Dubai is stretched at the seams while Singapore is looking for more business and probably offered a very good price to get two A380s a day to come by, while a single via Dubai flight would very inefficient. Passenger preference comes into it but not a lot. It is the nature of a hub and efficiencies from it. The efficiencies of Dubai have shifted now to Singapore.

QbynRaider

QbynRaider

31 Aug 2017

Total posts 2

SYD KUL hopefully...

johnnypc67

johnnypc67

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 90

Could be a good route Australia- KL, I think MAS are more open to a JV now a days...remember Q Red premium airline the QF looked at years ago

Ross

Ross

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 May 2014

Total posts 90

I hope we will still be able to get QF Classic Rewards on EK DXB-LHR vv.

I have used 3 in F this year, there is always lots of availability even only a few days out.

Dr Al

Dr Al

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

07 Mar 2017

Total posts 19

YES!  Fantastic news. 

Will now really love my trips Adl-Syd-sin-Lhr. 

Then Lhr-Dxb-ADL.  

Soooo happy!

Bonzer Mike

Bonzer Mike

Singapore Airlines - The PPS Club

03 Jul 2017

Total posts 17

Not sure why you are all excited about QF changing back to go via singapore.

when they originaly changed via Dubai i switched from QF to SQ and found SQ so far superior than QF i will never fly QF again you cannot beat SQ or Changi.

AT

AT

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Sep 2012

Total posts 245

I typically fly both QF and SQ and I like the difference between the two, they are both my favourite airlines. I enjoy the best of both....But boy am I rippin' happy to see QF A380 army right back where it always belonged SYD/MEL SIN LON !!!!

philc

philc

31 Aug 2017

Total posts 3

You touch on the old 80/20 rule =Need to work 80% harder only to get 20% of your lost market back

johnnypc67

johnnypc67

28 Nov 2012

Total posts 90

This is great news. Looking forward to the new direct routes to London and Paris from Melbs and Brissy via Perth and an A380 from Melbs to Singapore conecting to QF1...choices to suit most everyone

glenntee

glenntee

31 Aug 2017

Total posts 1

Great news. Just found out because return flight has changed. Wish it was starting earlier for outward flight in December. Singapore lounge is so much better than Emirates in Dubai.

FLX1

FLX1

31 Mar 2016

Total posts 644

@Bonzer Mike:

"...you cannot beat SQ or Changi."

May not beat them but a few can already match them.  And if we expand our minds @ least a little, I can think of @ least 3 ways to partly beat SQ or Changi already available or soon will be:

1.  Others can beat the high prices of SQ and/or @ the SIN connecting hub.

2.  By-pass SIN or similar hubs altogether and go nonstop to/fm wherever.

3.  For Trans-Pcf travel, SQ and/or SIN offer far less efficient transport than AU/NZ, N.American and a range of N.E.Asian  carries+hubs.

rowwdy

rowwdy

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

21 Mar 2013

Total posts 135

QF site is a little vague about whether Qantas Club member access remains at DXB. Hoping this is maintained, and also that the AY code-share also remains. Both quite useful when using QF for the smaller European ports. 

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

If it is it would only be if you are on a QF flight number.

henrus

henrus

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

23 Oct 2013

Total posts 714

Chances are QF Club access at Dubai will end.

Generally, Qantas Club members get access to the same partner lounge as Business Class travelers at airports where Qantas flies their own metal and when the member is booked on a QF flight number.

When Qantas pulls out of Dubai they'll no longer fly their own aircraft to Dubai and hence I think it'll end. Obviously, there are some exceptions to which lounges and when QF club members can access lounges but for the most part it only seems to be at airports where Qantas operates to/from.

akronflyer

akronflyer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

29 Jul 2014

Total posts 97

Could be  more chance  of getting points upgrades  with the 380 although  ironically  I prefer the 330

Never been through Dubai  but think that Changi  is my all time favourite  as far as Airportd go

petrhsr

petrhsr

10 Sep 2012

Total posts 151

Another positive reaction here.  I can start flying QF to London again!  Also looking forward to the F refresh on the 388.

UpUpAndAway

UpUpAndAway

QF

11 Jul 2014

Total posts 279

WoW Never saw that coming, I have never ever flown into Dubai

david2202

david2202

Qantas

19 Jun 2015

Total posts 18

You havent missed anything - its a huge shopping centre with no bacon

ashnic7g

ashnic7g

Qatar Airways

04 Apr 2014

Total posts 26

 "our partnership has evolved to a point where Qantas no longer needs to fly its own aircraft through Dubai..."

Normally airline partnerships would evolve to a point where you start flying to the hub of a partner e.g. AA operating LAXSYD.

Q. Would Qantas rather carry a customer all the way to London then disperse on a partner, or sell the same customer all the way on EK?

This was a marriage of convenience that has become a little inconvenient now that QF has its mojo back.

flyingisthebest

flyingisthebest

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 May 2014

Total posts 20

I hope QF use a spare A330 for BNE-KUL, they'd be the only ones offering the route non-stop.... 

Jflyer

Jflyer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 Aug 2017

Total posts 14

I'm the bean counters at Qantas have done their figures, but I'm wondering if this may have an effect on the yet to commence 787-9 MEL-PER-LHR 

Russjking

Russjking

12 Aug 2017

Total posts 75

Provided the QF business class is the upgraded version BNE/SIN/LHR I'll be happy with the A330/A380 arrangement. 

Up to now I've avoided QF as I want an individual seat, not one shared with a stranger. I've also avoided BA because of their poor record on terminal mechanical issues and ongoing strike risks. 

All QF need to do now is have a website that thinks logically and works properly. It tries the patience of a saint compared to rivals. 

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

The A330 has the upgraded Business Class, I think. The A380 won't be refurbished for a while yet. The refurbishment starts mid-2019.

On the current A380 (currently 2-2-2 configuration, will be 1-2-1 after refresh) configuration if you have a centre aisle seat you don't have to climb over anyone to get out and if flying on a cash ticket you can request a points upgrade to First.

Speak

Speak

30 Dec 2014

Total posts 14

For those wondering, I suspect that the 6 hour wait in SIN for an all-A380 MEL-SIN-LHR connection will remain, as if it were moved to the later MEL-SIN flight the A380 would not make it back to MEL the next morning in time to perform MEL-LAX (keeping in mind that SIN and LAX are the only QF A380 destinations out of MEL). I wouldn't hold your breath for this to change either, as I can't see them comprimising MEL-LAX just to provide a better connection to LHR over SIN when QF clearly want their MEL-LHR passengers to fly over PER.

patrickk

patrickk

Qantas

19 Apr 2012

Total posts 388

Speak the later A330 is the direct connection flight to QF2 so there is no hanging around. The A380 is for Singapore and other Asia connections.

david2202

david2202

Qantas

19 Jun 2015

Total posts 18

Meanwhile Perth Sing flyers get the aging 737's! Appalling discrimination and will keep flyign SQ till QF put A330's on this route. 

philc

philc

31 Aug 2017

Total posts 3

You are not the only one  mate .  Perhaps a Per   BKK A330 would also help  Albeit compete with the TG 787 8   However heaps of belly load perishable freight here that QF is missing out on  not only the self loading cargo

Grum217

Grum217

31 Jan 2017

Total posts 9

Good move by QF! Care factor.....zero on missing out on a Dubai!

longwayaway

longwayaway

27 Aug 2017

Total posts 12

SIN is dullsvile compared with HKG. I’m sorry but I simply prefer Cathay. I Skype any Cathay landline number and they don’t charge for a human to help unlike QF. They accept any currency at the exchange rate of the day. I am a OneWorld member and all my miles go to QF as I don’t want them broken down to the different/respective airlines. The last time I flew QF was MEL-AKL. I made the booking after which they changed the schedules to a choice of 2 of the most un-Godly hours. I seriously considered using Air New Zealand for this sensibly timed sector at a whopping extra J Class cost of AUD$950.00+/-. As an Australian, I want to be overseas when going overseas ASAP. Qantas delays that enjoyment.

Mightyreds

Mightyreds

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

09 Feb 2015

Total posts 254

Well it's lucky you have a choice to choose whichever airline and city you like. Competition is great isn't it?

josephjohn8484

josephjohn8484

17 Jan 2013

Total posts 17

Hello - forgive my ignorance, but why wouldnt the return leg depart London at, say, 3pm, and with a quick re-fuel in Singapore, would arrive in Sydney just before the 11pm curfew.

Better aircraft utilisation and business passengers could (almost) get a full days work in London and make it home late at night rather than first thing the next morning?

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

The problem with that is that if the plane is late they could get to Australia too late to land before the curfew. It would also mean having an A380 on the ground for a long time in Australia.

A late evening arrival works a lot better flying the A380 to MEL. Sadly QF9 won't be on the A380 from late March next year so that option is lost.

CBR boy

CBR boy

12 Feb 2015

Total posts 83

Slots at LHR are as scarce as hens' teeth. QF have pretty limited options about timing at LHR.

Himeno

Himeno

12 Dec 2012

Total posts 913

LHR is slot controlled, and unlike most other slot controlled airports, LHR slots are paid for airline assets with some slots, depending on their times, having been sold for millions per slot.

Qantas owns 4 slot pairs at LHR. They use 2 for their current services and lease the other 2 to BA. They are 2x morning arrival, 2x lunch time departure, 2x lunch time arrival and 2x evening departure.

Qantas scheduling need to account for the LHR slot times, the flight time back to AU and in the case of some AU airports (like SYD), curfews.

crwilkins

crwilkins

Qantas

02 May 2016

Total posts 34

I doubt AJ made this decision due to pax preference, probably more about applying pressure on SQ and CX while they're down, QF can now fly alongside side them, over them and around them and what QF can't take they'll funnel through EK into Europe etc, seems a smart move to me and all about strategy and economics, the fact many like SIN over DXB is a side benefit

Joe

Joe

03 May 2013

Total posts 359

Chris what happens to F and Plat/Plat 1 pax in SIN now lounge wise. Are they still forced to use the shared QF 'pub' (in every sense of the word)? Does BA lounge remain an option for QF F / plat pax....do they have a seperate F lounge in Changi?

Who exactly will QF partner with out of SIN considering this is a further targeted move into Asia...jetstar Asia or.....?

ChrisCh

ChrisCh

24 Apr 2012

Total posts 2917

Lounge access in Singapore will follow the current rules. Qantas partners with Jetstar Asia and Finnair out of Singapore, plus its other Oneworld partners.

JBH

JBH

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

01 May 2012

Total posts 117

Very good news especially those of us who are based in SG.  Please QF just stick that A330 back on the PER-SIN route and make my year...

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

Looks like one can easily get Business on the MEL A380 to SIN connecting to SIN-LHR, but coming home there doesn't seem to be any discount Business available on the dates I've looked at flying LHR to SIN connecting to the A380 flying SIN to MEL which is pretty disappointing.

So may end up needing to do MEL-SIN-LHR-SIN-SYD-MEL to get best value flying to LHR via SIN on QF even though the stop in SYD on the way back is a bit of a nuisance with the bus transfer experience between the international and domestic terminals.

Packetman21

Packetman21

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

28 Jul 2016

Total posts 108

Awesome! QF has their own lounge in Singapore which is much more contempory than bling :)

Notso Swift

Notso Swift

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

06 Oct 2016

Total posts 99

That is a great development
I do agree that lounge is going to struggle, it is an excellent product, but it is already packed with 3 A330's leaving within an hour, swap one of those for a 380... with a lot more premium seats

Bafe

Bafe

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

23 Nov 2016

Total posts 10

If we book Qantas (but fly code-share Emirates) will there be any change to the status points etc?

oruspicarous

oruspicarous

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

18 Jun 2015

Total posts 60

I'm shocked.... WHAT?!

DavidNZ

DavidNZ

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

01 Sep 2017

Total posts 1

I wonder if the MEL - SIN flight will connect with the SIN-LHR?

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

It will. You can see the option when you book. However if you want the A380 for MEL-SIN you'll need a 6 hour stop in SIN. On the way to LHR the A330 has the better connection timing. I'll probably go on the A380 service.

With the flight back to Australia. I can't find Business Sale seats connecting from QF2 to the A380 service from SIN-MEL (the connection time is good) on any of the dates I've searched. So MEL-SIN-LHR-SIN-MEL on the A380 costs about $1,000 more than MEL-SIN-LHR-PER-MEL or MEL-SIN-LHR-SIN-SYD-MEL.

KephIzzard

KephIzzard

02 Dec 2015

Total posts 1

Interestingly the BNE-SIN-LHR gets you less than half the status credits than BNE-PER-LHR.

 Although I've only checked Business & PE...........

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

I don't think QF has added the points and SCs to their calculations for the SIN-LHR leg yet. Look at just BNE-SIN and you'll probably find the earn rate is showing the same as for BNE-SIN-LHR. It'll be fixed, the question is when.

livejon

livejon

12 Jan 2016

Total posts 13

ADL based, hoping for QF ADL-SIN and more options to LHR. The EK 777s are tired and the seats are hard. Then there's the tarmac bus ride in Dubai. That said, I won't look forward to the 737 PER-ADL after 17 hours in from LHR on QF9. May still use EK to get to CDG and the rest of Europe in one stop. I like SQ but I'm locked into OW and QF. Hope ADL is next for that A330!

mewettjohn

mewettjohn

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 Jun 2015

Total posts 16

Praise the Lord, I'm going to throw a party.

heathcor

heathcor

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

14 Oct 2012

Total posts 16

Qantas - well hopefully they reinstate a qantas MEL-BKK...  going via sydney or a jetstar connection in SIN is a pain for regular travellers...  

mviy

mviy

05 May 2016

Total posts 522

There are other routes that some would like reinstated from MEL too e.g. MEL-SFO.

romaau

romaau

20 Feb 2012

Total posts 66

I never understood why Darwin couldn't be a hub. You can now reach Europe from it and most planes fly over it anyway. Surely having an Austrlian port has its benefits?

KinHo

KinHo

03 Sep 2017

Total posts 51

The answer to that would be because Darwin doesn't have the passenger capacity to justify as a hub. As a hub the airline is hoping to get the passenger load on vacant seats both for empty seats going into the hub or vacated seats as passengers disembarking at the hub and not going onward with the aircraft's final destination. 

This would be one reason that sectors MEL-SIN and SIN-MEL will operate on smaller aircraft so that passengers going on to LHR will join the A380 and fill up these seats. 

In the case of Darwin hub, it loses out to PER. Which will be used for the MEL-PER-LHR in the new B787. 

Daveyb

Daveyb

18 Aug 2017

Total posts 5

This is great news! Hopfully we'll see MEL-PVG or MEL-BKK with the spare A330

triumph8

triumph8

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

05 Oct 2015

Total posts 43

Whilst i applaud the change how can abandoning most of your market to another carrier be good business?

SInce the dubai change i have had to fly several other airlines that are infinitely better than qantas eg Singapore, now i prefer them, for a start they serve real food, not th eneil perry nonsense.

Joyce is and always will be a dill of the highest order.

KinHo

KinHo

03 Sep 2017

Total posts 51

I understand this forum is mainly for business class passengers but let's touch on the EY class a little....

I've done some calculations and based on a full capacity of the A380, the total airfare of EY class seats is about another 50% more to that of the total J class. Therefore with that, I feel some service improvements should be considered for EY class for QF. 

I have been avoiding flying QF ever since my 2006 HKG-PER which was the most uncomfortable ever. Plus the cabin crew doesn't seem to care much. 

However I had to go QF in 2016 for MEL-LAX-MEL, and was hoping for things to be better. Nope, not much improvement. Out of the 4 meals, only 1 was ok. Despite the marketing of larger meals, it just doesn't cut it, and was inedible. Breakfast's scrambled eggs was like mash potatoes. Wrote in with a complaint "No point for larger meal when it's inedible, and it means more wastage..." 

When I asked the cabin crew about no warm towels being handed out, the reason given was that it's unhealthy for the crew to handle. Seems like a win-win for QF and crew. Cost savings and less work. While EK and SQ, and some other airlines still serves warm towels. What more F and J class still get their warm towels, so what part of "unhealthy" doesn't apply to these classes here?

I used to be very proud of QF, but not anymore and somewhat feel embarrassed that out flying kangaroo is no longer up to the standards of the elite top airlines. I am ever hopeful in hoping that QF will come out of its rut and shine with flying colours in all aspects of its services. And a competitive airfare pricing. 

I know that there are good and bad experiences by varied passengers, but QF should strive for more consistency that's rated highly and at a good commendable service and product. 

Still waiting..... to be a proud QF customer again. 

KinHo

KinHo

03 Sep 2017

Total posts 51

The proposed reinstating QF1 & QF2 via East Asia is great. A few days stopover in any of these cities SIN, KUL, BKK, or HKG is a better option. 

Just hope that this will be a sign of more good flight routes by QF. To me the company lose most of its passengers to other airlines was due to its airfare and inflight service combination, where it couldn't match other airlines. Passengers are happy to pay a budget airline fare for the type of expected service. But not when paying a lot more and yet get substandard service comparing to other premium airlines. 

When flying in F or J class, the service is definetely much better compared to EY. So when a certain route is deemed unprofitable, I'm quite sure it's not based mainly on the number of F and J class capacity load. 

QF, please have a heart for the EY passengers. 

kanishkabakmi

kanishkabakmi

26 Jun 2015

Total posts 6

Questions now - when QF started EK partnership and started flying via DXB QF stopped its frankfurt QF5 too and said QF is trasfering majority of the european traffic on to EK via DXB. So now what is going to happen to those QF customers who wants to get to other european cities except London.

QF going back to Singapore is history coming back. SIN was there even before BKK. Good old days with B747's QF went SYD/SIN/BAH/LON Then SYD/SIN/LON as SIN has been a major hub For QF for a long time than BKK.


highflyer

highflyer

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

10 Apr 2012

Total posts 296

Even though Qantas is moving back to Singapore they are still keeping their partnership with EK. So your choice will be to still fly via Dubai but just on EK metal codeshare with QF, or go via Singapore and London, and possibly another OneWorld alliance connection.

Travelwell

Travelwell

Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer

26 Oct 2017

Total posts 71

Yesss.!! Out with the Cold Bling buildings and back with the Warm Legendary Asian service at Changi.

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